Dean Hall encourages server hopping at egx rezzed

[cels 43]

I dont know.. It almost seems a deterrent to play on the official hive servers... Servers that are created not tied to the official hive, you will know that specific server holds all the items you need.

To put simply, why play on a hive thats connected to 20+ different servers in which the one you are on may not hold the item you want compared to a single server by itself thats not on the hive? Even that, the people who create the 3 server hives and such would be more likely a better choice than being on official hive servers..

This in a way might inadvertently drop the number of players who choose to play on servers connected to the official hives..

Personally because of this, I agree that any item should be left to a percentage or a fraction of a percentage of spawning on each server instead of just how many the centralized hive will allow to spawn between all the servers(if im understanding this correctly)..

Edited April 7, 2014 by cels

[slim_pikins 30]

NVG are rare in the mod. You are missing out a massive point, they don't spawn everywhere, only in some places, so what you said is invalid. 

 

NV's were just an example of how quickly the odds mount up, it appears that you have missed the point

[sai (DayZ) 137]

NV's were just an example of how quickly the odds mount up, it appears that you have missed the point

All vehicle parts have specific spawns too. I'm missing no point. 

[Judopunch 523]

 

 

A stronger memory because you rode it once?? That is not a game, I didn't pay 20 quid to experience a part of the game once if ever, I really shouldn't have to argue this. 

 

You only had sex once that means it's better because stronger memory. believe. be strong. 

 

No the point is illustrated in the downfall of World of Warcraft, and to a very great extent Guildwars 2. 

 

Wow raiding used to be Elite people, who could possibly bring some tag alongs. People cryed long enough that Blizzard finally made all content available to everyone, they removed the specialness from the accomplishment of doing something difficult, that took dedication and time. Guildwars 2 is the same story, everyone can heal tank and dps, everyone can do all of the content. Anyone can get anything. It waters down the experience. It becomes cheap. Its bad game design to cater to the ezmode instant respawn masses.

 

This is also the aspect that makes DayZ unique, how hard it is to accumulate almost anything because there is no respawn, only start over. This is why its not arma 3, or BF4 with zombies.

 

Its not my job to read between the lines, its your job to be articulate and facilitate discussion.

[sai (DayZ) 137]

No the point is illustrated in the downfall of World of Warcraft, and to a very great extent Guildwars 2. 

 

Wow raiding used to be Elite people, who could possibly bring some tag alongs. People cryed long enough that Blizzard finally made all content available to everyone, they removed the specialness from the accomplishment of doing something difficult, that took dedication and time. Guildwars 2 is the same story, everyone can heal tank and dps, everyone can do all of the content. Anyone can get anything. It waters down the experience. It becomes cheap. Its bad game design to cater to the ezmode instant respawn masses.

 

This is also the aspect that makes DayZ unique, how hard it is to accumulate almost anything because there is no respawn, only start over. This is why its not arma 3, or BF4 with zombies.

 

Its not my job to read between the lines, its your job to be articulate and facilitate discussion.

Helis are in the mod, they are hard to get alone but not impossible and there are many parts and helis on one server yet they are still hard to get. And it's extremely successful. 

This has nothing to do with other games.

 

Rare but attainable helicopters are proven in the mod already, any of this bs you say doesn't matter.

 

It was very clear what I was saying you are just being difficult.

Edited April 7, 2014 by sai

[slim_pikins 30]

All vehicle parts have specific spawns too. I'm missing no point. 

 

Mention what ever part you want it was still an example of the odds mounting up so that within a couple of weeks everyone in the community has what ever widget you care to mention, so yes you have missed the point again.

[sai (DayZ) 137]

Mention what ever part you want it was still an example of the odds mounting up so that within a couple of weeks everyone in the community has what ever widget you care to mention, so yes you have missed the point again.

Weeks? LOL seriously, do you expect people to hunt for loot for months?

 

The topic is about how choppers will be EXTREMELY rare. This is the topic, understand? You are wrong, because there are specific places certain loot spawns. Just accept it. 

[Judopunch 523]

It was very clear what I was saying you are just being difficult.

Than why did you tell me to read between the lines?

 

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However your problem, reading between the lines for this, seems to be you dont want it to hard to get. You are taking this out on a notion you may need to go steal one from someone else, possibly on another server. The problem here is its not confirmed that you wont be able to make one by staying in the same server, or exactly how uncommon they will be. 

I would be perfectly fine if you only ever saw one flying around every other day. More than that would seem to be to common for what I would prefer, but I will have a better understanding when we get other modes of transportation and fortification in place. I would personally like cars to be not to common either, but it could range anywhere from GTA 5 to only seen a minivan once. So we will have to see how they are going to handle maintenance and acquisition.

[sai (DayZ) 137]

Than why did you tell me to read between the lines?

 

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However your problem, reading between the lines for this, seems to be you dont want it to hard to get. You are taking this out on a notion you may need to go steal one from someone else, possibly on another server. The problem here is its not confirmed that you wont be able to make one by staying in the same server, or exactly how uncommon they will be. 

