The TANK Thread

[Daemonkid 493]

Lol, we just won the first world war against the austro ungaric empire, invented the alpine corps and fought british tanks in africa trowing modified mortar shells inside the engine hatch.

 

 

Some people needs to know something before talking.

LEWL. I said military. I never said you were not good fighters. Learn the difference. 

You've had shit military for years. That comes down to experienced leaders and commanders. You have had a great lack of them in the World Wars. 

The invasion of Greece, pisspoor logistics in Africa during WW2 and many other military failures during those wars. Bad Military=/=Bad Fighters.

[falcon1439 20]

Going away from Italy's military failures, I think armoured vehicles would be okay as long as they were a bitch to maintain/repair. Improvised armoured vehicles like bulldozers with steel bolted on would be amazing! Even just vehicle crafting would be amazing!

[lipemr 160]

It's fun. We don't have even a bike yet and people want tanks :-D.

 

Anyway unless devs lost their mind, they will not add tanks, so yeah, go ahead and describe your wildest tank fantasies in this thread :-).

 

Oh yes, vehicles that are immune to bullets, have a gun on top, and can drive people over even without ammo

 

i couldn't possibly see how this could be exploited in a weird way...

 

 

i really don't think tanks would add to the gameplay, and i don't know if tanks are operable by an every-day-guy

also, there is allready wasteland doing this, and when (or if) the moddability comes to DayZ, this sure will be possible with arma 2 tanks

 

right now i would be glad if we had normal cars or bikes, and the running toned down a bit

 

personally i would like to keep the survival feeling of dayz, and don't need to worry about carrying an RPG with AT ammo all the damn time because there is a tank rolling around in chernarus

 

i guess a vodnik with tires you can shoot and without a gun would be okay, but full-on tanks.... meh

 

you never served in the military, did you?

 

APCs are basically just a heavy truck engine with a armoured case over its chassi, They are not immune to bullets. Actually, one or two shots in two of its tires will disable it.

 

They're as easy to drive and operate as an old truck or trailer. The only nasty thing about driving it is its weight, once you get speed, you wont be able to stop easy.

 

APCs and even battle tanks are MUCH, MUCH more realistic to have than stupid choppers that require daily maintenance and years of learning to operate it. Yet there's a lot of people that want it on the game.

 

People overreact too much about armoured vehicles, they wont be even near as gamebreaking as choppers. They're slow, the gunner is terribly exposed, you can shoot the tires out (or explode the treads with a grenade/IED) and a molotov upon it will make the crew burn to death in minutes.

 

Choppers, on the other hand, make hiding in the woods or having a base with vehicles hidden somewhere pointless, as there will always be that no-life clan of trolls that will scan the entire map daily and destroy everything that they cant carry.

 

The map itself is too small for air vehicles, and make the group that get their hands on a chopper be readily available in any place of the map in less than 5 minutes.

Edited May 12, 2014 by lipemr

[lipemr 160]

But there's no guarantee that there will be multiple teams fighting over them and a whole clan could just have all of them, or all the resources for them.

It would divert some attention away from the coast yes, but only for a while. And also no sane solo KoSer would bother going up North if they were obviously going to get bombed so it encourages solo players or small groups to just dig in and enjoy ruining the game for coast spawns.

 

I don't see how they could have vehicles not respawning completely work properly, if people left then they'd just be leaving this armoured up car or a tank for anyone to find so that just makes it even easier because it's already set up.

Then there's helicopters too, finding the tanks would be both a piece of cake and take no time at all.

 

Most KoS cowards aren't interested in fighting people who might actually kill them.

 

if the solo 'KoSer' wont go north, he wont get good gear and will only kill you if you suck at the game.

 

So stop blaming people's attitude when you run in the middle of elektro wanting to hug people, you'll learn in some time that the game's core is not about that, never was and never will be.

[xalienax 621]

if the solo 'KoSer' wont go north, he wont get good gear and will only kill you if you suck at the game.

