I'm Not DUPID!

[Sinphaltimus 262]

 

Remember folks, perception is everything, reality is not always what it seems.

 

Last night I got killed for and accused of duping. I was so miffed by it that I didn't log off right away. Thinking the "dupe Police" might get my user name and go on a smear campaign, I decided to cut this clip as  my defense to keep my name clear.

 

I hate cheaters. I know folks who dupe and I will have nothing to do with it, they will tell you. if you dupe, i will leave the server and go play elsewhere. So being accused of duping hit me personally as a matter of principle.

 

Don't be DUPID! (yeah, i think I'm the first to coin that phrase).

 

I'm no duper!

Edited May 5, 2014 by Sinphaltimus

[nl 986]

Well technically you WERE duping but I believe you it wasn't intentional. I can't really blame "yellow guy" for killing you, I would probably have done the same in his position.

[Element47 2481]

even if you originally didnt intend to dupe, you went to loot your copy. the "hey man i can shoot your body so you have more ammo." shoutout aint helping your case either.

 

to be honest, i dont really care. this is a glitch that needs addressing, and thats what this stage of development is for. the more frustration people express, the higher the chance it gets a higher priority. but i really cant blame the yellow guy for shooting you for this

[Sinphaltimus 262]

I get it. I don't blame the guy NOW, I was pissed when it happened. 

I can't really explain what was going on beyond what I put in the video. Even when I went to loot the body, i didn't really believe it was a dupe, I wasn't sure what was going on. My partner knew I guess because he saw 2 of us but i wasn't really completely familiar with how I looked. And the inventory didn't match 100%, there was a lot of emptiness to it. I really was half thinking it could have been someone else logging out or something.

I'm pretty sure if we KoS'ed "Yellow Guy" and I came to terms with the fact that yes, I did somehow end up with a dupe of myself, we would have looted it just as if it were another body. 

But, there's no way I would intentionally do that to circumvent looting.

And I agree, i would probably have done the same and reacted the same as "Yellow Guy". I just wanted to get my video out before he traced me down to my YouTube channel and user accounts with a video that shows i'm some kind of cheater. That would have really bothered me to no end.

[Scott61 93]

Yup,your Dupid!

[Sinphaltimus 262]

Stupid maybe but not dupid.

 

Edit: oh..and..."you're"

Edited May 5, 2014 by Sinphaltimus

[hitt0r 78]

HA! great video!

 

Glad that guy took you out. It wasn't your fault that your character was duped, HOWEVER... you should have hidden your body immediately not looted it.

 

Verdict: Guilty.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

Lol. I wasn't convinced it was my body. And we were in the middle of an encounter. Anyway, I rest my case. What I should have done was shot yellow guy in the face and sorted out the weirdness afterwards.

[hitt0r 78]

Yes your priorities were all wrong, in the middle of an encounter i wouldn't be concerned with the loot [duped or not duped], but the yellow raincoat guy!

 

Actions speak louder than words. I understand your rational behind making the video, a pre-emptive strike in-case your name is dragged through the mud but you have achieved that already by making this video which proves you looting your own duped body.

 

The facts are:

 

02:43 - Your mate on team speak says "i can shoot your old body and you can have more ammo" - he obviously knows the score which would indicate that this isn't the first time this has happened.

6 Seconds later you looting it.

 

like i said actions speak louder than words and yours unfortunately speaks volumes which don't go in your favour - i wish there were more yellow raincoat guys out there! :)

 

Edit: the only thing which goes in your favour is your reason for logging out was due to the scope glitch and was legitimate. This sadly resulted in the dupe and unfortunately you tried taking advantage of the accidental dupe situation and provided your guilt, which was the opposite agenda of making this video lol.

Edited May 5, 2014 by hitt0r

[Sinphaltimus 262]

I can't explain everything going through my head at that time but it never really registered what he said. I actually thought he had yellow guy covered and I could go and investigate this other body. I have never duped myself before and looking at the inventory I didn't see all my items. In the heat of the moment things are very confusing hence my not talking too much (there was too much internal dialog going on in my head). It happened so quickly but having a video to review over and over again it's's easy to nit pick every frame.

