Pistols should spawn w/Magazines {POLL ADDED}

[Mr Jizz 313]

Incorrect,  if your proposition is not quite the same as those linked, you should have entered the conversation with your ideas.

The fact remains that multiple Topics will disappear while a regularly updated and much debated subject will draw the attention of the Devs.

 

This is fact, it does not mean that the Devs will follow the idea but it will at least be brought to their attention and they will be aware of its existence.

 

Moved to the correct Forum section.

 

No one reads the Suggestions section  .....  :(

[Fry76 23]

Well I have found all my pistol magazines from green mountain. So... I think OP is right in this one, pistols should spawn with mags.

Or at least magazine should be somewhere near pistol.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Fry76

[DayZ_Friendly 145]

I think there should be magazine stands.

[notaqua 7]

+1

 

Too many M4 mags, not enough pistol mags. It took me a couple days to find an FNX mag.

[TheBlackFlag 0]

Since ammo for pistols can be found mostly anywhere, it does make sense that pistols have, at least a chance--Say 50/50?) of spawning with a magazine with a few rounds in it. it wouldn't stretch the imagination. obviously not a full mag, or two, but even an empty one would be acceptable?

[Tricky_Vic 25]

22 mags are hard to find as well.

FNX, and CR mags even harder.

But for some reason, m1911 mags come easily to me, I just never find the pistol.

[SaveMeJebus 164]

On the DayZ Overwatch ZombZ servers, every single gun spawned with 5 magazines, 100% of the time. Which was really stupid.

Edit: To be more "simple" and clear, even just the idea of one magazine is a no-no in my book. :P

Well standalone is not the mod and I think you misunderstand ... spawning a gun with a magazine does not mean that it will have ammo, in the mod it meant that I suppose but not anymore since you have to actually load the rounds into the mag.  So just to clarify to you pistols should spawn with an EMPTY magazine, NO ammo.

 

**On a side note, can you chamber single rounds into weapons with no magazine? I have never tried but just wondered this.  If not would be a much needed addition, with the exception of a few weapons that have a magazine safety most of them could easily be fired with no mag (altho very slowly)

Edited March 26, 2014 by SaveMeJebus

[Etherious 907]

Well standalone is not the mod and I think you misunderstand ... spawning a gun with a magazine does not mean that it will have ammo, in the mod it meant that I suppose but not anymore since you have to actually load the rounds into the mag.  So just to clarify to you pistols should spawn with an EMPTY magazine, NO ammo.

 

**On a side note, can you chamber single rounds into weapons with no magazine? I have never tried but just wondered this.  If not would be a much needed addition, with the exception of a few weapons that have a magazine safety most of them could easily be fired with no mag (altho very slowly)

Good and friendly counter response, thank you. And IDK I have not tried chambering while a magazine is present...gonna test later. :)

[equeone 2]

I think its just fine at it is.. finding mags is not that hard at all, since they added more police stations etc i find mags allover...

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

currently there are 50 FNX's to every FNX magazine.

when you purchase a pistol, it comes with one, or even two or three magazines, and new ones can cost between $15-30. Police and military typically carry at the very least one spare magazine attached to the holster, though usually more in a separate pouch. IRL, there are 5 magazines for every gun. 

But in-game, I haven't found a magazine (Exept on dead players) in 4 weeks. the mags are more valuable than the actual weapon - that's wrong.

meanwhile I find 5 M4 mags in each military building.

 

just a general increase in their spawning rate/locations is needed.

[Elsaraiva 1]

Weapons should have a slight chance of spawning with a magazine loaded with few bullet, I agree with that.

[ImageCtrl 719]

Read not all, but in this case I don`t care about realism.

I think it is a nice part of the game that you not find them together.

[AnyoneInCherno? 187]

Yes, but the magazine should not be full, that should be a rarity. They should only have a few rounds, to show a fight had occurred.....and had been lost.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

^^^good idea

[VonHabdekeiten 38]

Well, sure why not, as long as the guns are made really rare eventually, pistols as well as all the others. I would love to feel that thrill when finding a weapon, any weapon, instead of a mere "meh" after running half the time I check under a bed into one.

[yorkmorgan 191]

someone posted this idea on reddit and quick as a flash rocket acknowledged that this might be a good idea, which is a great outcome, but its sad that hicks and rocket only ever respond to reddit posts ATM. I just can't like reddit, I don't even know why... 

