My plea to remove military gear

[Katana67 2907]

but would like to know a little more on you believe of firearms in dayz, if you feel like posting... my view is , there is just to much ammo , everywhere

 

I agree with that, there is too much ammo in terms of rarity/availability. But it doesn't really have anything to do with "military" gear, as stated in the OP.

 

Likewise, I disagree heavily with the developer's emphasis on making as few calibers as possible (and therefore, making them more ubiquitous [meaning one can use, assumedly, 7.62x51 in everything from a break-action pistol, to a hunting rifle, to a double rifle, to a battle rifle or DMR, to a GPMG, to a high-end sniper rifle]). Which I believe to be detrimental, overall, in being able to balance the weapon-ammunition relationship.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Katana67

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

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For the love of.... military gear is here, it's going to stay.  The only problem is when they release mods to run amok on DayZ is where the game will take a turn for the worse

[Sooden 301]

I agree with that, there is too much ammo in terms of rarity/availability. But it doesn't really have anything to do with "military" gear, as stated in the OP.

 

Likewise, I disagree heavily with the developer's emphasis on making as few calibers as possible (and therefore, making them more ubiquitous [meaning one can use, assumedly, 7.62x51 in everything from a break-action pistol, to a hunting rifle, to a double rifle, to a battle rifle or DMR, to a GPMG, to a high-end sniper rifle]). Which I believe to be detrimental, overall, in being able to balance the weapon-ammunition relationship.

 

think i understand, want different calibers so you cant stock up on one type that can be used in meany weapons?

 

and, out of choice, piked the SKS and .22 s pistol thing, just for hunting :P. i never take an m4

[zeeabo 92]

Just on that, if you make mil spec weapons super rare then what will happen is one or two people will rule the server. 

 

Tell that to all the M4 guys I've taken down with a Sporter.

[Sooden 301]

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For the love of.... military gear is here, it's going to stay.  The only problem is when they release mods to run amok on DayZ is where the game will take a turn for the worse

 

we just chatting now, chill, thread is dead, just a chat window now lol

[Katana67 2907]

Tell that to all the M4 guys I've taken down with a Sporter.

 

Yeah, I never really understood this.

 

In an unforgiving game, like DayZ, the advantage conferred upon someone using a "military" weapon versus not, is minimal.

 

For example, arguably, the Mosin-Nagant is the best weapon in the game as it stands. It's a bolt-action "civilian" (even though it was military issue, further underscoring the reason why I put military and civilian in quotations, as it's meaningless) rifle.

 

Folks drop when they get shot in DayZ, it isn't like you're just patently screwed if you're using anything less than an M4 to fight someone with an M4.

 

EDIT - And either way, why are people so damn afraid of an asymmetric experience? Not everything has to perform the same, a la BF4. Weapons give people advantages, if someone expends enough effort/time/risk... they should be rewarded, not thrown in the same soup as every other newspawn who picks up a Sporter. Point being, even if we acknowledge the advantages given to the player by "military" weapons, it's rightful if it's something born out of the expenditure of time/effort/risk.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Katana67

[Sooden 301]

Yeah, I never really understood this.

 

In an unforgiving game, like DayZ, the advantage conferred upon someone using a "military" weapon versus not, is minimal.

 

For example, arguably, the Mosin-Nagant is the best weapon in the game as it stands. It's a bolt-action "civilian" (even though it was military issue, further underscoring the reason why I put military and civilian in quotations, as it's meaningless) rifle.

 

Folks drop when they get shot in DayZ, it isn't like you're just patently screwed if you're using anything less than an M4 to fight someone with an M4.

 

i don't wanna see a reduction in mill weapons only, not even in guns, just the ammo... without trying, never hitting a base or big town. i end up with 100+ mag rounds, 100 sks shells, not as menny .22s but i dont think all the spawn set yet...even dropped a shotgun with 50 rouns and 8 speed loaders, just didnt need it need... so much ammo. ammo less rare that pens and batteries

[karlkurtz32 59]

When you consider the amount of police stations, military bases, air fields, and heli crash sites, it doesn't make sense to have military gear removed or limited to "rare".  Because if there was no/rare military gear everyone would say, "When you consider the amount of police stations, military bases, air fields, and heli crash sites, how can there not be more military gear?!"

[PhillyT 554]

I love military loot (and by military loot that is just the M4 and AKM).  Gives you something to shoot for after getting civilian weapons.

[cejota14 130]

Hi ya all. 

 

Been playing Dayz for a while now and mostly enjoyed it. I love to help others, i love to be helped, but i also love a good gunfight between players. I never kill an unarmed person if he does not threat me, but if i'd see a full-mil-gear player with his/her m4 on hand, i will shoot on sight. At least try to :3 ... 

