Are you kidding me? How is this slander?

[9216544 8]

Boneboys closed this thread on the grounds that the OP was committing slander.

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/185495-dayz-sa-slow-development-ponderings-on-why/

 

I came to these forums to see what people's opinions were on the Dayz development pace. It is quite unfortunate to see that the forum moderators close any threads that do not praise the game's development speed. 

 

After not playing for a couple months and coming back only to be met with the inability to equip weapons, not seeing zombies move though being attacked, having the quit the server only to be unable to join a new one, I decided that the development didn't seem to be so "fast" after all. The game is still hardly playable, let alone filled with the content it needs by now.  

 

If I hear one more fan boy say "It's alpha, you were warned" I'm going to scream. It may be true that it is alpha, but that does not excuse BIS for how they've treated their supporters. A game moving at this development should be reserved for developers making games with their friends inside of their mother's basements, not a company that has sold over a million copies at $30 bucks a pop. 

 

I had a lot of excitement for the mod and standalone and had been following them for a couple years. The success of the Dayz SA client was encouraging. But after four months with no progress apparent, it's starting to seem that Bohemia Interactive and Rocket have made one of the most successful cash grabs in gaming history. Oh, but I guess this is "slander" so you might as well close this thread. 

 

As a player of this game that has absolutely no say in how the game is developed, it only saddens me that gaming companies can exploit the naivety of their fans (mine included) so easily. Rocket really does not deserve this much success. The amount of money they have made should have resulted in a completed form of the client being ready by the end of summer. At this pace that seems woefully unlikely.

 

I'll never spend my money on an incomplete game again. Big deal right? Who am I? As long as Rocket and his (basically nonexistent) developing team have made their money, who cares? 

 

Now, please perform the inevitable thread closing you discussion encouraging forum moderators. 

[TheHuntsMan87 194]

I must admit i had a thread closed the other day about a streamer/youtuber, i opened up the thread decussing how some streamers iv watched just loot the airfield then move to another server, then repat. basically watching someone server hop for an hour whilst they recieve donations and people being subscribed to them paying there monthly fee. I was shocked to see that my thread had been locked, Freedom of speech is non excistance here it seems with some forum mods.

 

I read somewhere before that a person in the states actually took some forum mods to court for deleteing posts as it breached his rights of freedom of speech..was a funny read {and no mods this is not a threat, slander or anything else you want to throw at it}

[Snowball (DayZ) 115]

Actually they doubled the development team a while ago...Have no idea how big it is tough.

And I gotta say, closing that thread on grounds of "slander" is somewhat questionable. But these admins/mods are all humans, like said in the rules, which means they're all biased on their own POV's and views. Which is human, so theoretically there is nothing wrong with it  :| 
 

Edited April 13, 2014 by Snowball

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

slan·der
ˈslandər/Submit
nounLAW
1.
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
"he is suing the TV network for slander"
"I've had just about all I can stomach of your slanders"
synonyms: defamation (of character), character assassination, calumny, libel; More
verb
verb: slander; 3rd person present: slanders; past tense: slandered; past participle: slandered; gerund or present participle: slandering
1.
make false and damaging statements about (someone).
"they were accused of slandering the head of state"

[j0s 3]

Slander is spoken, Libel is written or defamation to be more clear

Edited April 13, 2014 by j0s

[Rott (DayZ) 218]

Op is correct... This site is biased... Carry on .

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

It's alpha, You were warned!

 

 

 

(so Much temptation...)

 

And it's people like this that they will keep allowing to talk because it fits in well with what they are trying to do on the forums.

Edited April 13, 2014 by anothercynicalbrit

[Mahado 15]

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Changelog

Updates are quite frequent and decent sized. Bigger systems take A LOT of time and testing. You can't simply fix them by increasing developer count or funding. Its limited how many can work on same case/feature/system simultaneously. Not everything from regular jobs at real life can be applied on programming in order to boost "efficiency". Hiring new devs takes a lot time to get them familiar with the engine too, which reduces the working time from actual devs. There is so much you need to know before you can criticize them properly without just being ignorant. Not to mention the fact we are on Alpha. We have accepted this when we first entered, didn't we?

I am positve that DayZ is going to be fine game.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

And it's people like this that they will keep allowing to talk because it fits in well with what they are trying to do on the forums.

And what's that got to do with anything?  This stupid thread is talking about another stupid thread that was closed because the OP used slander, make false and damaging statements about (someone).

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

And what's that got to do with anything?  This stupid thread is talking about another stupid thread that was closed because the OP used slander, make false and damaging statements about (someone).

He layed out his thoughts about why he thinks the development process has stalled. At no point did he mention any names in particular and at no point did he state what he was thinking was fact, he is allowed to do that. This statement on the other hand is useless, adds nothing to the conversation and does not even relate to the OP yet it will be left up there because when this game does go to shit in a years time (if it does, which it will if hackers are not dealt with soon) it will only be the people who scream alpha left on these forums, the die hard fan boys who are also partly responsible for the destruction of the game by not giving enough criticism where it is due. People like you caboose.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

He layed out his thoughts about why he thinks the development process has stalled. At no point did he mention any names in particular and at no point did he state what he was thinking was fact, he is allowed to do that. This statement on the other hand is useless, adds nothing to the conversation and does not even relate to the OP yet it will be left up there because when this game does go to shit in a years time (if it does, which it will if hackers are not dealt with soon) it will only be the people who scream alpha left on these forums, the die hard fan boys who are also partly responsible for the destruction of the game by not giving enough criticism where it is due. People like you caboose.