 

So stop blaming people's attitude when you run in the middle of elektro wanting to hug people, you'll learn in some time that the game's core is not about that, never was and never will be.

Ive decided to spend this week fresh spawn hunting as a result of all the KoS cry babies around here. I'll make sure to tell them while hand handcuffed swallowing disinfectant that its all bcause someone on the forums made another anti-Pvp Post :)

 

hey if eveyone is going to complain about how big a problem it is i might as well make sure its actually a REAL problem. hmm.. maybe i can find the exact spawn point and camp them..

[Skyelur 57]

Your talking about attacking/ambushing tanks with IED and such, does this sound like a zombie apocalypse?

[King of kong 1117]

T-55s aren't used in Chernarus and you're be more likely to find the T-72 or BMP2

[lipemr 160]

Your talking about attacking/ambushing tanks with IED and such, does this sound like a zombie apocalypse?

 

of course not, after the outbreak, god deleted all the tanks from the world, despite the inumerous military camps and tank wrecks scattered around chernarus.

 

There's no such things as "does this sound as zombie apocalipse". Did you experienced it to be able to tell what it would be like?

 

Ambushing and disabling tanks, then camping it waiting for the occupants to hop out would be one of the best things to do in the game. It would be much more rewarding than being seen 800 meters away by a helicopter, while hidden in the middle of the forest, thanks to the shitty rendering distance that RV engine has, then dying for a pinpoint accuracy m240 spray from the damn huey.

 

Without mention the metagaming that will happen once bases are in the game, you wont have any chance to defend your base, as a clan will just keep getting their buddies in the coast and dropping them again in your base.

 

If people want helicopters, there should be tanks, i'm all for having none of these both, just the option to rig your vehicle up with metal plates.

Edited May 13, 2014 by lipemr

[Skyelur 57]

of course not, after the outbreak, god deleted all the tanks from the world, despite the inumerous military camps and tank wrecks scattered around chernarus.

 

There's no such things as "does this sound as zombie apocalipse". Did you experienced it to be able to tell what it would be like?

 

Ambushing and disabling tanks, then camping it waiting for the occupants to hop out would be one of the best things to do in the game. It would be much more rewarding than being seen 800 meters away by a helicopter, while hidden in the middle of the forest, thanks to the shitty rendering distance that RV engine has, then dying for a pinpoint accuracy m240 spray from the damn huey.

 

Without mention the metagaming that will happen once bases are in the game, you wont have any chance to defend your base, as a clan will just keep getting their buddies in the coast and dropping them again in your base.

 

If people want helicopters, there should be tanks, i'm all for having none of these both, just the option to rig your vehicle up with metal plates.

 

 

Of course, but what makes you think a CIVILIAN can operate one? Do you have any idea how you would even get the shells loaded in the tank? How would a civilian be able to carry a tank shell? In their back pocket, or maybe their hunting backpack? Do you have any idea how much gasoline is required for a tank?

[gibonez 3633]

Of course, but what makes you think a CIVILIAN can operate one? Do you have any idea how you would even get the shells loaded in the tank? How would a civilian be able to carry a tank shell? In their back pocket, or maybe their hunting backpack? Do you have any idea how much gasoline is required for a tank?

 

Same logic can be applied to helicopters.

 

This is why I dont get why people are so against tanks yet are perfectly fine with adding helicopters and other air vehicles.

[Samuri_Bake_Pie 96]

I posted this about a month back and received nothing but hate. Although much more detailed then mine. 

[Skyelur 57]

Same logic can be applied to helicopters.

 

This is why I dont get why people are so against tanks yet are perfectly fine with adding helicopters and other air vehicles.

 

 

They never said they will have helicopters. They actually said they WONT have armed helicopters

[lipemr 160]

Of course, but what makes you think a CIVILIAN can operate one? Do you have any idea how you would even get the shells loaded in the tank? How would a civilian be able to carry a tank shell? In their back pocket, or maybe their hunting backpack? Do you have any idea how much gasoline is required for a tank?

