suppressors

[King_Woodsie 0]

bit of a noob question but do they work because i have a pristine one on my fnx and m4 but the gun is still really loud and attracts zombies

[maninthewall 470]

Oh god no not suppressors this game is turning into COD

[chompster 171]

you answered your own question..

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

To be a bit more precise: No, suppressors in the game currently doesn't work.

[hotcakes 348]

They do in a way. The M4 suppressor makes the gun slightly more accurate.

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

Oh god no not suppressors this game is turning into COD

 

Oh god no, not another new player to DayZ that never played the mod.  :P

[maninthewall 470]

Oh god no, not another new player to DayZ that never played the mod.  :P

yeah i registered january 2013 but never played the mod :(((

Edited May 14, 2014 by ManInTheWall

[liquidsnake 275]

Oh god no not suppressors this game is turning into COD

It's not the suppressors, it's the ammo.

We need rare subsonic ammo for each large calibre weapon, so you can't just slap on a suppressor and silence the gun. Conventional ammo does not only negate the silencing by creating a loud bang when breaking the sound barrier, but it also destroys the suppressor. Makes no sense the way it is now

[Chaingunfighter 917]

It's not the suppressors, it's the ammo.

We need rare subsonic ammo for each large calibre weapon, so you can't just slap on a suppressor and silence the gun. Conventional ammo does not only negate the silencing by creating a loud bang when breaking the sound barrier, but it also destroys the suppressor. Makes no sense the way it is now

It wouldn't matter now; suppressors have no effect as of yet.

[MarchHare 184]

<------New player.   Never played the mod.   One more for your list.

[liquidsnake 275]

It wouldn't matter now; suppressors have no effect as of yet.

Yeah, but I still don't like having the suppressor in-game. It gives me the idea that subsonic ammo from the mod isn't returning. Why else would they add the suppressor before SD mags? I'm a bit concerned about that

[Element47 2481]

Yeah, but I still don't like having the suppressor in-game. It gives me the idea that subsonic ammo from the mod isn't returning. Why else would they add the suppressor before SD mags? I'm a bit concerned about that

 

my explanation: attachment system. they added most obvious attachments to test the system with a certain variety of items. the subsonic/silenced mechanics is an entirely different feature. same with cookers that dont cook food. because you know, testing systems and such. what was it called again, i think they had a term for it derived from greek... ah damn, cant remember right now..

Edited May 14, 2014 by e47

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

yeah i registered january 2013 but never played the mod :(((

Get your butt over there and give it a whirl. M4A1 CCO SD…SHIBBY!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpUUI_wRO8#t=17

 

When zombies actually become dangerous, your going to wish for one of these and the last thought in your head is going to be COD.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Weyland Yutani

[hotcakes 348]

It's not the suppressors, it's the ammo.

We need rare subsonic ammo for each large calibre weapon, so you can't just slap on a suppressor and silence the gun. Conventional ammo does not only negate the silencing by creating a loud bang when breaking the sound barrier, but it also destroys the suppressor. Makes no sense the way it is now

 

What the fuck? Yes, there's still a supersonic report, but overall sound is reduced. How do you think the Amphibia S works?

[EndOfDayZ 36]

It's not the suppressors, it's the ammo.

We need rare subsonic ammo for each large calibre weapon, so you can't just slap on a suppressor and silence the gun. Conventional ammo does not only negate the silencing by creating a loud bang when breaking the sound barrier, but it also destroys the suppressor. Makes no sense the way it is now

 

 

Subsonic ammo would be awesome for creating truly silent weapon systems (along with a suppressor)

However silencing a normal large caliber weapon with conventional ammunition is still effective in silencing the weapon a fair amount, and it doesn't destroy the suppressor. 

It makes the discharge of the weapon much quietr, although still quite loud.And you still get the crack from the round, but its much harder to determine the fires position or range compared to a non suppressed shot.

I have put a lot of rounds down range through the HK417, and a fair amount were with the purpose built suppressor snapped on with no ill effect. I was amazed at how loud it still was though, I imagined it would be much quieter (although it was much quieter than normal it was far from silent)

Edited May 14, 2014 by EndOfDayZ

[maninthewall 470]

Get your butt over there and give it a whirl. M4A1 CCO SD…SHIBBY!

 

i hope you realise i was being sarcastic

[ForceRecon (DayZ) 10]

the .45 caliber for the FNX is already subsonic so all we need is some light 5.56 for the m4a1. 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yeah, but I still don't like having the suppressor in-game. It gives me the idea that subsonic ammo from the mod isn't returning. Why else would they add the suppressor before SD mags? I'm a bit concerned about that

Probably just to get the whole effects of attachments out. They wanted to show off and experiment with the different pieces you can put on your gun, and they were part of the process.

Now I doubt we'll get subsonic ammo for a while, as they're focusing on generalized ammo for now, but I wouldn't lose all hope.

 

I'm not too concerned, personally, if subsonic ammunition in itself isn't required. The random dispersion is much more of a concern of mine, regardless.

[Katana67 2907]

A suppressor doesn't need subsonic ammunition to be effective. It does lower the dB level of supersonic ammo, and does modulate the sound. Granted, it's still pretty dern loud being supersonic. But there's a reason people run cans. Makes CQC a bit less messy and minimizes one's audio profile as to make it more difficult to tell the direction of a shot.

