Logical suggestion - Remove NVG?

[qla 0]

Agreed. Would like to see what would happen if nvgs would be removed for a month or so.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Would be a cool experiment, I honestly don't care either way. The hackers are the biggest problem right now.

A good player should be able to adapt regardless of equipment, and likewise a good player will have no need for third person, crosshairs, and any of that nonsense.

Give me something that shoots pointy things in the direction of my opponent, and I will overcome them.

[matt.gilmurray@gmail.com 46]

Night time servers are equally as dangerous as daytime servers with or without nvg's so why remove them?

[biorage 4]

I think you should be able to have the flashlight held while holding a pistol.

However, I think it should be removal of thermal before NVG.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

I think you should be able to have the flashlight held while holding a pistol.

However' date=' I think it should be removal of thermal before NVG.

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Agreed, or at least introduce batteries for all such equipment, and thermals use them up very quickly so that you have to use those optics sparingly.

[Areoss 4]

I'm actually surprised at the responses this thread is getting. It clearly is a topic of interest it seems.

I apologise if my own quotations seem to be contradicting of my own statements. I'm no english major, so my sentences won't be perfect.

There are people here who agree and disagree which is expected. But one point of view against another, you can't say someone is wrong and your opinion is right.

I quite like the idea of the NVG's requiring battery.

I would also think a head torch is a good idea too.

How ever, I don't think using a pistol and a torch at the same time is a good idea. More for atmospheric reasons. Plus it also increases the value of weapons such as the G17.

This would also have more tactical gameplay between team mates rather than solo play. For example, one person could shine their torch to see, while the other fires off a mag, and then before the reload, they swap roles.

Also if you need to defend yourself you can drop a flare or a chem light to fight any close encounters.

Risky but tense.

Some people will agree, other people will disagree. I respect that.

Just respect it in return ;) and keep the ideas going :) see if we can come up with new ideas.

[BL1P 252]

I think you should be able to have the flashlight held while holding a pistol.

However' date=' I think it should be removal of thermal before NVG.

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Doesnt the military flashlight already do that ?

I thought you can use the military light with any primary ?

[Areoss 4]

I think you should be able to have the flashlight held while holding a pistol.

However' date=' I think it should be removal of thermal before NVG.

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Doesnt the military flashlight already do that ?

I thought you can use the military light with any primary ?

http://dayzwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Military_Flashlight

"It's position in the inventory may be switched between the sidearm slot and a tool slot by means of the action menu. The Flashlight is only useable while in the sidearm slot. "

Unless this information is out dated. I will have to check on this, or if someone can check for us to see if it is possible.

[Delta-Dude 52]

At some point - I agree. NVG are good. But you don't realise that you can't take them out for a patch or two to see reaction, without takeing away all NVGs from current users, what will be even more unfair. It took me 3 weeks to get one. I was crawling in the darkness with chemlight in my hand from hangar to hangar (those times I didn't know spawn locations) Yeh I died few times, but that made a game even more chellenging. Once I layed down near barracks and within just 20 minutes 2 guys with NVG came looting, I could barely see them, but shot both and got my NVG and a better gun.

What I suggested already in my post - creating energy generators at towns, airfields, some other locations like docks, lighthouses and railway stations. Fueling them with jerry cans provides town with electricity for limited time. The bigger the place - the more fuel you need. So the street lights go on and NVG is no longer in much use. This will make game more FUN, more AWESOME, more INTERESTING, more CAPSLOCK FTW, more DYNAMIC, more EXCITING. And also add some kind of horror.. in night time with streets lighted up, but still remaining few dark corners, where bandits can possibly be aiming at you, or zombie might be just staring at ya and slowly moving your way.

[Dreganius (DayZ) 55]

I go on night servers and I don't have NVGs. I watch the moon cycles and enter night servers when I can vaguely see where I'm going. I find it safer to loot NWAS and Cherno in near pitch-black than I do in day servers.

