Logical suggestion - Remove NVG?

[leo235 2]

I can understand that point of view' date=' but it's still too dark for too many people at night for some reason. I can see fairly well at night with them as well, but it's definitely a superior advantage that I worked for to have.

You can survive without a weapon. There are ways around it. For some people, for some reason, though, it's impossible for them to see at night. That's a hardcoded fact in ARMA II.

And the game with NVGs [i']could be described as sitting around wait for somebody stupid enough to walk by. But so could any camping strategy when it's a viable one. At night in DayZ, though, it's not just a viable one, it's the most effect because people will not see you if you're not moving unless you have a light. Thus, if people want to actually see, they're putting themselves at a major disadvantage unless they're using NVGs.

Granted, my whole argument basically boils down to 'don't play on a night server unless you want to put yourself at a disadvantage, or you have NVGs'. (Or, if you can actually figure out how to bypass the gamma/brightness restrictions, go right ahead.) But that's how it's going to be until we have a more viable option that allows us to engage within our sight radius without exposing ourselves before a target comes within said sight radius.

You can survive without a weapon

You can survive without NVGs

but it's still too dark for too many people at night for some reason

You can use flashlights at night cant you?

also

Please tell me why this argument doesnt work on sniper scopes

or just on binoculars, because they make you a fucking superscout even in daylight

really your problem is that so many players have cheated their hands on one, or just your bad luck. In any case its wrong to ask for something awesome to be taken out of the game.

[Dianeces 2]

1. NVGs are a lot rarer than military grade weapons in RL. Most armies don't even have any at all except for some special forces.

Even in the ones fielding them for regular soldiers there are at most 1 NVGs per 3 weapons. AT MOST.

This is an example of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about trying to sound smart. I would recommend against listening to him.

(For the record' date=' the ratio between weapons and NVGs in most first world armies is right around 1:1, since as it turns out seeing the target is the first step towards being able to shoot the target. NVGs really aren't as expensive or uncommon as people seem to think.)

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Oh really?

Really.

Do you know how many millions of M16' date=' M14 etc pp the US has stockpiled? M14s alone amount to up to half a million. M16 are several million alone.

Do you really think they now buy 20 NVGs per soldier just to have more NVGs than rifles?

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First of all, you never mentioned stockpiles in your first post, so way to switch gears there, buddy. Secondly, there are likely stockpiles of NVGs as well. I'm not sure how much you think NVGs cost, but it's probably not as high as you seem to think it is; in fact, it's probably equal to or less than the cost of a military grade weapon...

And I would question whether most european armies like the German Army do have a NVG for each soldier. It is the aim of the future infantrist program to provide every soldier with a NVG which is usable to up to 250 meters.

Remember that we are not talking about a first world army here (unlike the german...)

Most (Western) European armies will undoubtedly have NVGs for the majority of soldiers. In fact, any army which can afford MBTs and helicopters can also afford to issue out NVGs. The biggest hurdle in that instance (assuming you have no organic NVG manufacturing capabilities within your own country) would be in finding someone to sell you sufficient quantities of their NVGs. They are not some sort of magical device that noone has. The whole world watched the First Gulf War and saw what happens when one side can see and operate in the dark and the other can't. And contrary to popular belief, people are not that dumb. I will grant that the Chernarussian army would likely not have one per soldier, but that also does not mean that the current paucity is accurate either.

[Jokerr (DayZ) 0]

No.Hell no.

Why do you cry so much?

If you really want to play night time - you will simply will!

I don't have NVG's,yet i play on night time,simply cause i like it.I entered NW airfield without NVG's.So what?

Don't fucking cry about it.

Seriosly guys,retarted whining like yours,will ruin the game.

[wolfstriked 143]

Logical suggestion would be to make nights look like this forums background pic.Ability to see more from a full moon and some fog for ambiance. :) Real creepy gameplay would ensue.

Also,change the realistic 24hr day/night cycle to a less realistic 4 or 8 hour cycle.This way nightime is an hour or 2 at most.Quite a few things stem from this simple change.One is that running from coast to way up north will have you arriving at nighttime inducing a sense of scale that doesn't happen as it plays right now.No way can you climb mountainous terrain at speeds DayZ allows.Next this forces people to play thru the darkness but removes the realistic part of you actually needing sleep and so darkness really being just an hour or two in real life. ;) You would never just stay up all night is my point.

Maybe put all servers on SAME TIMESCALE so that they all experience nightime at same time. :)

[alienfreak 6]

First of all' date=' you never mentioned stockpiles in your first post, so way to switch gears there, buddy. Secondly, there are likely stockpiles of NVGs as well. I'm not sure how much you think NVGs cost, but it's probably not as high as you seem to think it is; in fact, it's probably equal to or less than the cost of a military grade weapon...