 

Had this discussion with Gews a while back, and he brought a lot of good ideas to the table.

 

Subsonic ammunition isn't all that common (save for rounds which are nearly exclusively subsonic). Hell, my Marine buddy said they pretty much only used it for neutralizing guard dogs in Afghanistan. Which isn't an issue, but it's not like suppressors are completely shit without subsonic ammo.

 

However, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to subsonic ammunition as a separate entity in DayZ. But I would also be okay if they left suppressors as modulating, rather than silencing attachments. Or, just went all out and made suppressors "silence" the weapon in traditional Hollywood style.

 

I just think they need to do something, what that something is, is up for debate.

 

The only suppressor that appears to do anything in-game is the integral on the Amphibia S. FNX suppressor does jack shit (even though it fires subsonic .45 ACP), same with the M4 suppressor.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Katana67

[SomeCallMeNomad (DayZ) 89]

Oh god no not suppressors this game is turning into COD

???

What I just read?: "Oh God, not an attachment people use in real life for their guns!"

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

i hope you realise i was being sarcastic

Well, I guess sarcasm isn't your strong suite.

 

I registered during SA, but I started playing the mod in Fall 2012. See the error in that logic?

 

Let's have an example, maybe you registered when you said you did and put up a thread like: Hey, Can I Run DayZ Mod On This Machine? And never played it, or etc.

 

Your original post I quoted [COD post] had zero element of sarcasm and just appeared to be another trollerific post. With the board being in troll mode of late, just looked like business as usual.

 

Post #20 by SomeCallMeNomad doesn't get your sarcasm either, looks troll-esque does it not?

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/195880-suppressors/?p=1973032

Edited May 15, 2014 by Weyland Yutani

[maninthewall 470]

Well, I guess sarcasm isn't your strong suite.

 

I registered during SA, but I started playing the mod in Fall 2012. See the error in that logic?

 

Let's have an example, maybe you registered when you said you did and put up a thread like: Hey, Can I Run DayZ Mod On This Machine? And never played it, or etc.

 

Your original post I quoted [COD post] had zero element of sarcasm and just appeared to be another trollerific post. With the board being in troll mode of late, just looked like business as usual.

 

Post #20 by SomeCallMeNomad doesn't get your sarcasm either, looks troll-esque does it not?

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/195880-suppressors/?p=1973032

No need to write a bible yo, I was simply being sarcastic in my second post, whether you like it or not 

[Katana67 2907]

No need to write a bible yo

 

Seven sentences is a bible?

[-Gews- 7443]

It's not the suppressors, it's the ammo.

We need rare subsonic ammo for each large calibre weapon, so you can't just slap on a suppressor and silence the gun. Conventional ammo does not only negate the silencing by creating a loud bang when breaking the sound barrier, but it also destroys the suppressor. Makes no sense the way it is now

It gives me the idea that subsonic ammo from the mod isn't returning.

The FNX is already subsonic. The Amphibian is meant to be used with normal high-speed ammunition, which is automatically reduced to subsonic velocities as is passes through the ported barrel and integral silencer.

As for 5.56:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/sbir/solicitations/sbir20131/socom131.htm

"Today, there is no sub-sonic ammunition currently type classified for use in the calibers provided by any DoD Service."

So there's no plausible explanation for subsonic 5.56mm being in Chernarus. The main (only?) consumers of subsonic .223/5.56 are civilian shooters who want to make their suppressed weapons as quiet as possible.

Too many disadvantages with subsonic in 5.56:

-"no current sub-sonic rifle round will consistently cycle the action on gas operated weapons"

-tiny bullets, greatly reduced effectiveness, no fragmentation, energy closer to a .22 than to a full-power 5.56

-greatly reduced effective range, trajectory is like a rainbow (ie: ridiculous bullet drop)

With supersonic 5.56 ammunition the suppressor still has numerous advantages.

-much quieter

-less blast and flash

-conceals position and can confuse enemies

Simplified diagram, soundwaves from supersonic bullet

So suppressors can be most useful with supersonic ammunition.

Suppressor on .338 Lapua C14 Timberwolf (supersonic ammunition)

Suppressor on 5.56mm Mk 12 SPR (supersonic ammunition)

Suppressor on 7.62mm M14 (supersonic ammunition)

Although as someone pointed out, in a zombie apocalypse, subsonic 5.56 could be useful... even with all the disadvantages, you could just carry a magazine full of subsonics to use when in situations where silence is important. But without terrifying, deadly zombies those situations would be few and far between.

147-gr subsonic ammunition could be useful with the 9mm CZ-75.

The Russians also had subsonic 5.45 for the AKS-74UB, and subsonic 7.62x39 for the AKM (seems suppressed AKM was/is much more common).

So for the weapons that are currently in-game or currently confirmed (with the exception of the 9mm CZ-75 and the .22s) subsonic ammunition is not needed, and more importantly, would be implausible to find.

[Katana67 2907]

-snip-

 

Although I do have some caveats with regard to your previous discussion (i.e. that subsonic ammunition is used by the US, albeit in limited numbers and that plausibility/likelihood of finding something isn't the sole determinant in what should/shouldn't be in DayZ) I agree wholeheartedly that subsonic ammunition isn't needed for suppressors to be useful.