 

when did you read me saying that i want combat tanks? i'm talking about APCs, that things that use tires and usually have a stabilized m240 or m2 (this one should be in the game, but with its particularities well simulated, like having to change the barrel after ~190 shots, misfiring (M2's with bad ammo are bitches) and so) on top of it, you know?

 

Battle tanks would push the line too much, as these ones would be much more problematic to operate.

 

But an APC/LAV is almost identical to a car to drive, and a common MG like a m240/MAG or M2 are easy as fuck to operate. And they are as easy to drive as they're easy to disable, you take out 2 tires and you're just a potato in the oven waiting to be cooked (yay molotovs).

Edited May 13, 2014 by lipemr

[noother10 6]

My own opinion would be for vanilla/standard DayZ SA, no tanks. Now that isn't to say no tanks ever, perhaps have them made and available within the game for private hives that want them for some specific gameplay element.

 

But I'd say yes to somewhat fortifying vehicles, especially if the physics system can deal with them. If I find a bus and stick metal plates or logs on the front so I can ram broken vehicles, zombies and other things out of the way while traveling through a city without taking heavy damage to the vehicle, I'm all for it as long as there are consequences, like increased fuel usage, and make the handling worse due to the extra weight. If it can be done via the physics systems, perhaps if you've not balanced it correctly, you could roll over much more easily.

 

I can see private servers/hives setup for more specific types of players like having more military vehicles and weapons for a combat focused server, or less vehicles/weapons/supply for a survival focused server. So why not have some things in there that are useful for various scenarios but might not be normally available on vanilla? So perhaps just stick with things that fit the dev's design for DayZ which would be normal vehicles, perhaps with the ability to strap things to them to make them better suited to the environment and use, while maybe adding some extra things for private hives to use.

 

One thing though I'd like to see is extremely low chance things on the public hive which may very well be a tank or plane or combat chopper. Something that maybe once a map on a server you play on daily you'd see and think "Wow!" as a sort of event or something to break up the standard play. It could be stuff like a super zombie, an NPC event, zombie animals or who knows.

[liquidsnake 275]

I'd be fine with it if they're extremely rare (like helis in the mod) and if the ammo is as rare as an AS50 was. .50 BMGs penetrate everything up to APCs, and ruin the tracks of a T-72 in a few well placed shots, so what's the big deal? Also, if they'd make the visibility as low as it actually is in a tank, they'll have a hard time even seeing us. The real anti-player strength of the tanks/APCs should be the MG on the top, which'd require you to be exposed. 

The only problem is that even once they're disabled, players in tanks can't get killed without a huge effort. APCs would definitely be good

[UltimateGentleman 355]

if the solo 'KoSer' wont go north, he wont get good gear and will only kill you if you suck at the game.

 

So stop blaming people's attitude when you run in the middle of elektro wanting to hug people, you'll learn in some time that the game's core is not about that, never was and never will be.

 

How does getting sniped from miles away when you couldn't possibly see someone make you suck at the game? Or if they're in a wall somewhere, or if you just plain get ambushed.

 

The games core is also not just about murdering everyone you see and it's like what 99% of the players do, the point is giving them tanks and giving them even more firepower to do so is fucking retarded. Non KoS and legitimate PVP should be encouraged not just "Hurr durr Im such a badass killin ppl on the coast when they have nothin"

[hombrecz 832]

 

This is why I dont get why people are so against tanks yet are perfectly fine with adding helicopters and other air vehicles.

 

This is very easy to answer.

 

Helis were in vanilla Dayz mod as well. People liked the horror of hearing one and scrambling to hide in a bush.

I got also some fond memories of me driving car and being pursued by heli, was intense as f*k.

Flying one was also damn good feeling!

 

Let's not forget that Huey & Littlebird was a LOT more easily destoryed then tank.