Most (Western) European armies will undoubtedly have NVGs for the majority of soldiers. In fact, any army which can afford MBTs and helicopters can also afford to issue out NVGs. The biggest hurdle in that instance (assuming you have no organic NVG manufacturing capabilities within your own country) would be in finding someone to sell you sufficient quantities of their NVGs. They are not some sort of magical device that noone has. The whole world watched the First Gulf War and saw what happens when one side can see and operate in the dark and the other can't. And contrary to popular belief, people are not that dumb. I will grant that the Chernarussian army would likely not have one per soldier, but that also does not mean that the current paucity is accurate either.

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1. NVGs are a lot rarer than military grade weapons in RL. Most armies don't even have any at all except for some special forces.

Even in the ones fielding them for regular soldiers there are at most 1 NVGs per 3 weapons. AT MOST.

What?

I said that NVGs are rarer than rifles.

What is so freaking unclear about it? Did I say "per soldier in afghanistan you do not find more rifles than NVGs"? No?

I say you have no idea how expensive military grade NVGs are. The one the german army uses costs about 4000 Euros. The Rifle of a german soldier costs 1200 Euros.

So your NOT SO EXPENSIVE NVG costs only as much as three rifles. And you really expect armies to buy as many of those highly situational devices as they have weapons for their soldiers which they can pew pew enemies with?

So what we learned is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Ypsan 20]

I like it. It's not that it is too hard finding or looting them from others but the fact that almost everyone playing during nights use them so its damn hard to find anyone. If we were all forced to use flashlights and road flares it would be much easier to spot and be spotted which would make things a lot more interesting.

[wolfstriked 143]

Why are you guys stuck on removal or not of NVG's.They are super rare and are good to keep the long timers happy,even though people do not play in night servers which is from in big part NVG's.Why not try to get the game changed so that nights are not that dark and so NVG's give advantage but the non NVG players can still have a chance?

[Claytonaj 12]

How about introducing a bit of variety. More NVGs all round, but perhaps some bulkier, less effective device from the 1970s being more common than the more up-to-date models.

[snajdan 14]

NO! because how u want to play at night? carry flare in your hand and showing everyone ,,HELLO I'AM LINDSAY LOHAN"

I think we must create a new suggestion thread with big lighted signs over your head......

[alienfreak 6]

NO! because how u want to play at night? carry flare in your hand and showing everyone ' date=',HELLO I'AM LINDSAY LOHAN"

I think we must create a new suggestion thread with big lighted signs over your head......

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So you are uber pro but never heard of chemlights? :)

And you can throw flares and don't even go in their light radius and just use them for navigation.

[Deviant (DayZ) 43]

I'd love for NVG's to be removed.

Either that, or rarest item in-game (like mountain dew) + requiring battery power.

[wolfstriked 143]

Question remains...if they remove the NVG's will you start playing in dark servers?

[Bower 4]

Question remains...if they remove the NVG's will you start playing in dark servers?

No...I don't play against twats who whack up their gamma and brightness to full which is pretty much everyone on night servers.

[Peninja 0]

I think the low night time population adds to the simulation. Most people in a survival situation would sleep during the night, knowing it's not safe. If you have NVG's it's safer and a survivor might do night time operations because it is safe. I think that the NVG's add to the realism. If you don't want to die, don't go out at night.

[alienfreak 6]

I think the low night time population adds to the simulation. Most people in a survival situation would sleep during the night' date=' knowing it's not safe. If you have NVG's it's safer and a survivor might do night time operations because it is safe. I think that the NVG's add to the realism. If you don't want to die, don't go out at night.

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With chemlights its rather easier than during the day with the Zeds. And other players will also have a very hard time spotting you from more than 100 meters.

But nobody with half decent equipment would do that if he doesn't have a NVG. One guy with a NVG comes around or someone with a TWS and you are dead meat without even the chance to fight back.

If it were because of the zombies that the players wouldn't play during night you would be right. But nobody likes night because of all the dupers, server hoppers, low server count loot farmers and people that just lock their servers to get loot.

[Azophi 0]

How about we split the difference between those who want to test what no NVGs are like for a bit and those who don't want to lose their pair by adding the battery-for-power mechanic - but not putting in any batteries for the length of testing? That way nobody can use their NVGs but they get to keep them in their inventories.

Personally, my very first session on Day Z a couple of months back was night time. Lots of flares, lots of camaraderie as people tried to find other people and where they were, and who was throwing down light sources. It was a really cool introduction to the mod, and maybe such a thing can't be replicated now that there has been such a proliferation of high-tech weaponry and bandits have become de rigeur, but it was very interesting to see how gameplay changed at night. I say give it a go.

The same people who shout at new players for not liking the dark - telling them to "l2flashlight" and use flares and chemlights - are now the ones saying playing without NVGs will make the night not viable because it is too dark.