 

In real time with very little time to grasp what was actually happening, it's a very different feeling.

 

I stand by my integrity. If that's not enough, oh Fucking well. I believe duping should be a ban-able offense. I think of it like I do hacking. If it is a ban-able offense, my video should at least show I don't deserve to be banned. That was my only concern really. Didn't want to get reported for something I didn't do.

 

 

I presented the video with all the facts despite knowing what it shows. That is deliberate. I expected some criticism for it. But it didn't change my stance or my defense. 

 

You have a problem with me looting a duped body, I have a problem with being accused of duping. Two separate issues with or without further explanation. 

 

EDIT: fixed a lot of errors and typos due to using cell phone.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Sinphaltimus

[I think my Leg is Broken 46]

Let me see if I understand this. You duped. You got killed for it. But you don't like being called a duper. So you came here to show everyone that you duped and got shot for it, so that you could argue that you're not a duper because you don't like the term being applied to you.

 

So it's kind of like, getting into a fight doesn't make you a boxer. Fixing a faucet doesn't make you a plumber. That's your logic, right? So you're talking about the generalisation of being labelled a duper as a consequence for your one-time actions. Yeah?

 

Thing is, you heard what your friend said. You were clearly aware that your character had duped as you totally ignored it when you respawned. Yellow guy even shouted out not to do it, but you did it anyway. Then Yellow guy shot you both for great justice and you got pissed off about it and called him a faggot.

 

The video looks like you knew what was happening. Adding "uh... wut" text just before you do it doesn't change that after the fact. So in this instance being called a duper is apt. As long as you don't do it again then no worries. Game is alpha, shit happens. No one's gonna hold it against you in the long run. Props to Yellow guy for spanking you both when he was outnumbered.

[conan the librarian 99]

OP is a duper - and he has kindly provided the evidence to hang himself out to dry.

 

What an idiot.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

Lol. Worst trolls ever. I have never duped on purpose. That much is obvious in the video. I get this dupe by some glitch and that makes me a duper? Sorry but you guys are the idiots if you really believe that or just bad at being trolls. You really think I would post myself cheating as proof I wasn't. Come now, you're smarter than that right? Right?

[I think my Leg is Broken 46]

Lol. Worst trolls ever. I have never duped on purpose. That much is obvious in the video. I get this dupe by some glitch and that makes me a duper? Sorry but you guys are the idiots if you really believe that or just bad at being trolls. You really think I would post myself cheating as proof I wasn't. Come now, you're smarter than that right? Right?

 

Not really sure what you're trying to achieve here. In future it might be best to just keep it to yourself.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

Let me see if I understand this. You duped. You got killed for it. But you don't like being called a duper. So you came here to show everyone that you duped and got shot for it, so that you could argue that you're not a duper because you don't like the term being applied to you.

 

So it's kind of like, getting into a fight doesn't make you a boxer. Fixing a faucet doesn't make you a plumber. That's your logic, right? So you're talking about the generalisation of being labelled a duper as a consequence for your one-time actions. Yeah?

 

Thing is, you heard what your friend said. You were clearly aware that your character had duped as you totally ignored it when you respawned. Yellow guy even shouted out not to do it, but you did it anyway. Then Yellow guy shot you both for great justice and you got pissed off about it and called him a faggot.

 

The video looks like you knew what was happening. Adding "uh... wut" text just before you do it doesn't change that after the fact. So in this instance being called a duper is apt. As long as you don't do it again then no worries. Game is alpha, shit happens. No one's gonna hold it against you in the long run. Props to Yellow guy for spanking you both when he was outnumbered.

 

 

Rather than repeat myself, i'll cut and past then edit down a response I posted on my channel to someone who thinks they know what I knew..