I would be perfectly fine if you only ever saw one flying around every other day. More than that would seem to be to common for what I would prefer, but I will have a better understanding when we get other modes of transportation and fortification in place. I would personally like cars to be not to common either, but it could range anywhere from GTA 5 to only seen a minivan once. So we will have to see how they are going to handle maintenance and acquisition.

I have to ask with your apparent lack of exp on vehicles in this game, have you played the mod? I've played it almost from the beginning, cars were always rare, people hid them. And choppers were even rarer. 

 

I'm not even going to continue the chat about reading comprehension. 

[slim_pikins 30]

Weeks? LOL seriously, do you expect people to hunt for loot for months?

 

The topic is about how choppers will be EXTREMELY rare. This is the topic, understand? You are wrong, because there are specific places certain loot spawns. Just accept it. 

 

Actually the topic is about server hopping and Rocket encouraging it, so there is another point you missed.

And yes I do want people to spend a hell of a lot of time finding stuff and make them valuable enough to fight over

[sai (DayZ) 137]

Actually the topic is about server hopping and Rocket encouraging it, so there is another point you missed.

And yes I do want people to spend a hell of a lot of time finding stuff and make them valuable enough to fight over

 

“Combine with our centralized loot economy. There might only be parts for that helicopter that you need on one particular server. So that’s where you are like “we need all these different parts to finish off our helicopter, we are going to have to go steal someone else’s from a server we know about”

 

You missed it.

 

 

 

Yeah hunting for loot for months or even weeks is rediculous. you will die way before then, do you even dayz? Who am I talking to here? Insane people. 

[kichilron 8550]

Who am I talking to here? Insane people. 

 

 

You don't seem to be making any valid points and trying to upset other people isn't really a contribution to the thread. You always seem to be screaming "you don't have any valid points!" rather than bringing forth any valid points yourself. If you can't do that it makes it look like you're just trying to troll.

[slim_pikins 30]

“Combine with our centralized loot economy. There might only be parts for that helicopter that you need on one particular server. So that’s where you are like “we need all these different parts to finish off our helicopter, we are going to have to go steal someone else’s from a server we know about”

 

You missed it.

 

 

 

Yeah hunting for loot for months or even weeks is rediculous. you will die way before then, do you even dayz? Who am I talking to here? Insane people. 

 

 

Title of thread

Dean Hall encourages server hopping at egx rezzed

You missed that,Insane people eh? sure why not if what you say is sanity I'm happy to ware that badge.

 

 

 

[Judopunch 523]

“Combine with our centralized loot economy. There might only be parts for that helicopter that you need on one particular server. So that’s where you are like “we need all these different parts to finish off our helicopter, we are going to have to go steal someone else’s from a server we know about”

 

You missed it.

 

 

 

Yeah hunting for loot for months or even weeks is rediculous. you will die way before then, do you even dayz? Who am I talking to here? Insane people. 

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Also this is still alpha, drop rates and systems are subject to change. You are arguing (i think) about a system that has only briefly been over-viewed with no specifics what soever.

[Judopunch 523]

You don't seem to be making any valid points and trying to upset other people isn't really a contribution to the thread. You always seem to be screaming "you don't have any valid points!" rather than bringing forth any valid points yourself. If you can't do that it makes it look like you're just trying to troll.

He expects us to 'read between the lines'. And then right after tells us hes speaking clearly.

 

Yes. That did just happen.

[sai (DayZ) 137]

You don't seem to be making any valid points and trying to upset other people isn't really a contribution to the thread. You always seem to be screaming "you don't have any valid points!" rather than bringing forth any valid points yourself. If you can't do that it makes it look like you're just trying to troll.

I've made many valid points. Don't lie. I'm not screaming anything, if you think pointing out how the arguments made against me are illogical and wrong is screaming then there is something wrong with you.

 

 

1: making parts across many different servers forcing you to server hop is immersion braking.

 

2: making parts so rare is restricting part of the gameplay for most of the players.

 

3: This is a game and should be treated as a game, not your idea or not finding an iphone. your logic is flawed. you could say the same about food. As I already posted.

 

4: once you have said super rare item you are in constant fear of losing it, thats not fun.

 

5: just because you've done something once and maybe never again does not make good gameplay because of a stronger memory.

 

6: vehicle loot and military loot has specific spawn points. That guy was wrong in his math.

 

7: the cars and choppers in the mod are already rare. they don't need to be rarer.

Edited April 7, 2014 by sai

[Judopunch 523]

I've made many valid points. Don't lie. I'm not screaming anything, if you think pointing out how the arguments made against me are illogical and wrong is screaming then there is something wrong with you.

 

 

1: making parts across many different servers forcing you to server hop is immersion braking.

 

2: making parts so rare is restricting part of the gameplay for most of the players.

 

3: This is a game and should be treated as a game, not your idea or not finding an iphone. your logic is flawed. you could say the same about food. As I already posted.

 

4: once you have said super rare item you are in constant fear of losing it, thats not fun.

 

5: just because you've done something once and maybe never again does not make good gameplay because of a stronger memory.

 

6: vehicle loot and military loot has specific spawn points. That guy was wrong in his math.

 

7: the cars and choppers in the mod are already rare. they don't need to be rarer.