If they were close enough, you could do some nice damage with weapons like AKM or such. You did not need rocket launcher to destroy or immobilie a heli.

 

So even if I understand your point that helis are lot more hard to maintain and pilot than tank, the thing is, heli did not pose such a threat as MBT would.

And surely, if they introduced tanks, we would need RPG's to protect against them and while both tanks and RPG's would be possible to find in basicaly any European country, I really don't think the changes it would bring to the gameplay are what DayZ is about.

 

Let's wait for modding, then surely there will be some mods with tanks and hell even with jets.

 

p.s. I'd like bigger variety of boats. Also wish some river was connected to the sea and you could travel inland on a boat.

 

[lipemr 160]

How does getting sniped from miles away when you couldn't possibly see someone make you suck at the game? Or if they're in a wall somewhere, or if you just plain get ambushed.

 

The games core is also not just about murdering everyone you see and it's like what 99% of the players do, the point is giving them tanks and giving them even more firepower to do so is fucking retarded. Non KoS and legitimate PVP should be encouraged not just "Hurr durr Im such a badass killin ppl on the coast when they have nothin"

 

then get out of your lamecore server and join a hardcore one.

 

And if you expose yourself to snipers, you suck at this game. Deal with it. People always snipe at the same places, you're bad or dumb if you expose yourself to known sniping locations without at least zig-zagging while running.

 

Plus a LRS for the mosin is very unlikely to find in the coast, they're nasty to find even in loot clusterfucks like NWAF, so your argument is invalid. Stop using people's attitude as an excuse for your lack of ability.

 

If "giving more firepower" (wat? a tank would be more like defensive power) would make people kill on sight more, we wouldnt have bambies punching each other to death in the coast. Get your facts straight.

 

You're only against the idea cause you know that you wouldnt be good enough to disable one and would get even more wrecked by the people that already kill you while you sit down in balota prison's windows.

Edited May 13, 2014 by lipemr

[lipemr 160]

This is very easy to answer.

 

Helis were in vanilla Dayz mod as well. People liked the horror of hearing one and scrambling to hide in a bush.

I got also some fond memories of me driving car and being pursued by heli, was intense as f*k.

Flying one was also damn good feeling!

 

Let's not forget that Huey & Littlebird was a LOT more easily destoryed then tank.

If they were close enough, you could do some nice damage with weapons like AKM or such. You did not need rocket launcher to destroy or immobilie a heli.

 

So even if I understand your point that helis are lot more hard to maintain and pilot than tank, the thing is, heli did not pose such a threat as MBT would.

And surely, if they introduced tanks, we would need RPG's to protect against them and while both tanks and RPG's would be possible to find in basicaly any European country, I really don't think the changes it would bring to the gameplay are what DayZ is about.

 

Let's wait for modding, then surely there will be some mods with tanks and hell even with jets.

 

p.s. I'd like bigger variety of boats. Also wish some river was connected to the sea and you could travel inland on a boat.

 

 

yeah, you need a RPG to disable an APC  :rolleyes:

 

Clueless carebear is clueless.

[hombrecz 832]

yeah, you need a RPG to disable an APC  :rolleyes:

 

Clueless carebear is clueless.

 

When a tank was called APC?

Clueless KOS'er is clueless  :rolleyes: .

 

Also lets add cruisers, submarines and jets!

It feels so gooood to prawn all that n00bs at the beach riiiight?

Edited May 13, 2014 by Hombre

[lipemr 160]

When a tank was called APC?

Clueless KOS'er is clueless  :rolleyes: .

 

Also lets add cruisers, submarines and jets!

It feels so gooood to prawn all that n00bs at the beach riiiight?

 

you really lack arguments, dont you?

 

"Tank" is just a generic word people use to describe an armored vehicle.

 

But ok, keep with your sensationalist approach to this discussion, it saves the time that we would waste making you look stupid, as you do it by yourself.

 

Now go back to elektro and try to hug the sniper on the hill, then cry to your mom that he killed you.