 

 

...... you can't even accept the idea that you are wrong. I know what I thought and I know my intentions, I did not even fully realize that was a dupe until after I died and you wouldn't know that because you can't hear my thoughts in the video which is why I included text. Your mental immaturity shows you can't even think a little or accept the possibility that what you think you see is not what really happened. I am well aware of the controversy and criticism I would stir up when I posted this. But I underestimated the amount of idiocy it would bring to the surface.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

Not really sure what you're trying to achieve here. In future it might be best to just keep it to yourself.

 

No man, regardless, I like to share my DayZ experiences with the community. I can't help the kinds of responses I get but it sure shows me a lot about the kind of people we have here.

either way I'm with this thread. i shared, i commented, got criticized and attempted to clarify. i don't think there is any value left in continuing along these lines. Someday you'll expand your narrow thinking process and see the world in a new light where "I might be wrong about this" will enter the forefront of your thoughts before you thinking you know anything about anyone despite what you see right in front of your face.

 

 If the situation was the other way around, i would have done and probably said the same things YG did.

I completely understand and am OK with what Yellow Guy did, I had an issue with it when it happened but being able to share and post my version of the story makes the entire situation OK. it would have bothered me to have this come back to me from "yellow Guys" point of view only since I am trying to be an active and supportive community member and I am not a duper or hacker or anything like that. That was my only purpose in even starting this. all other speculation and arguments are meaningless, including you and yours.

[I think my Leg is Broken 46]

 

Rather than repeat myself, i'll cut and past then edit down a response I posted on my channel to someone who thinks they know what I knew..

 

 

...... you can't even accept the idea that you are wrong. I know what I thought and I know my intentions, I did not even fully realize that was a dupe until after I died and you wouldn't know that because you can't hear my thoughts in the video which is why I included text. Your mental immaturity shows you can't even think a little or accept the possibility that what you think you see is not what really happened. I am well aware of the controversy and criticism I would stir up when I posted this. But I underestimated the amount of idiocy it would bring to the surface.

 

 

What am I supposed to take from that? are you calling me an idiot now? Be clear.

 

No one's claiming to know what you were thinking at the time. They are basing their opinions on what you showed us in the video. It's funny, because you seem to be unable to accept the idea that the video portrays you as acting with some kind of intent, even if you were thinking something completely different. Also, calling a spade a spade in this situation is apt. You duped. The guy saw you doing it and shot you for it. He called you on what he saw was happening. Just because you might have been mentally oblivious to the fact at the time doesn't change what it was.

 

Take your lumps and move on, don't do it again, pay attention to what is going on in front of you in future, and don't make silly videos about and then call other people idiots when they disagree with you.

[odin_lowe 3686]

Let me see if I understand this. You duped. You got killed for it. But you don't like being called a duper. So you came here to show everyone that you duped and got shot for it, so that you could argue that you're not a duper because you don't like the term being applied to you.

 

So it's kind of like, getting into a fight doesn't make you a boxer. Fixing a faucet doesn't make you a plumber. That's your logic, right? So you're talking about the generalisation of being labelled a duper as a consequence for your one-time actions. Yeah?

 

Thing is, you heard what your friend said. You were clearly aware that your character had duped as you totally ignored it when you respawned. Yellow guy even shouted out not to do it, but you did it anyway. Then Yellow guy shot you both for great justice and you got pissed off about it and called him a faggot.

 

The video looks like you knew what was happening. Adding "uh... wut" text just before you do it doesn't change that after the fact. So in this instance being called a duper is apt. As long as you don't do it again then no worries. Game is alpha, shit happens. No one's gonna hold it against you in the long run. Props to Yellow guy for spanking you both when he was outnumbered.

Have you watched the video? Did he say "Wait here, I'll log in and out to dupe some items." or " Wait here, I'll log in and out to try and fix this SKS glitch where I can't aim down the iron sights." You seem to have chosen your answer.

