.380 ACP Coming To DayZ! [Torchia Reddit]

[Katana67 2907]

"...we're adding 380 Auto. Baikal made a Makarov pistol in 380 and there was a version of the RAK in that caliber too..." ~ Chris Torchia

 

http://www.reddit.com/user/Scubaman3D

 

This is neat! Although, I'm not particularly seeing the utility in adding yet another pistol round (when we desperately, in my opinion, need a dedicated "hunting" cartridge and one or two more rifle/assault rifle cartridges). Plus, I don't find many of the typical weapons in .380 ACP all that interesting. But the more the merrier.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Katana67

[Etherious 907]

 

 

From reddit. Also the possible confirmation of the "Makarov" in the form of the Baikal model.

What is a 380 auto? :o and Yea, for Makarov type of pistol! ^-^ Also, it's not really just a couple lines of code in the CFG. You would have to rewrite the weapon itself to use 9mm, then change it's mechanics around usign the 9mm, and etc...

[gibonez 3633]

What is a 380 auto? :o and Yea, for Makarov type of pistol! ^-^ Also, it's not really just a couple lines of code in the CFG. You would have to rewrite the weapon itself to use 9mm, then change it's mechanics around usign the 9mm, and etc...

 

A popular small handgun round that is available in alot of small conceal carry handguns and some unique machine guns such as the mac11.

[Katana67 2907]

Threads need merging.

[gibonez 3633]

Threads need merging.

 

Yea you beat me to it.

[nl 986]

380? I don't even bother now with the 9mm when I can have the 357 magnum or 45 ACP (FNX preferred over 1911) let alone 380...never touch the 22 either, what point is there to it to use the low calibres unless it's all you can find?

Edited June 27, 2014 by SAK

[Etherious 907]

A popular small handgun round that is available in alot of small conceal carry handguns and some unique machine guns such as the mac11.

Thx, Gibonez.

[gibonez 3633]

380? I don't even bother now with the 9mm when I can have the 357 magnum or 45 ACP (FNX preferred over 1911) let alone 380...never touch the 22 either, what point is there to it to use the low calibres unless it's all you can find?

 

I have no problem finding ammo for any gun at the moment. Adding 1 more caliber does not magically make it hard to find ammo. It is insanely easy to find huge amounts of ammo for any of the guns.

 

 

The .380 opens the doors for some of the most iconic guns of the 20th century though.

 

Vz 64

 

Mac11

 

Walther PPK

[nl 986]

I have no problem finding ammo for any gun at the moment. Adding 1 more caliber does not magically make it hard to find ammo. It is insanely easy to find huge amounts of ammo for any of the guns.

 

 

The .380 opens the doors for some of the most iconic guns of the 20th century though.

 

Vz 64

 

Mac11

 

Walther PPK

 

In general I don't like the focus on weapons to be honest. My (!) DAYZ is not about a multitude of weapons or fire power. All I need is 1 weapon to kill a bad guy at about 100 metres (or yards) or closer and to hunt animals. The SKS seems fine in that role. More diversity in weapons just seems to put the focus on pvp imho and not on survival, where lies my interest in this game.

[gibonez 3633]

In general I don't like the focus on weapons to be honest. My (!) DAYZ is not about a multitude of weapons or fire power. All I need is 1 weapon to kill a bad guy at about 100 metres (or yards) or closer and to hunt animals. The SKS seems fine in that role. More diversity in weapons just seems to put the focus on pvp imho and not on survival, where lies my interest in this game.

 

If you like survival you should be extremely happy with the weapon list.

 

We have the following outdoorsy/survival weapons in the game thus far.

 

Ruger 10/22 = small game survival rifle

Mosin = Budget deer rifle here in the states

Sks = Budget hog rifle in the States

CZ = .223 hunting bolt action carbine that is super high quality for the price

Side by side Shotgun = no need to explain

Long horn = Hunting break action pistol

Crossbow = Once again a hunting weapon no longer practical against humans

Bow and Arrow = Good hunting weapon

Remington 870 clone = Hunting pump shotgun

 

Thus far the focus has been on Civilian weapons and that is pretty awesome nice to have a game put a focus on civilian weapons over new tactical operator toys that make all the children drool.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

What's with the "confirmed?" bit? "we're adding .380 auto" seems pretty concise to me.