If the argument is "I don't want to play in the dark with flashlights because I'll be lit up like a christmas tree for everyone" then you know how it feels to play in the dark without NVGs against anyone with NVGs, ever. Not to mention it is still more difficult for a bandit to kill someone throwing flares strategically than it is for her to just press 'N'.

[Golgo82 28]

Make NVG's and thermal to consume battery' date=' and batteries rare.

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THIS

As i first heard of nvg i thought they would need batteries already...

Hope this could be introduced. Would balance them and contribute to the realism!

And in the Spirit of realism and to "try things out" lets make them have battery lifetimes like with a real nightvision, so all those meany campers can only use them for 60 frickin hours at a time, with automatic shutoff when not engaged, Brightness Control and Bright-Light Shuttoff so they can adjust how much they see and prevent them from getting temporary blinded by flares!!

And btw I like running around through the wilderness, ergo all ground/naval/aircraft needs to be wiped from the game because they are lots and lots faster than me and can store 50+ cans of beans inside! Its only logical!

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People..please..just because one doesn't like certain things doesnt mean they have to get wiped from existence for everyone.

source

http://www.atncorp.com/atn-pvs7-cgt-night-vision-goggles

[edonovan 15]

I don't see a problem with it. If a sniper wants to search an entire map to find one of the 3 other players on the server, I say let him.

It seems to cut down on a lot of PvP if you can't even find someone to kill. This is why I wait for nightfall to hit big cities. I doubt anyone is sitting in the woods on a server with 3 people on the off chance that one of them will hit cherno.

Add to that the fact that it's easier to avoid detection from zombies at night, so there won't be any gunfire to alert a sniper to your presence, the only way they can find you is to look for zed spawns or pray you cross their view frustum.

[Cedrik (DayZ) 0]

I do not have any NVG. I don't play nite time servers. Its all black screen for me even with my settings adjusted. Its just no fun playing (for me) watching a black screen... might as well turn my monitor off and play. Would make no difference...

But NVG are cool and fun. I hope they do not get removed. Fewer options is not good. I've played other games where it started out with loads fo variety and options, only to get "nerfed" or removed patch after patch. In time fewer and fewer people play.

Do not start removing things like this. IF I had NVG I'd sure be more minded to go to nite servers. If someone doesn't like it, switch servers... Dunno why there needs to be suggestions to remove things that aren't broken.

[Brusann 67]

I don't have NVG's and I never have, although the prospect of finding them is really exciting to me. Until then, I have to be more careful! Think of how satisfying it'd be to loot a dead body with them or to find them in the barracks; I can only imagine. Sure some people have them, and if they'd like to play on nighttime servers that's fine, I'll stick to my day/night serves. Plus, if a zombie apocalypse did happen, people WOULD have these devices, they're fairly common in the USA(not sure about "Chernarus"). And people would have to make the decision whether to travel at day or under the cover of darkness.

[choc 0]

I also STRONGLY support adding batteries to all equipment that gives you a technological advantage (NVG / L85 Thermal Scope etc).

Why?

They are without a doubt, absolutely gamebreaking in their current form (especially Thermal Scopes).

You virtually remove ALL RISK from the game once you have a Thermal Scope because you can spot players or zombies from hundreds of meters away without even trying to look.

Not to mention everyone who has an L85 will log out if they come under any fire because they don't want to lose their overpowered gun that turns the game into EZ Mode.

TL;DR - Add batteries or get rid of equipment that gives you a technological advantage!

[jesquik 75]

A huge part of the issue here is not that NVGs are so common but that they are being duped or hacked into the game. Once that is fixed there will be less of an issue with people having NVGs . Additionally they should not be useable with scopes like on the DMR, that is just ridiculous.

The more I see people complaining about playing on night time servers the more I think we should either have server based characters so that server hopping will be impossible or have all the servers synch their clocks so that everyone experiences night.

I have had some of my best experiences at night, even though it's damn scary not being able to see farther than 10 feet.

[wolfstriked 143]

I'll post again my idea that just gets overlooked without a comment.Why not make/force the game so that nighttime is only as dark as the forums background pic looks.give NVG advantage but also give players a spooky place to play and fight back if needed.

[rbro1987@gmail.com 16]

Night doesn't seem to dissuade people on Australian servers for some reason; I'm guessing because there aren't enough servers so they're pretty much always full. I have NVGs and I am still amazed at how many guys will spawn at Cherno and just casually walk into the city in pitch black.

They definitely need to fix the failtorch aka flash light, which is basically a strobe light because your character wont hold it straight when he moves. that would make things a lot better

Also I've yet to run into another player with NVGs as hazedaze also noted above

[aversionfx 63]

I would be in favor of removing NV (including scopes, and thermal) completely from the game. I think it completely removes the tension that night is supposed to represent.