What should be the civilian 5.56 rifle ?

[Katana67 2907]

Edit: What I meant was overused. Every damn movie and game has a metric fuckton of western tacticool crap, and all I want is my rugged pact weaponry. Too much to ask?

 

Not at all. It just doesn't have to come at the expense of something else, meaning "western" weaponry/ammunition.

 

We can, and do, have both.

 

Likewise, "tacticool" as is used on these forums (meaning, in a serious matter-of-fact manner) is insanely vitriolic. How would you like it if I dismissed your precious Warsaw Pact weapons as irrelevant outdated garbage? I don't believe that, but it's the same derogatory meaning.

[taco86 156]

Not exactly sure what 5.45x39mm has to do within this full length ar-15 thread, but I'll bite none the less...

 

Last I heard, the dayz team was thinking about not adding 5.45x39mm and instead chambering the ak74 and it's variants in 5.56x45mm.  Of course the forums exploded and a thread was started and eventually closed by a mod (w/o explenation mind you).  Prior to the thread being closed, a poll popped up with the vast majority of people favoring all weapons receiving their real world ammunition...  Hopefully, the devs have listened and 7.62x54 and 5.45x39mm will be added.  As for western tacticool "crap" showing up in every movie...  The same can easily be said about the cliche pact weaponry as well as they are no strangers to hollywood.

 

Now to get back on topic...  Here is a nice free floating "civie" ar-15... A.R.M.S. SPR full length rail and 20 inch stainless 1/7th Kreiger.  Essentially a mk12 spr but with a tiny bit more muzzle energy.

 

 

 

I'd still rather have a mk12mod0 though...  Could be tossed into heli crash site spawns with m4a1...  Both the mk12 and m4a1 are heavily used within SOCOM making it "lore" worthy for both weapons to be in downed blackhawks.

Edited June 14, 2014 by taco86

[Katana67 2907]

Now to get back on topic...  Here is a nice free floating "civie" ar-15... A.R.M.S. SPR full length rail and 20 inch stainless 1/7th Kreiger.  Essentially a mk12 spr but with a tiny bit more muzzle energy

 

I'd still rather have a mk12mod0 though...  Could be tossed into heli crash site spawns with m4a1...  Both the mk12 and m4a1 are heavily used within SOCOM making it "lore" worthy for both weapons to be in downed blackhawks.

 

Well, in fairness, the Mk 12 is being phased out in favor of (among others, like the Mk 20) the M110. At least within SOCOM. Pretty sure the USMC uses the Mk 12, but I'd have to look at the projections again to see if it was just SOCOM.

 

But the most important bit is that the Mk 12 was in ARMA II.

 

I'd rather have a 7.62x51 AR-10 variant, or SCAR variant, than an SPR. But, in lieu of that, and in conjunction with Torchia's recent mulling of a "mid-length AR-15" to replace the M16, I think the SPR would be a good way to go.

 

But then again, this thread is specifically dealing with "civilian" spawns. And I'm not sure I'd want a Mk 12, or Mk 12 analog, spawning alongside Mosins.

Edited June 14, 2014 by Katana67

[Yuval 221]

It's not against the licensing at all, unless I redistribute them to people who don't own the game, which I haven't done. Besides, the devs don't seem to care. Hell, they hid a file called "AS50_TWS" which was really just a low-poly model of text saying; "TROLOLOLOLOL", because they knew people would look into the files.

 

 

 

Why does something as ubiquitous as 5.56x45mm have to be limited to military weapons? I can understand certain rifle cartridges should be limited, but 5.56x45mm itself isn't going to cause too much deviation. You're very heavily limiting the possible weapon choice you can have if you have to make one caliber be standardized for "civilian" or "military" weapon spawns.

Even then, 5.56x45mm is pretty consistent with what it has. Most 5.56x45mm guns are rifles, and the rest are largely light-machine guns (there are a few other types, but they're few and far). I don't see too much of a problem with a bolt-action and semi-automatic rifle that just happens to use the same ammunition as an M4A1 and maybe a couple of other ARs such as the Galil, HK-51, G36, or AK-102 and FN Minimi/M249. Sure, you're still going to have problems with that, but almost all of the weapons it will have are long arms.