 

It's honestly a fine compromise to me because we can still get the Makarov and pretty much any other 9x18mm firearm, as well as the iconic Vz64 Skorpion and Walther PPK :) (James Bond all the way)

 

I'd rather see the MAC-10 than the MAC-11, though, as there aren't a whole lot of .45 SMGs that would be fun to have (A UMP-45? No thanks. I could settle for a Greasegun, but the superspeed MAC-10 is something worth having) Still, if they wanted to expand on the .380 bit, they could do both, but I think the Micro Uzi would be a better choice for a sub-compact SMG.

 

 

Something I really want to see is the CZ-83, I think that would be an awesome handgun to have. Fits the setting & lore (because some CZ weapons [or CZ copies] are Chernarussian in the DayZ timeline) and balances out the small size of the Makarov with the large scale of most normal pistols.

[gibonez 3633]

What's with the "confirmed?" bit? "we're adding .380 auto" seems pretty concise to me.

 

It's honestly a fine compromise to me because we can still get the Makarov and pretty much any other 9x18mm firearm, as well as the iconic Vz64 Skorpion and Walther PPK :) (James Bond all the way)

 

I'd rather see the MAC-10 than the MAC-11, though, as there aren't a whole lot of .45 SMGs that would be fun to have (A UMP-45? No thanks. I could settle for a Greasegun, but the superspeed MAC-10 is something worth having) Still, if they wanted to expand on the .380 bit, they could do both, but I think the Micro Uzi would be a better choice for a sub-compact SMG.

 

 

Something I really want to see is the CZ-83, I think that would be an awesome handgun to have. Fits the setting & lore (because some CZ weapons [or CZ copies] are Chernarussian in the DayZ timeline) and balances out the small size of the Makarov with the large scale of most normal pistols.

 

I agree is fine.

 

I agree about the mac 10 too its such an iconic smg from the 20th century although there is nothing wrong with the ump either.

 

It is almost crazy to believe that at one point in history you could have bought a .45 caliber machinegun for something like 200 dollars in the US.

 

I wonder if their choice to not add the 9x18 is merely because they have accesss to a wider variety of weapons in the .380 auto caliber ?

 

More western guns in .380.

[Katana67 2907]

Something I really want to see is the CZ-83, I think that would be an awesome handgun to have. Fits the setting & lore (because some CZ weapons [or CZ copies] are Chernarussian in the DayZ timeline) and balances out the small size of the Makarov with the large scale of most normal pistols.

 

Plus, the CZ-83 looks pretty much like a Makarov to me (hell, even a PPK looks damn near identical in my opinion to a Makarov)... so, would perhaps be a good way of having a "Makarov" whilst still appeasing the "realism" folks in having a CZ-83 in .380 ACP.

 

However, I still don't see much utility from a gameplay standpoint (of balancing the ammunition-weapon-utilization relationship) in adding another pistol cartridge. We've got the "regular" (9x19), "heavy" (.45 ACP), and "revolver" (.357) bits covered pretty well. I'm just not sure we need more, although I'm certainly not against .380 ACP. No other generic weapon archetype (rifle, shotgun, assault rifle, etc.) is so well-represented in terms of calibers.

 

I just think there are more calibers which are more critical to be added, like a dedicated "hunting" rifle cartridge and/or another assault rifle cartridge.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Katana67

[liquidsnake 275]

I love .380! One of my favourite handguns is the PPK, and various cool SMGs are chambered in .380 as well.

[SFRGaming 718]

 

"...we're adding 380 Auto. Baikal made a Makarov pistol in 380 and there was a version of the RAK in that caliber too..." ~ Chris Torchia

 

http://www.reddit.com/user/Scubaman3D

 

This is neat! Although, I'm not particularly seeing the utility in adding yet another pistol round (when we desperately, in my opinion, need a dedicated "hunting" cartridge and one or two more rifle/assault rifle cartridges). Plus, I don't find many of the typical weapons in .380 ACP all that interesting. But the more the merrier.