The only thing said about them is that they will be hard to find. Hard enough that people MAY go to another server to steal one from someone else. Which, by the way is the real point of this topic.

 

Visiting multiple servers, and playing in them. This is not server hopping. You may also opt out of this activity voluntarily by playing on a private hive. Mod's are planned for the game after release, you can join or create a server that has as many helicopters as you would like.

 

Edit: loosing your gear is part of DayZ,  no matter how rare it is. 

Edited April 7, 2014 by Judopunch

[sai (DayZ) 137]

The only thing said about them is that they will be hard to find. Hard enough that people MAY go to another server to steal one from someone else. Which, by the way is the real point of this topic.

 

Visiting multiple servers, and playing in them. This is not server hopping. You may also opt out of this activity voluntarily by playing on a private hive. Mod's are planned for the game after release, you can join or create a server that has as many helicopters as you would like.

 

Edit: loosing your gear is part of DayZ,  no matter how rare it is. 

Changing your server for loot any ammount of times is severhopping. And immersion braking. 

 

THE point of this topic is the rare loot, meaning you will have to server hop. The reason of this server change is rare loot. 

 

I know that, but you don't seem to understand what makes a game a game. 

 

last reply to you btw.

Edited April 7, 2014 by sai

[pacific_coast 632]

I've made many valid points. Don't lie. I'm not screaming anything, if you think pointing out how the arguments made against me are illogical and wrong is screaming then there is something wrong with you.

 

 

1: making parts across many different servers forcing you to server hop is immersion braking.

 

I AGREE

 

2: making parts so rare is restricting part of the gameplay for most of the players.

 

I ALSO AGREE

 

3: This is a game and should be treated as a game, not your idea or not finding an iphone. your logic is flawed. you could say the same about food. As I already posted.

 

AGREE AGAIN

 

4: once you have said super rare item you are in constant fear of losing it, thats not fun.

 

DISAGREE STRONGLY

 

5: just because you've done something once and maybe never again does not make good gameplay because of a stronger memory.

 

DISAGREE

 

6: vehicle loot and military loot has specific spawn points. That guy was wrong in his math.

 

TRUE

 

7: the cars and choppers in the mod are already rare. they don't need to be rarer.

 

FALSE

[Judopunch 523]

Changing your server for loot any ammount of times is severhopping. And immersion braking. 

 

THE point of this topic is the rare loot, meaning you will have to server hop. The reason of this server change is rare loot. 

 

I know that, but you don't seem to understand what makes a game a game. 

 

last reply to you btw.

Than you can play on a private hive with custom spawn rules to your liking. Anything else?

[sai (DayZ) 137]

 

I've made many valid points. Don't lie. I'm not screaming anything, if you think pointing out how the arguments made against me are illogical and wrong is screaming then there is something wrong with you.

 

 

1: making parts across many different servers forcing you to server hop is immersion braking.

 

I AGREE

 

2: making parts so rare is restricting part of the gameplay for most of the players.

 

I ALSO AGREE

 

3: This is a game and should be treated as a game, not your idea or not finding an iphone. your logic is flawed. you could say the same about food. As I already posted.

 

AGREE AGAIN

 

4: once you have said super rare item you are in constant fear of losing it, thats not fun.

 

DISAGREE STRONGLY

 

I would, pink? GFFG ok, I would be in fear of losing something i spent so long trying to get, as i'm sure many would, you're saying thats fun?

 

5: just because you've done something once and maybe never again does not make good gameplay because of a stronger memory.

 

DISAGREE

 

what if you could only fire your gun once? would that be good gameplay, what about only ever kill a bandit once. or anything. fact is it's limiting gameplay >>too much<<

 

6: vehicle loot and military loot has specific spawn points. That guy was wrong in his math.

 

TRUE

 

7: the cars and choppers in the mod are already rare. they don't need to be rarer.

 

FALSE

 

vanilla mod, hard to find a car, the were all taken, choppers even more so. How is that false?

 

Edited April 7, 2014 by sai

[pacific_coast 632]

Than you can play on a private hive with custom spawn rules to your liking. Anything else?

the vanilla should be playable.

 

as in "i join a server, never leave it even when i respawn" and still never finding chopper parts/ working heli is not playable.

 

post-release modded servers cant be the answer for a broken game mechanic that can be fixed before beta

[pacific_coast 632]

vanilla mod, hard to find a car, the were all taken, choppers even more so. How is that false?

 

 

because you could look on the map, go to a car spawn, take it, or wait til restart and join the same server = car/heli/whatever

[Judopunch 523]

 

7: the cars and choppers in the mod are already rare. they don't need to be rarer.

 

FALSE

 

vanilla mod, hard to find a car, the were all taken, choppers even more so. How is that false?

 

"all taken" does not mean "rare". Your logic does not follow.

[sai (DayZ) 137]

because you could look on the map, go to a car spawn, take it, or wait til restart and join the same server = car/heli/whatever

It would almost always have to be server restart, and a car would need to have been destroyed, and the car spawns in broken. Not exactly everywhere. Thats rare seeing as you have to basically cheat and get lucky to pull that off.