Go read the locked thread.  Learn, understand and comprehend.  

 

Also, if you don't like the game because it's not to your satisfaction you are free to leave at anytime.  You are not held hostage here to make false statements that you attempt to pass on as fact.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Caboose187

[Tomo2000uk 33]

Yeah the mods are chronic on here , closing anything that doesn't praise the game.  

[kichilron 8550]

Well, as for the reason why your thread was closed one could easily start with the fact that the accusations that rocket and BIS are moneygrabbing and that they're not investing the money they're making with the sales of the DayZ Standalone.

 

These accusations aren't only wrong, they are being used in a fashion to make people angry and infuriate the users of these forums against rocket and his team. This is only proven to be even more so if you take a look at your own tags for this thread:

 

Ripoff Cashgrab Theft Swindle Cheat Fraud

 

If you actually want to engage in a discussion with us, feel free to do so, but do it in a normalfashioned way.

 

The dev-team is growing in size and new people are being brought in and starting to work on it. How can one then assume the devteam is understaffed?

 

 

As for the locking of a particular thread - we have rules regarding that, stating that we're all nothing but humans. We're all here, because we like to give the community something back and want to make this place as enjoyable as possible. We're trying to hold this place together because we all started playing the mod and we like the community and this place and this game.

 

We do not get money for what we're doing here and we're by no means depending on rocket or the game. We still have our oppinions and sometimes show them. But when people come in and rant on about the game (without any actual reasoning) and just state that the devs are grabbing all the money they possibly can to have a nice life on the beach with our millions - how could that possibly end well?

 

We do embrace feedback, even if it is negative, but you all have to stick to the rules. If you're going around screaming and can not calm down before trying to get into a discussion it is very likely your thread will get locked.

 

Even when discussing things, possibly politics, with people in the real life that are standing in front of me I usually stop the discussion if they can't bring their arguments forth in a nice and calm manner. If they're screaming at me there will be no discussion, it is as easy as that.

 

I have decided to leave this thread open for now, but be aware that anymore uninformed rants will get this topic locked quicker than you can say "unfair moderator!"

Edited April 13, 2014 by kichilron

[Inception. 9443]

 

It is quite unfortunate to see that the forum moderators close any threads that do not praise the game's development speed. 

 

This is a silly conclusion as it is untrue. Go and read through the forums.

[SFRGaming 718]

You were posting lots of false information formed from rumors and bad sources, thus, Slander. You'd think, if you were so smart that you knew everything that goes in in making a game such as DayZ, you'd understand the definition of Slander...

[c00lface 66]

This is BI's standard procedure for community managment. They relly on their biased apologiser fanboys who will defend the game at any cost and never show any form of criticism. These are the same that shout "ALPHERRR" at any "cod whinny entitled kid" that dares to share his thoughts on the negative aspects of the game or lack of solid progress. It's a shame but its how it is

Edited April 13, 2014 by PacificForPeace

[caledric 45]

I always laugh when someone claims the game is unplayable and fun.  If the game is unplayable and fun why do I log at least 3 hours a day playing it? Why is my clan's server full from 1pm est until approx 3am est EVERYDAY.  If the game is so unplayable why do I have 15-20 people in my clan logging in to play on a nightly basis?

 

I can understand you saying you aren't having fun with what they've provided us so far, but to me that also means you lack imagination cause I can make my own fun.  It also tells me you lack a solid community to play with as this game is 1000% more fun to play if you have a good group of people to do so with.

 

The development pace has slowed down yes, but I personally see that as a good thing.  Before the devs were just pushing out updates so we were getting new content on a weekly basis.  This spoiled many folks content wise, but introduced tons of bugs (many debilitating ones) into the game.  The slower content push that we see now is allowing the devs to release more stable updates with fewer bugs.  The updates still aren't very slow however. We are getting them bi-weekly for the most part.  Most games in this stage of production see monthly or bi-monthly content updates.  We are lucky that we are still getting lots of content, and the devs are still eager to make new stuff for us.

 

I've been gaming and testing games since 1996, and while I'm not going to call DayZ one of the best development products I've been a part of, they are certainly near the top of the list.

[Tomo2000uk 33]

people are angry because the game is moving at a snails pace. they've probably made near 30 million of this game.

if you suppress our opinions you are committing more than slander you are promoting a false representation of the game.

[Inception. 9443]

This is BI's standard procedure for community managment. They relly on their biased apologiser fanboys who will defend the game at any cost and never show any form of criticism. These are the same that shout "ALPHERRR" at any "cod whinny entitled kid" that dares to share his thoughts on the negative aspects of the game or lack of solid progress. It's a shame but its how it is

 

I am in now way affiliated with Bohemia Interactive, nor are the majority of the Forum Team.