Because there are usually only 10 people online on night servers, and of those I estimate only about 3 or 4 of them have NVGs, the chances of actually running into one of those people who DO have NVGs are pretty slim.

When I raided NWAS, I snuck around until I was close enough to open areas that a sniper could have seen me, in which I then ran from location to location until I got in the barracks. No-one was camping the doorway, because there was only 7 people online, and from when I was in Cherno earlier, three of them were looting in there.

I got a pair of M4 Carbines, threw one in my ALICE, and then left the airstrip and logged out about half a kilometre south to go to bed. In all my time on night servers, I've never been killed except when I got eaten by zombos very early on in my DayZ experience.

So, I disagree with your suggestion. NVGs are rare enough not to be as large a threat as you make out.

[kwhy (DayZ) 6]

The problem I have with NVG and other high end gear is that it just seems like there are too many working exploits in this mod right now allowing players to obtain/dupe these items.

Those exploits need to be controlled first before dealing out *end game gear* otherwise people will game the game to obtain these items and in the long run it hurts the legitimate players the most.

I personally like the experience of night time play because it really fits with the theme of this game. Flares, chem lights, flash lights really add that extra touch to the game that result in those WTF was I thinking moments.

Having NVG is just easy mode IMO along with the amount of scoped weapons that are in this game. These things take away a lot of those up close and personal in your face encounters that otherwise get avoided with this high tech weaponry / gadgets.

IMO players that skip this type of play by just playing on day servers until they obtain NVG are really missing out, especially since this is suppose to *zombie* game. I mean come on, a zombie survival game WITHOUT night play?!?!

I guess my point then is if everyone is running around with NVG then that whole different play style is lost and there really wouldn't be much difference between day and night time play.

Since at some point they need to wipe everything anyway I'd agree it would be worth removing NVG for awhile. If anything it might give more information on whether or not night's darkness should be modified to get more players interested in playing during night.

Later, if they are going to be reintroduced NVG then make sure it is something that every isn't easily obtained by exploiting the game or make it so it can't be used without batteries (same goes for all lights).

[twil 0]

Nvg`s are used 99% by bandits to have advantage to survivers. We dont need any godmode in dayz. So remove it from the game!

[dut 21]

OP has a good point and I agree. But this thread will turn to crap faster than you can say "omg y u nerfing banditss?" "You obviously suck at the game" "lrn2play" "go play CoD you carebear"

When I first started playing the game I went on night servers and it was great fun. But now that I'm a super srs hardcore player I just leave the server unless I have NVGs or thermals. "Use flares" haha' date=' yeah sure.

Rocket says it is great to make an online experience that doesn't conform to the 'balancing' tedium that most multiplayer games have and I agree... But[/i'] those games are largely free of exploits and the stakes are not as high. It would be very interesting to know how many pairs of NVGs were legitimately found rather than duped or taken from dead hackers.

I have a slim hope that in a future update they will try removing NVGs and thermals and it will make night servers enjoyable/full again.

[leo235 2]

please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply for scoped weapons

Please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply to explosives

Please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply to barbed wire (controversial I know)

[alienfreak 6]

NO

All things are a matter of perspective.

What you might see as rage or unthoughtful posts I might see as thoughtful posts with a grain of opinion.

What you see as not whining I might see as whining.

These parts of your post are really useless. Nobody is not going to insult you because you politely asked them not to' date=' whilst your trying to take away their fun.

You might say thats not what youre doing but thats perspective and you can surely imagine how it would be fun to sit near cherno with a NVG and panic people.

Also how is this suggestion LOGICAL? Because NVGs are rare in real life? So are military grade weapons. The ratio of weapons to NVGs would be more realistic if there were MORE NVGs.

Anyways:

NO

NVGs are in the game and are rare. Maybe we could make them a little more rare even, or better yet, add batteries for these kinds of things or a solar charger or whatever but the real problem is that rarity is no problem when you can server-hop.

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1. NVGs are a lot rarer than military grade weapons in RL. Most armies don't even have any at all except for some special forces.