 

Maybe the .380 will be like the 6.5 in Arma 3, but for pistols. Having the speed and trajectory of a 9mm, as well as the knock down power of a .45 caliber.

[Katana67 2907]

Maybe the .380 will be like the 6.5 in Arma 3, but for pistols. Having the speed and trajectory of a 9mm, as well as the knock down power of a .45 caliber.

 

Eh, it would have to have a trade-off for me to get behind that. And even if it did have a trade-off, the .45 ACP already sort of fills the "mid-range" gap between 9x19 and .357.

 

I'd rather they add another rifle cartridge, like 7.62x54R (not for having a cartridge which behaves any different from 7.62x51) so that they could actually differentiate between ostensibly "common/uncommon" weapons like the Mosin, SVD, and PKM and their NATO/"Western" counterparts. Again, huge assumptions there. But, it is at least a little future-proof. 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Plus, the CZ-83 looks pretty much like a Makarov to me (hell, even a PPK looks damn near identical in my opinion to a Makarov)... so, would perhaps be a good way of having a "Makarov" whilst still appeasing the "realism" folks in having a CZ-83 in .380 ACP.

 

However, I still don't see much utility from a gameplay standpoint (of balancing the ammunition-weapon-utilization relationship) in adding another pistol cartridge. We've got the "regular" (9x19), "heavy" (.45 ACP), and "revolver" (.357) bits covered pretty well. I'm just not sure we need more, although I'm certainly not against .380 ACP. No other generic weapon archetype (rifle, shotgun, assault rifle, etc.) is so well-represented in terms of calibers.

 

I just think there are more calibers which are more critical to be added, like a dedicated "hunting" rifle cartridge and/or another assault rifle cartridge.

Well, they're probably going to do the .380 Makarov variant anyway, but I don't see why having multiple similar pistols is going to do any harm. It doesn't really bother me so much that they're choosing a less common variant that does exist. I mean, you'd probably find more P-38s than P-1s, but they're essentially the same thing so I'm not complaining. It would just irk me more if they made the Makarov a 9x19mm variant, I would have a problem with that.

I'd say we have assault rifle calibers pretty well covered. 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm are what you typically see. The only other ones I can think of off the top of my head are 7.97x33mm, but that's only used in the StG-44, and 6.5mm.

Something like .30-06, .243, or .300 WM as a dedicated hunting cartridge would be nice, though. I'd also like .338 for the "high-caliber sniper rifle" ammunition type, as I wouldn't have anything against an AWM or AWP (nor do I really care if they do an M107, but they show no interest in doing so).

 

I agree is fine.

 

I agree about the mac 10 too its such an iconic smg from the 20th century although there is nothing wrong with the ump either.

 

It is almost crazy to believe that at one point in history you could have bought a .45 caliber machinegun for something like 200 dollars in the US.

 

I wonder if their choice to not add the 9x18 is merely because they have accesss to a wider variety of weapons in the .380 auto caliber ?

 

More western guns in .380.

There are probably a plethora of reasons as to why they chose .380 ACP over 9x18mm.

Most 9x18mm guns have variants in .380 ACP, but there are plenty more guns that utilize .380 than 9x18mm, and more types too (9x18mm only exists in handguns and submachine-guns, while .380 is a little more diverse)

9x18mm is also pretty close to 9x19mm in many aspects, while .380 ACP is pretty distinguishable (the ballistic data between 9x18 and 9x19 are fairly different, but the names are super close)

 

I guess the UMP-45 wouldn't be too bad, but it'd have to be one of the more high-end weapons, which I could actually support. The fact that it easily accepts many attachments and is a powerful and good design would make it a great "end-game SMG" to have, considering calibers already in-game. It's also reasonably well-used around now, as many of the people wanted .40 or .45 caliber variants of the MP5 used this instead after they found that the MP5/10 and MP5/40 were horrible. I could also go for an FN P90 because of how unique 5.7x28mm is as a caliber, but it's hardly used in any weapons, so forget that.