 

Since there are so many people who only seem to see this as a DM game and various other reasons, i would really love to see military gear to be either very very very super rare, or removed altogether. Including composite helmets, vests and assault rifles etc. In my mind this game would be perfect if you could find just shotguns, old bolt-action hunting rifles (with or without scope), pistols, revolvers and maybe semi-auto rifles (hunting ones with small clip) on a very rare occasions. After all, we are playing DayZ, not Arma. I really love a good gunfight, and people who want to kill everyone on sight are mostly OK, (except the ones who shoot unarmed people for no reason etc), but please make the ability to shoot the gun matter! One time i was killed by a guy who had to empty half of his/hers rounds with his M4 before he actually hit me leathally. 

 

So, make each bullet count. Make ability to use the gun count. I don't want to die because some 12yo kid has made a trip to an airfield before me and he will kill me (barely) with 30 5.56mm rounds. 

 

Never gonna happen...Military equipment is something that you ARE GOING TO find in a zombie apocalypse considering PDs and AFs would be sent to "control" the outbreak. So good luck with your plea

 

PS: I would agree if you plea for increasing its rareness

[herrjon 478]

i don't wanna see a reduction in mill weapons only, not even in guns, just the ammo... without trying, never hitting a base or big town. i end up with 100+ mag rounds, 100 sks shells, not as menny .22s but i dont think all the spawn set yet...even dropped a shotgun with 50 rouns and 8 speed loaders, just didnt need it need... so much ammo. ammo less rare that pens and batteries

 

I've seen you throw out the "less rare than pens and batteries" a few times in this thread, and while I feel the ammo situation will be the inevitable fix for this, the analogy is a bit off.  Ammo is highly consumable, i.e. you pull the trigger, there goes one/a few rounds.  Batteries I know can last you a good hour or two at least of continued use, and pens while I haven't used them myself, I can assume you don't burn through them like candy.  I'd say it'd be better to realize in some cases you find more ammo than food. (just bothered me, sorry)

 

I'd say in term of the M4, limiting the magazines will be the balance factor more so than the ammo, as you can't use it without one, and reloading it with just one mag is a terrible experience.

[Hikurac 115]

Have you played experimental? M4s are only found at heli crash sites.

You can find them in police stations quite commonly in experimental. Went to 4 police stations yesterday, 3 of which had M4's.

[Sooden 301]

I've seen you throw out the "less rare than pens and batteries" a few times in this thread, and while I feel the ammo situation will be the inevitable fix for this, the analogy is a bit off.  Ammo is highly consumable, i.e. you pull the trigger, there goes one/a few rounds.  Batteries I know can last you a good hour or two at least of continued use, and pens while I haven't used them myself, I can assume you don't burn through them like candy.  I'd say it'd be better to realize in some cases you find more ammo than food. (just bothered me, sorry)

 

I'd say in term of the M4, limiting the magazines will be the balance factor more so than the ammo, as you can't use it without one, and reloading it with just one mag is a terrible experience.

 

if pens and batteries last longer, shouldn't there be more laying around :P. cant just have more ammo spawn cus it used faster, that's incorrect . Ammo have no value in game play atm,just to easy to get :(

 

if basing on posiblwe pre story, well, would not be much left behind, as used to protect and escape... but may still be lots of guns left aroubnd

Edited June 18, 2014 by Sooden

[karlkurtz32 59]

You can find them in police stations quite commonly in experimental. Went to 4 police stations yesterday, 3 of which had M4's.

Seriously? That's crazy. I've been playing experimental for a couple weeks and never found an M4 anywhere except heli sites. Not even on airfields.

[Sooden 301]

imagen if ammo was so rare, all you had was an m4 and a half cull clip 15/30 (and that clip also rare so that you wanna look after it), and that took hours to get (may have had more rounds but some zombies needed killing). not gonna be in a rush to kos or fight. may need that ammo to hunt, or protect a camp site (when added) 

 

.a yup that would kill DM in dayz and make is  game survival, and a lot on the forum (taking forum member by copies solid, its a small number) woulds go crying. 

 

but at least the game would be what it said it would be

 

and before the gun nuts blast... aww you dont wanna have to conserve your ammo (in a surival game) or fight with an axe, well, i hope it happens, and you go back to CoD

 

added: comes the time you swap a clip of ammo for medical supplies, sure, once they have the clip they may kill you, but at least its not KOS - rather be killed my a bad decision than a random lurker 

Edited June 19, 2014 by Sooden

[herrjon 478]

if pens and batteries last longer, shouldn't there be more laying around :P. cant just have more ammo spawn cus it used faster, that's incorrect . Ammo have no value in game play atm,just to easy to get :(

if basing on posiblwe pre story, well, would not be much left behind, as used to protect and escape... but may still be lots of guns left aroubnd

Well looking at other things like utility, a bullet can save your life, batteries might, pens won't. (Just being devil's advocate now)

But yeah, logically there would just be loads of gun with nothing to shoot out of them.

[Hikurac 115]

Seriously? That's crazy. I've been playing experimental for a couple weeks and never found an M4 anywhere except heli sites. Not even on airfields.

Yeah I was kinda annoyed when I found them. At least there were no mags. Still, it needs to be fixed.

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