It's not like 7.62x51mm which is used in break-action pistols, bolt-action rifles, semi-automatic/automatic battle rifles, select-fire rifles, sniper rifles, and all sorts of stuff.

 

I'm just not in favor of forcibly leaving out guns because they use a caliber that more powerful weapons already in-game use. It's really just doing the same things the devs are doing for the opposite reasons; instead of keeping them out because we want to limit the calibers, you're keeping them out because you want to limit the weapons.

It's against licensing. A staff told me that a few days ago, it doesn't mean people won't do it haha.

 

You are not allowed to look at the game files, but since this engine isn't so good at hashing and encrypting it is possible to view all of the content with ArmA tools.

 

I am not here to argue really... I just made my point - looking at the game files is against licensing,

[Chaingunfighter 917]

It's against licensing. A staff told me that a few days ago, it doesn't mean people won't do it haha.

 

You are not allowed to look at the game files, but since this engine isn't so good at hashing and encrypting it is possible to view all of the content with ArmA tools.

 

I am not here to argue really... I just made my point - looking at the game files is against licensing,

Well they haven't seemed to do anything about it, or care. And I really doubt that "TROLOLOL" model was there for the devs to use later on.

So regardless of whether it's breaking their licensing, they haven't actually tried to react to it. Jaywalking is illegal in most places, but how often do you see people getting arrested for it?

[gibonez 3633]

Rocket tweeted recently saying there would be a fear level that factors the weapon sway and accuracy.

 

Don't like it then don't play, go back to COD or something kid.

 

Yet that feature sounds like something right out of COD.

 

Dare I say COD zombies is more realistic than Stand Alone ?

 

Sad thing is if they ever revert and remove the silly dispersion and instead put in a realistic shooting method such as sway, and sight misalignment you would be the first one to proclaim how this is a brilliant solution and good riddance to the old dispersion model.

Edited June 14, 2014 by gibonez

[hotcakes 348]

Yet that feature sounds like something right out of COD.

 

Dare I say COD zombies is more realistic than Stand Alone ?

 

Sad thing is if they ever revert and remove the silly dispersion and instead put in a realistic shooting method such as sway, and sight misalignment you would be the first one to proclaim how this is a brilliant solution and good riddance to the old dispersion model.

 

I dunno m8, I wouldn't mind suppression. Would give the M4 a niche besides CQC.

[Katana67 2907]

Yet that feature sounds like something right out of COD.

 

Dare I say COD zombies is more realistic than Stand Alone ?

 

Sad thing is if they ever revert and remove the silly dispersion and instead put in a realistic shooting method such as sway, and sight misalignment you would be the first one to proclaim how this is a brilliant solution and good riddance to the old dispersion model.

 

He never cited an actual tweet, to my knowledge, Rocket has never said that. If you can find the tweet, I'm all ears.

[gibonez 3633]

I dunno m8, I wouldn't mind suppression. Would give the M4 a niche besides CQC.

 

Huh ?

[TheWanderingMan 170]

He went twit twooo on twatter and all the merry little animals stood to attention in awe of his gloriously vacant typings, that filled their empty lives with meaningless wonder and the promise of weapons capable of godlike accuracy and SWAT attachments.

 

He also said this 'fear factor' could lead to heart problems in game if your player is suffering from a number of other symptoms.

 

Also you'll get athletes foot from stepping in a pond while wearing non-woollen socks.

 

You wanted realism people and rocket will serve it to you on a faeces encrusted platter complete with miss-matching flips flops and handbags.

 

#INFUSION

[Yuval 221]

Well they haven't seemed to do anything about it, or care. And I really doubt that "TROLOLOL" model was there for the devs to use later on.

So regardless of whether it's breaking their licensing, they haven't actually tried to react to it. Jaywalking is illegal in most places, but how often do you see people getting arrested for it?