 

I don't know why people think this.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

This is BI's standard procedure for community managment. They relly on their biased apologiser fanboys who will defend the game at any cost and never show any form of criticism. These are the same that shout "ALPHERRR" at any "cod whinny entitled kid" that dares to share his thoughts on the negative aspects of the game or lack of solid progress. It's a shame but its how it is

Oh look, another false statement by an uninformed poster

[weedmasta 784]

Criticising something constructively is one thing, making assumptions based on wild fantasies, calling people thieves and making a thread about something that has been discussed to hell and back is another. This thread unfortunately like many others have nothing to do with constructive criticisms, it is no different than just typing "you guys suck" and there is no purpose in such a thread. There were plenty of threads the mods allowed despite their useless nature, one in which a person claimed to be a fellow developer and how he has concerns about the game and the thread went on for pages. However his attitude of criticism (even though it was heavily biased and tried to portray assumptions as fact) soon changed to making up facts and calling anyone who didn't agree with him, names. So the topic was closed. 

I suggest you take a good hard look at yourselves and try to be fair. You were warned not to buy the game, you were warned it was Alpha, you were warned the game wasn't complete and likely wasn't going to be fun. If you agreed to that and paid for the game, it makes you look stupid when you start complaining about it based on assumptions with little knowledge about the game, its developement and the company.

[caledric 45]

This is BI's standard procedure for community managment. They relly on their biased apologiser fanboys who will defend the game at any cost and never show any form of criticism. These are the same that shout "ALPHERRR" at any "cod whinny entitled kid" that dares to share his thoughts on the negative aspects of the game or lack of solid progress. It's a shame but its how it is

 

For every fanboy who cries ALPHA, there is an equally loud anti-fanboy who posts nothing but negativity to try to tear the game down.  90% of the "non-praise" posts are done so in a manner that comes off as whiny or destructive.  Perhaps if people would take 3 deep breaths and count to 10 before creating their post, then re-read what they wrote we might receive more constructive criticism out of it.  Instead what we get is "BiS Sucks!" "He stole my toy1" or "The Devs are dumb!" type threads.

 

If you have an issue with the game of which I will admit there are many.  Post it up in a respectful, calm, and helpful manner.  Detail what issues you have run into, offer suggestions... note I said suggestions not demands.  Help the devs recreate issues you are having.  Don't just fly off the handle and complain.  This doesn't help anyone.  It just makes the player base look whiny.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Caledric

[Mahado 15]

This is BI's standard procedure for community managment. They relly on their biased apologiser fanboys who will defend the game at any cost and never show any form of criticism. These are the same that shout "ALPHERRR" at any "cod whinny entitled kid" that dares to share his thoughts on the negative aspects of the game or lack of solid progress. It's a shame but its how it is

Most of complaintment threads have been based on assumptions and all sort of fallacies. Go for constructive feedback if you do and base your stuff on "real" facts. I'll bet my balls that no one will ignore or close your thread. People assume things they don't know for certain, that shouldn't be the base for any feedback. Although you can analyze things calmly and raise your concerns, but try not to claim it as "fact" how you speak about it, else you are being a bit delusional / basing things on fallacy.

[Thadius (DayZ) 40]

Oh dear. That is my old thread. While I do appreciate the support Mr. 9216544, you are making me look a bit like I created a secondary account to draw attention to my old thread. And the previous sentence now seems as a diversionary distancing maneuver. And now this sentence seems... Sigh... Well, I guess the only winning move here is not to play, to quote an old movie.

 

But since we are here, and the damage is done, I might as well discuss some of things brought up here.

 

I tried in a civil way address the issue the mod brought up in his lock post via a PM to try to discuss the matter.

While the section the mod highlights is regretfully not specific enough to paint it as solely my opinion and theories (something I thought at the time came across as a given), I created the thread as an open forum for the matter to be discussed and/or to be convinced by good arguments why I was wrong.

 

I elaborated these arguments out in the PM and invited him to discuss the matter between us privately in a civil manner, since he did not wish to discuss it in a open forum. 

 

He did not reply. 

 

My message boils down to this (In my MOST personal opinion and theory, I can not stress this enough it seems):

Alpha is slow because of a small team, not because of its inherent alpha status. And the team is small because of an unwillingness to spend alpha sales money.

And this because they have calculated that a bigger/better team will not bring about the increased sales to cover the increased costs. 

The end. 

 

Rereading my thread, I seem to have used some bad turn of phrases. 

 

However, there is a worlds difference from disparaging the (theoretical) financial reasoning for keeping the team small and the team itself. The latter which I am not doing.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Thadius

[kichilron 8550]

My message boils down to this (In my MOST personal opinion and theory, I can not stress this enough it seems):

Alpha is slow because of a small team, not because of its inherent alpha status. And the team is small because of an unwillingness to spend alpha sales money.

And this because they have calculated that a bigger/better team will not bring about the increased sales to cover the increased costs. 

 

 

I personally really appreciate you posting in here explaining. However, may I remind you that they just hired an entire team to help with development and they're currently being worked into the development of DayZ SA.