Even in the ones fielding them for regular soldiers there are at most 1 NVGs per 3 weapons. AT MOST.

2. Duping, farming, hacking are destroying it with thermals and NVGs. One out of 3 players I shoot these days has NVGs, M4SD or L85A2CWS and a cal. 50.

Things like TWS, NVGs and some weapons have to go for good. Who needs those cal. 50?

Better introduce some more weapons, like the AK107 (with and without GL), the PKM, the RPK, silenced AKSU, Saiga and Makarov SD. Those are even already in ArmA 2.

And you could add TONS of new weapons by mods, AN-94, AEK-971 etc. pp.

Why is it we play a post soviet state zombie survival RPG and everybody runs around with some british SOTA TWS (srsly who fields those) and NVGs.

[BossFi 90]

OP has completely overlooked the problem causing the night issue.

NVGS are only a problem becuase of duplicating them. In normal circumstances I predict 1 player per night server would have NVG's because they are rare.

Once the duping has been fixed then night time will become fair again and NVG's will be an item you will guard with your life. Or they will make someone really happy when they are lucky to loot them.

[Dianeces 2]

1. NVGs are a lot rarer than military grade weapons in RL. Most armies don't even have any at all except for some special forces.

Even in the ones fielding them for regular soldiers there are at most 1 NVGs per 3 weapons. AT MOST.

This is an example of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about trying to sound smart. I would recommend against listening to him.

(For the record, the ratio between weapons and NVGs in most first world armies is right around 1:1, since as it turns out seeing the target is the first step towards being able to shoot the target. NVGs really aren't as expensive or uncommon as people seem to think.)

[KWilt 157]

I'm with weedmasta on this one.

If NVGs are removed' date=' then the game will pretty much become a game of 'sit here and wait for somebody stupid enough to use a light source to walk by'.

The only safe way to travel would be via chemlight, as the range of visibility is only about 50m. But then you only get 5m of view distance, and by the time you see anything within those 5 meters, you're probably already aggro'd, being shot at, or dead.

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Moving this post back up to the head of the thread. Didn't see anybody take notice, and I think it gives some logical reason as to why we shouldn't remove NVGs at the moment.

[leo235 2]

I'm with weedmasta on this one.

If NVGs are removed' date=' then the game will pretty much become a game of 'sit here and wait for somebody stupid enough to use a light source to walk by'.

The only safe way to travel would be via chemlight, as the range of visibility is only about 50m. But then you only get 5m of view distance, and by the time you see anything within those 5 meters, you're probably already aggro'd, being shot at, or dead.

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Moving this post back up to the head of the thread. Didn't see anybody take notice, and I think it gives some logical reason as to why we shouldn't remove NVGs at the moment.

Im for NVGs to stay in the game, but what you wrote there isnt a valid argument.

"It would be hard without them" shouldnt really be a reason. I dont have one and I get around, so you should be able to survive as well without them. Also the game with NVGs could also be described as "sitting around wait for somebody stupid enough to walk by".

You cant see without them is like

We cant take away the starting weapon, because then you couldnt shoot.

but

please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply for scoped weapons

Please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply to explosives

Please OP reason why the same arguments dont apply to barbed wire (controversial I know)

[dut 21]

please OP reason why...

Why do you expect a reply when none of the things you listed have anything to do with the topic of this thread?

Offtopic: Barbed wire spam was the result of a bug that is being remedied in the next patch.

[RaviN (DayZ) 9]

simple answer. no.

personally yes i do have NVG's atm on my char, i didnt kill anyone for them, infact i havnt killed anyone at all with this char, and yes i will rage and cry if they were removed after i spent time getting them, my char has not died in 4 days now and as my reward, the few rare items i have collected throughout my travels, including these NVG's - which i only got yesterday btw. and now you want to take them away from me? because your too stupid enough to get out of the fucking populated towns to survive.. like i do.. and perhaps get a pair of NVG's for yourself. the image i am seeing is you running into a populated town with a fucking flare in your hand and just getting kos, no NVG's used, just kos and blaming NVG's.

and btw "To see if that encourages people to move to night time servers" is BS, people that want to play on day servers will play on day servers but people that want to play at night or more importantly CAN play at night, will play at night. simple as.

and for the record.. even if i did not have NVG's, id still argue against this!