 

My true end-game weapon would be a Kriss Vector, but people would flip if the devs added that and I have no real argument for it, other than; "Dude, it's cool".

[gibonez 3633]

Eh, it would have to have a trade-off for me to get behind that. And even if it did have a trade-off, the .45 ACP already sort of fills the "mid-range" gap between 9x19 and .357.

 

I'd rather they add another rifle cartridge, like 7.62x54R (not for having a cartridge which behaves any different from 7.62x51) so that they could actually differentiate between ostensibly "common/uncommon" weapons like the Mosin, SVD, and PKM and their NATO/"Western" counterparts. Again, huge assumptions there. But, it is at least a little future-proof. 

 

I would assume that is coming next.

 

The SVD is going to be added soon and most likely a pkm those 3 weapons along would warrant the 54r right ?

 

Then they could keep adding 54r weapons such as the vepr and other civilian 54r hunting rifles.

[KingofTheWorld 44]

Again one weak and useless thing its nearly same with p1 not excited about that. This game needs heavy machine guns.

[Katana67 2907]

I'd say we have assault rifle calibers pretty well covered. 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm are what you typically see. The only other ones I can think of off the top of my head are 7.97x33mm, but that's only used in the StG-44, and 6.5mm.

Something like .30-06, .243, or .300 WM as a dedicated hunting cartridge would be nice, though. I'd also like .338 for the "high-caliber sniper rifle" ammunition type, as I wouldn't have anything against an AWM or AWP

 

Well, 7.62x51 isn't an intermediate assault rifle cartridge. It's a rifle cartridge. There's a lot of overlap on what constitutes an "assault rifle" versus just a "rifle" or "battle rifle" but, they are (as I'm sure you're aware) considered distinct from one another.

 

Granted, we need more rifle cartridges more than we need intermediate cartridges. Because all we have, is one rifle cartridge (i.e. 7.62x51). But, if pistols get four cartridges... don't see why the same can't apply to other weapons.

 

I agree about .338 LM (or .300 WM, I don't care which) being a dedicated sniper rifle round. I've in-fact proposed it in the past.

 

And yeah, I think .30-06 would be a good candidate for a hunting cartridge. But again, it doesn't have to be .30-06. Just as long as there's a "hunting" cartridge.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Again one weak and useless thing its nearly same with p1 not excited about that. This game needs heavy machine guns.

All of the weapons are exciting. I can't really explain it, but it's just so satisfying knowing that there'll be some guns in the game and you'll be able to find them.

 

Also, I'd count on guns like the P1 being of the more common guns later on. There's no real point in adding something like an M2HB, DShK, or NSV at this point, as we have no vehicles to mount them on. We might get tripods that we can carry around and set up, but that's still a long way off if it ever happens.

If you're talking about things like a PKM or M60, then yes, I agree, we should get some. But they won't be (and shouldn't be) added until loot centralization occurs, so that they can be regulated and you won't be seeing Rambo everywhere.

[gibonez 3633]

I guess the UMP-45 wouldn't be too bad, but it'd have to be one of the more high-end weapons, which I could actually support. The fact that it easily accepts many attachments and is a powerful and good design would make it a great "end-game SMG" to have, considering calibers already in-game. It's also reasonably well-used around now, as many of the people wanted .40 or .45 caliber variants of the MP5 used this instead after they found that the MP5/10 and MP5/40 were horrible. I could also go for an FN P90 because of how unique 5.7x28mm is as a caliber, but it's hardly used in any weapons, so forget that.

 

My true end-game weapon would be a Kriss Vector, but people would flip if the devs added that and I have no real argument for it, other than; "Dude, it's cool".

 

Yea the ump is a pretty good end game SMG.

 

It has so many qualities that would make it so.

It is super controllable , super modular and powerful.

 

Yea people would lose their shit if they added something like a Vector.