 

Let me get this straight. Every one who glitched through a wall and got stuck in it is an exploiter/cheater/hacker right? Even if a zombie push you in a wall, you did it on purpose right?

 

His friend clearly knew about the glitch and wanted to make some extra items out of it, but no matter what happened, Sinphaltimus clearly had no intentions to dupe, and that's very important in my opinion.

 

Intentions behind actions shows who we really are, and not the actions themselves.

 

Anyway, to each his own. Respect.

[I think my Leg is Broken 46]

Have you watched the video? Did he say "Wait here, I'll log in and out to dupe some items." or " Wait here, I'll log in and out to try and fix this SKS glitch where I can't aim down the iron sights." You seem to have chosen your answer.

 

Let me get this straight. Every one who glitched through a wall and got stuck in it is an exploiter/cheater/hacker right? Even if a zombie push you in a wall, you did it on purpose right?

 

His friend clearly knew about the glitch and wanted to make some extra items out of it, but no matter what happened, Sinphaltimus clearly had no intentions to dupe, and that's very important in my opinion.

 

Intentions behind actions shows who we really are, and not the actions themselves.

 

Anyway, to each his own. Respect.

 

I think you've inferred the opposite of what I was trying to say. I made emphasis that I was referring to this particular situation in italics, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough about that. It'd be a whole other bag of apples if Yellow guy came bursting in accusing him of duping when he hadn't done anything.

 

Anyhow, I agree that intent is an important consideration, but not solely. Otherwise, we could never be held responsible for our actions. Sinphaltimus said it was a matter of principle. He didn't intend to dupe. But that's failing to take into account what he actually did. Like pride obscuring the facts of the situation. I think most of us are seeing it from Yellow guy's perspective.

[khrononkey 38]

Meh, you did nothing wrong. Hindsight is always 20/20.

 

First time this happened to me in the mod I panicked and shot my own bugged corpse thinking someone had been following me when I logged out to fix a bug. Took me a few minutes to piece it together, and that was alone in the woods. Not with a random dude and a friend adding to the situation. And anyone flaming you would loot their corpse too.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

It's like talking to a wall. YG did nothing wrong. He is justified in his actions, the video is so YG could see the other side of what really took place. Instead of an intelligent debate, I'm being told I don't even know that I am a cheater and I should accept the fact I am and stop being in denial. When in fact the only denial happening is that what I am presenting is false in your eyes. That the only truth to the story is the video minus any text I put in after the fact.

 

There's nothing wrong with seeing it from Yellow Guys perspective. Watching the video I totally get that, why is it so hard to accept it from my perspective?

 

Which leads to the minute frustration with trying to communicate with closed minded people. Believe what you want, at this point, I don't give a fuck. My reputation with people I do game with and my other videos speak for themselves. This video was an attempt to hopefully show YG my perspective.

 

I would have probably have done the exact same thing he did if the tables were turned.

 

Your supposed to know what's going through my mind because I'm telling you in plain text. Geeze. Why did I even bother to write this? I thought I was done. Perhaps I'm hopeful some good will come of it. 

EDIT: Fixed a lot more typos due to using cell phone and not proof reading before posting.

Edited May 6, 2014 by Sinphaltimus

[I think my Leg is Broken 46]

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You've approached this whole thing in a really convoluted and unnecessary way. You posted a video of you duping in a situation where there were lots of indications of what was happening, then tried to explain that you weren't thinking straight. I still don't really understand why you drew attention to the situation in the first place. If YG did nothing wrong then why even post a video about it? If it was a one time thing, then just let it slide and learn from your lapse of situational awareness. No one's holding it against you, man.

[Bearrick 0]

Wow, ok guys its not called duping. Its called glitch exploitation.....
granted he probably didn't know about it, like most players when they first stumble onto a glitch they take advantage of it, some keep abusing it, others might just get lucky and come across it more often.

I dont believe the OP was actually trying to hack the system, if he was he wouldn't put this shit up on here, but I think his video also would help the devs know about a glitch in the game that they need to fix.