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[alienfreak 6]

1. NVGs are a lot rarer than military grade weapons in RL. Most armies don't even have any at all except for some special forces.

Even in the ones fielding them for regular soldiers there are at most 1 NVGs per 3 weapons. AT MOST.

This is an example of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about trying to sound smart. I would recommend against listening to him.

(For the record' date=' the ratio between weapons and NVGs in most first world armies is right around 1:1, since as it turns out seeing the target is the first step towards being able to shoot the target. NVGs really aren't as expensive or uncommon as people seem to think.)

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Oh really?

Do you know how many millions of M16, M14 etc pp the US has stockpiled? M14s alone amount to up to half a million. M16 are several million alone.

Do you really think they now buy 20 NVGs per soldier just to have more NVGs than rifles?

And I would question whether most european armies like the German Army do have a NVG for each soldier. It is the aim of the future infantrist program to provide every soldier with a NVG which is usable to up to 250 meters.

Remember that we are not talking about a first world army here (unlike the german...)

[KWilt 157]

Im for NVGs to stay in the game' date=' but what you wrote there isnt a valid argument.

"It would be hard without them" shouldnt really be a reason. I dont have one and I get around, so you should be able to survive as well without them. Also the game with NVGs could also be described as "sitting around wait for somebody stupid enough to walk by".

You cant see without them is like

We cant take away the starting weapon, because then you couldnt shoot.

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I can understand that point of view, but it's still too dark for too many people at night for some reason. I can see fairly well at night with them as well, but it's definitely a superior advantage that I worked for to have.

You can survive without a weapon. There are ways around it. For some people, for some reason, though, it's impossible for them to see at night. That's a hardcoded fact in ARMA II.

And the game with NVGs could be described as sitting around wait for somebody stupid enough to walk by. But so could any camping strategy when it's a viable one. At night in DayZ, though, it's not just a viable one, it's the most effect because people will not see you if you're not moving unless you have a light. Thus, if people want to actually see, they're putting themselves at a major disadvantage unless they're using NVGs.

Granted, my whole argument basically boils down to 'don't play on a night server unless you want to put yourself at a disadvantage, or you have NVGs'. (Or, if you can actually figure out how to bypass the gamma/brightness restrictions, go right ahead.) But that's how it's going to be until we have a more viable option that allows us to engage within our sight radius without exposing ourselves before a target comes within said sight radius.

[alienfreak 6]

simple answer. no.

personally yes i do have NVG's atm on my char' date=' i didnt kill anyone for them, infact i havnt killed anyone at all with this char, and yes i will rage and cry if they were removed after i spent time getting them, my char has not died in 4 days now and as my reward, the few rare items i have collected throughout my travels, including these NVG's - which i only got yesterday btw. and now you want to take them away from me? because your too stupid enough to get out of the fucking populated towns to survive.. like i do.. and perhaps get a pair of NVG's for yourself. the image i am seeing is you running into a populated town with a fucking flare in your hand and just getting kos, no NVG's used, just kos and blaming NVG's.

and btw "To see if that encourages people to move to night time servers" is BS, people that want to play on day servers will play on day servers but people that want to play at night or more importantly CAN play at night, will play at night. simple as.

and for the record.. even if i did not have NVG's, id still argue against this!

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Don't shed too many tears for us.

M107 TWS

VSS Vintorez

etc.

also got removed without a warning and without recompensation.

Oh and even if you are not doing PvP but PvE the NVG are easymode. You can run on an open field next to a zombie without it noticing.

GREAT FUNZ

[dut 21]

simple answer. no.

paraphrasing: Because I'm awesome at DayZ and you suck at it.

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How come threads like these always end up with posts like that?