 

Woah, didn't you read my reply? I didn't say people don't do it, I said it's not allowed. So why would you publicly announce the fact you looked at the files?

 

It's like, taking a piss in a public park. People do it, it's not allowed though - but you won't go out there saying to officers and citizens "My pee is in the park over there, don't go there".

 

Obviously devs knew people will look, so they are trolling people who do!

[totokickbutt 0]

default m16 like alll games

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Woah, didn't you read my reply? I didn't say people don't do it, I said it's not allowed. So why would you publicly announce the fact you looked at the files?

 

It's like, taking a piss in a public park. People do it, it's not allowed though - but you won't go out there saying to officers and citizens "My pee is in the park over there, don't go there".

 

Obviously devs knew people will look, so they are trolling people who do!

I'm not announcing it to the world by talking about it in a conversation with you. And yes, that's a true analogy, but it's not as extreme as something like that. It's more akin to; "Hey, I walked across the street when I wasn't supposed to". Aka, something receiving a response along the lines of; "Wow, what an epic badass you are" rather than "That's disgusting".

[gibonez 3633]

He went twit twooo on twatter and all the merry little animals stood to attention in awe of his gloriously vacant typings, that filled their empty lives with meaningless wonder and the promise of weapons capable of godlike accuracy and SWAT attachments.

 

He also said this 'fear factor' could lead to heart problems in game if your player is suffering from a number of other symptoms.

 

Also you'll get athletes foot from stepping in a pond while wearing non-woollen socks.

 

You wanted realism people and rocket will serve it to you on a faeces encrusted platter complete with miss-matching flips flops and handbags.

 

#INFUSION

 

 

WHUT ?

[hellcat420 212]

this is my civilian 5.56 rifle, I wouldn't mind seeing it in game.

 

 

[gibonez 3633]

this is my civilian 5.56 rifle, I wouldn't mind seeing it in game.

 

 

 

A 16 inch ar 15 such as the one you own is far too similiar to the m4 in game.

 

If they do decide to add another ar into the game it should be radically different from the m4 in terms of characteristics and performance.

 

Thus is where a Varmint rifle would work best.

 

Longer barrel = more muzzle velocity, and more power at extended ranges.

 

a 20 or 24 inch varmint rifle would be a better choice.

[hellcat420 212]

A 16 inch ar 15 such as the one you own is far too similiar to the m4 in game.

 

If they do decide to add another ar into the game it should be radically different from the m4 in terms of characteristics and performance.

 

Thus is where a Varmint rifle would work best.

 

Longer barrel = more muzzle velocity, and more power at extended ranges.

 

a 20 or 24 inch varmint rifle would be a better choice.

my m4 is not the same as the m4 in the game, it is a piston operated m4, it has different performance and characteristics than a standard military m4, and weighs noticeably more as well.

[gibonez 3633]

my m4 is not the same as the m4 in the game, it is a piston operated m4, it has different performance and characteristics than a standard military m4, and weighs noticeably more as well.

 

In video game terms the piston operation and the minute differences between the 16 inch ar you own and the 14.5 inch m4 in game would not be noticeable that is unless they make gun cleaning important and add a stamina system.

 

The most noticeable and very immediate difference would be muzzle velocity the muzzle velocity between a 14.5 inch 5.56 rifle and a full length 20 inch or 24 inch rifle is pretty noticeable.

[hellcat420 212]

In video game terms the piston operation and the minute differences between the 16 inch ar you own and the 14.5 inch m4 in game would not be noticeable that is unless they make gun cleaning important and add a stamina system.

 

The most noticeable and very immediate difference would be muzzle velocity the muzzle velocity between a 14.5 inch 5.56 rifle and a full length 20 inch or 24 inch rifle is pretty noticeable.

gun cleaning will most likely be important, since they gave us cleaning kits. the piston ar is more reliable, needs less cleaning, and is easier to clean, with a small sacrifice in accuracy, and semi only. not only that the piston is adjustable for different ammunition loads, using supressors more effectively, etc.