[Katana67 2907]

I would assume that is coming next.

 

The SVD is going to be added soon and most likely a pkm those 3 weapons along would warrant the 54r right ?

 

Then they could keep adding 54r weapons such as the vepr and other civilian 54r hunting rifles.

 

Well, a 7.62x54R Vepr is pretty much the same as an SVD. So, I don't really see any utility in adding anything like that. PSL, Vepr, SVD, pretty much interchangeable as far as DayZ is concerned. Although, certainly not opposed to it.

 

But yes, the SVD, PKM, and Mosin should justify the inclusion of 7.62x54R. However, I don't really see any indication of it actually happening anytime soon. They could just as easily make the SVD chambered in the amalgamated 7.62x51 that they've got now.

 

Again, I don't really care that it's not "realistic." So save your disgust at the prospect of an SVD in 7.62x51 (even though they certainly do exist). But, the issue for me is that 7.62x51 is thereby made hyper-ubiquitous.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

Again one weak and useless thing its nearly same with p1 not excited about that. This game needs heavy machine guns.

 

I disagree the weapon selection in this game is actually imaginative.

 

They opted to not go the traditional route that 99 percent of games follow.

 

Thus far they haven't settled into the usual shooting game cliche of having whatever hot new obscure weapon in the game.

 

Thus far none of the tradional Scars, no xm8s, no magpul masadas, no ACRs, no Tavors, none of the usual game cliche guns are in dayz.

 

I mean what other game has the gaul to add a cz527 a beautiful rifle that civilian shooters have come to love and it truly is a unique rifle in the market.

 

 

You can say alot of bad things about dayz but one of them is not that the weapon selection is boring.

It would be boring if the firearm roster was the same as 90 percent of shooters out there but thankfully that is not the case.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Well, 7.62x51 isn't an intermediate assault rifle cartridge. It's a rifle cartridge. There's a lot of overlap on what constitutes an "assault rifle" versus just a "rifle" or "battle rifle" but, they are (as I'm sure you're aware) considered distinct from one another.

 

Granted, we need more rifle cartridges more than we need intermediate cartridges. Because all we have, is one rifle cartridge (i.e. 7.62x51). But, if pistols get four cartridges... don't see why the same can't apply to other weapons.

 

I agree about .338 LM (or .300 WM, I don't care which) being a dedicated sniper rifle round. I've in-fact proposed it in the past.

 

And yeah, I think .30-06 would be a good candidate for a hunting cartridge. But again, it doesn't have to be .30-06. Just as long as there's a "hunting" cartridge.

Yeah, I'm aware that 7.62x51mm isn't an intermediate round, but a lot of guns like the G3A3 or FN FAL, which have select-fire capability, have been or still are used in the same roles as intermediate cartridge-based rifles like the AKM or M4A1. It was also worth mentioning because it's already in-game, unlike some other ammunition. Sorry for the bit of confusion.

 

I actually hope we can get .44 Magnum so that we have some truly powerful sidearms besides the LongHorn, but I don't know how people would feel about it.

 

But the real question is; how would you feel if they added a Sig Sauer P226 and gave it .357 Magnum instead of .357 SIG? Forget that, I dumbed out for a second and forgot that the P226 is also a 9x19mm pistol. Oops.

 

 

 

Yea the ump is a pretty good end game SMG.

 

It has so many qualities that would make it so.

It is super controllable , super modular and powerful.

 

Yea people would lose their shit if they added something like a Vector.

Yeah, and then if they wanted, the Greasegun and MAC-10 could be the other two .45 ACP SMGs you could find.

The Greasegun would be manageable, but fire incredibly slowly, and be questionably reliable. The MAC-10, on the other hand, is going to shoot very fast, but also spray everywhere (alongside awful recoil).

I say that as though I want them to tier weapons, though; I don't. I'm fine with as many weapons as the devs want to have so long as they aren't completely game breaking (like an M202 FLASH) or are super out of place (like an XM8)

Edited June 28, 2014 by Chaingunfighter