[hombrecz 832]

you really lack arguments, dont you?

 

"Tank" is just a generic word people use to describe an armored vehicle.

 

But ok, keep with your sensationalist approach to this discussion, it saves the time that we would waste making you look stupid, as you do it by yourself.

 

Now go back to elektro and try to hug the sniper on the hill, then cry to your mom that he killed you.

 

You are a funny dude. Lacking any real arguments, you came up with your fantasy, that tank is not a tank, and to give your stupid post any credibility, you then continue to call me "a carebear".

 

Oh boy, they really did a bad job on you in the school, didn't they?

Or you have not finished your high school and there is a hope for you yet.

 

Anyway keep on flexing your e-muscles, maybe somebody will fall for it as unlikely that might be  :lol:

[Nesuma (DayZ) 108]

 

I don't see the point in ships either there's like no reason to go in the water, there's not even much of it. Maybe if they added some off shore town or island with good loot but why, still just makes it more of a war game since anything good would be weaponry.

 

Someone explain to me why they "should" be in the game, I'm seeing that a lot in this thread, why should they be in a survival game? Who the fuck has that as a priority over not starving to death?

 

Only for everything done to the car/tank to be reset in a few hours anyway, with the amount of time it would realistically take to set up the kind of crap mentioned in this thread the server would be almost resetting so it's even more pointless.

1.1 Mobiltiy along the coast, if they add rivers you have a good vehicle overall.

1.2 Way to the 2 islands already ingame

1.3 Swimming tent ( if you can actually log out in a boat)

2.1 You are safe

2.2 Something for end-game

2.3 Tbh, starving shouldn't be the ultimate priority after having a character alive for weeks

3. Why should a server restart reset your vehicle?

Edited May 13, 2014 by Nesuma

[lipemr 160]

You are a funny dude. Lacking any real arguments, you came up with your fantasy, that tank is not a tank, and to give your stupid post any credibility, you then continue to call me "a carebear".

 

Oh boy, they really did a bad job on you in the school, didn't they?

Or you have not finished your high school and there is a hope for you yet.

 

Anyway keep on flexing your e-muscles, maybe somebody will fall for it as unlikely that might be  :lol:

 

"The name "tank" was adopted by the British during the early stages of their development, as a security measure to conceal their purpose."

 

The real name for armored vehicles is combat cars/vehicles. So a LAV, APC or whatever can be called a tank, but as this can cause confusion and almost no one uses the proper name, they use the name tank only to heavy armored vehicles that run on treads.

 

And it was you that started this nonsense sensationalism with your "tanks? what then? jets? submarines? derp".

 

If you're not going to contribute to the topic, just leave. We're having a decent discussion here, bringing balancing and facts to the table. Your personal opinion have absolutely no value to this discussion.

Edited May 13, 2014 by lipemr

[hombrecz 832]

"The name "tank" was adopted by the British during the early stages of their development, as a security measure to conceal their purpose."

 

The real name for armored vehicles is combat cars/vehicles. So a LAV, APC or whatever can be called a tank, get your facts straight.

 

And it was you that started this nonsense sensationalism with your "tanks? what then? jets? submarines? derp".

 

If you're not going to contribute to the topic, just leave. We're having a decent discussion here, bringing balancing and facts to the table. Your personal opinion have absolutely no value to this discussion.

 

 

LAV or APC is not called a tank by anybody except maybe you. Since you googled the word tank, why did not you phrase:

 

"

 Modern tanks are strong mobile land weapons platforms, mounting a large-calibre cannon in a rotating gun turret. They combine this with heavy vehicle armour providing protection for the crew of the weapon and operational mobility, which allows them to position on the battlefield in advantageous locations.

"

 

So again, by saying tank, majority of people would think of....a tank as if with tracks, huge cannon and lots of armor.

So nothing you could disable with weapons we have in DayZ, as you have boldly (and wrongly) stated.

 

Just give it a rest and/or stop trolling, good night.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Hombre