[Powell (DayZ) 734]

I have to agree, or there should be two variants of the spawns (some do, some don't)

[Mr Jizz 313]

someone posted this idea on reddit and quick as a flash rocket acknowledged that this might be a good idea, which is a great outcome, but its sad that hicks and rocket only ever respond to reddit posts ATM. I just can't like reddit, I don't even know why... 

 

reddit is not easy to read or enjoy. I agree, hard to get into. Its a format programmers appreciate because it resembles lines of code.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Mr Jizz

[bobotype3334 160]

DEFINITELY more guns need to spawn with magazines in them OP, maybe even including some rifles.

We should keep the spawn rate of magazines and ammo as is, or even lower it, but pistols should spawn with a full magazine 25% of the time, with a magazine with a random number of bullets or empty 50% of the time and with no magazine 25% of the time, or something along such probability-based lines. It just doesn't make sense how someone would discard a magazine so far away from a pistol, and vice versa.

[Angelone (DayZ) 3]

I think it's agood idea

[srgntpepper 85]

Let me tell you a tale of a police station full of pistols, where all the magazines were 5 miles away at an airbase...

 

I won't actually tell you a tale, but I will put this little absurdity into perspective.

 

I understand that there are plenty of scenarios where a pistol might be found without its magazine.  Perhaps in a home, where the owner had kids, or maybe a gun shop or ... actually, I'm having trouble coming up with examples.  The fact of the matter is that any guns that we find, strictly from a game-plot perspective would have been dropped or left by people in the throes of a zombie apocalypse.  Hopefully we can all accept that.  Furthermore, most of the places we find pistols are where one might expect: emergency service facilities, police stations, military bases, etc.. all places where the people who once used them would have no reason to carry them unloaded, or at least not stripped of their mag.

 

I propose that pistols should predominantly spawn with a magazine attached.  If you really think about it, finding a pistol without a magazine isn't much different from finding one without a slide rail.  The degree to which that magazine is loaded is irrelevant.  Even if found empty, it would be a huge improvement over traipsing around the map looking for a magazine that had no business not being attached to the gun in the first place.

 

From a balancing perspective, I believe the pistols are sufficiently nerfed for PVP that pistols found with mags attached wouldn't dramatically change gameplay; perhaps allowing pistols to take their rightful place as the commonly seen weapon among new spawns and veteran characters alike. In the presence of supersonic zombies, new spawns should have a higher likelihood of securing a ready-to-use pistol from an early stage, also allowing them an earlier opportunity to defend themselves from bandits and KoSers alike.

I swear to god, I made a post just like this like two days ago..........

also, dean commented on another thread just like this on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/21f2z9/suggestion_make_magazines_spawn_in_guns/cgclj9q?context=1

saying for everyone to please post your opinions about this.  I personally don't know why they started the spawns without the mags, but it sounds like they're gonna spawn in pistols with mags soon, so I'm stoked now.  Maybe you should turn this into a poll so the devs can see the numbers.

[Mr Jizz 313]

I swear to god, I made a post just like this like two days ago..........

also, dean commented on another thread just like this on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/21f2z9/suggestion_make_magazines_spawn_in_guns/cgclj9q?context=1

saying for everyone to please post your opinions about this.  I personally don't know why they started the spawns without the mags, but it sounds like they're gonna spawn in pistols with mags soon, so I'm stoked now.  Maybe you should turn this into a poll so the devs can see the numbers.

 

Done and Done. :beans:  It was actually my post that he was responding to, Dean loves me :rolleyes:  (yea right)

 

I think a separate question is pistols-to-mags ratio.  There should continue to be mags spawning separate of their parent gat.  I see it as a natural ratio, like that of chickens to eggs, primarily because most pistol owners would possess multiple mags.. ESPECIALLY cops and troops.  I personally believe that the amount of bullets currently spawning is perfect.  I think some folks get a little jaded by how often they see bullets they don't have any space for; this shouldn't be confused for too many bullets in loot spawns.  I think everyone can attest to situations where you find all the calibers you don't need, and none that you do.

[Mr Jizz 313]

bump

[taco86 156]

Your poll is too black and white imo...  Where is the option for "somtimes spawns with a magazine"

[Mr Jizz 313]

Your poll is too black and white imo...  Where is the option for "somtimes spawns with a magazine"

 

Personally I think the possibility is black and white.. Not that there aren't great opinions, I think a "Yes" vote doesn't close the door on pistols that can possibly spawn without a mag, just that when they do, how should the mag look?  The consensus that I've seen is that most folks agree that pistols IRL would have little cause to be found without a magazine.  I think the spirit of the game, as far as piecing things together, is being overstretched when it comes to sidearms.