Pistols too inaccurate as well as m4?!

[Sgt.BigBeasty 6]

anytihng out side of 20M and the pistols have a hard time hitting anything and ive noticed the m4 with a pristine ris pristine oe buttstock and a worn red dot has trouble being ccurate with calm breath with anything outside of 40M?! totally unrealistic...... thoughts

 

ps- 9mm pistols recoil is insane!

[Konna 149]

Insufficient Magpul parts. 

I'm all fine with the pistols, but the M4 has bugged me since the start. Always resorted to using any other weapon than M4.

[gibonez 3633]

Insufficient Magpul parts. 

I'm all fine with the pistols, but the M4 has bugged me since the start. Always resorted to using any other weapon than M4.

 

Thats what bugs me a piece of plastic mounted on a rifle does not magically turn a gun from a scatter gun into a precision rifle.

 

Those parts only affect the handling and weight of a weapon .

[irishroy 1347]

Magnum can be inaccurate as fuck sometimes...

[Mukaparska 55]

M4A1??? What the fuck? How is it supposed to be inaccurate? I think it's just fine...

[Konna 149]

im giving input and gathering info for the devs... so how about... stop trolling and getting off on the internet an go post something constructive

 

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed many times already, and that the dev's are aware. (Though, i have a feeling that the current M4 is just a placeholder anyway, and like i stated, the pistols are just fine. But that's just.. my opinion.)

[Sgt.BigBeasty 6]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed many times already, and that the dev's are aware. (Though, i have a feeling that the current M4 is just a placeholder anyway, and like i stated, the pistols are just fine. But that's just.. my opinion.)

 

if they are aware then why implement two new pistols cr75, and the 1911 and make them just as innaccurate? so maybe more discussion needs to happen to get a fix aye matey?!

[Konna 149]

if they are aware then why implement two new pistols cr75, and the 1911 and make them just as innaccurate? so maybe more discussion needs to happen to get a fix aye matey?!

 

I really hate to draw this card, but alpha. Everything is set to change. It'll come when it's time. Implement the base, and finetune everything after. That's how i see it.

[Sgt.BigBeasty 6]

I really hate to draw this card, but alpha. Everything is set to change. It'll come when it's time. Implement the base, and finetune everything after. That's how i see it.

sure, and im making the issue as transparent as possible, thanks for the useless input

[Konna 149]

sure, and im making the issue as transparent as possible, thanks for the useless input

 

Thanks for the attitude.  :rolleyes:

[liquidsnake 275]

I really hate to draw this card, but alpha. Everything is set to change. It'll come when it's time. Implement the base, and finetune everything after. That's how i see it.

I wouldn't call weapon accuracy "fine tuning". Weapon accuracy is part of the core experience IMO and especially the way it is now, it messes with the game too much to ignore it and fine tune it later.

[DNY 41]

"With the default stock and handguard, the M4A1 is extremely inaccurate. For comparison, it has 4 times the dispersion of the mod's M1014 shotgun."

 

This is what the wiki says about that and thats just ridiculous.

 

Espescially when you see an 60 year old redneck using it as a pistol and hit something with it! (at minute 4:30)

 

 

And dont say "Well thats not an M4 thats an AR-15 herpa derp" ! Its the same fuckin weapon platform !

Edited March 23, 2014 by DNY

[TheWanderingMan 170]

The way people moan about the pistols in this game is like they'd expect them to be able to pull off headshots at 100m.

 

With the amount of Americans that play this game I'd have thought there'd be more people clued up on firearms and their accuracy.

 

From my experience with pistols, a headshot at 30m with a .45 seems legit.

[hombrecz 832]

Not this topic again!  :huh:

[komadose 190]

yes. pistols and m4 should be more accurate than a sniper rifle, because that's the reality. atleast here in Idreamalotterville. i couldn't shoot a butterfly at 800 meters with M4. totally unrealistic bullshit.

[DNY 41]

yes. pistols and m4 should be more accurate than a sniper rifle, because that's the reality. atleast here in Idreamalotterville. i couldn't shoot a butterfly at 800 meters with M4. totally unrealistic bullshit.

 

Nobody said it should be that way. Maybe think twice before posting bullshit ;)

[-Gews- 7443]

From my experience with pistols, a headshot at 30m with a .45 seems legit.

The spread for the non-.22 pistols is roughly 1" for every yard... 5 inch groups at 5 yards? Try 25 yards and that's not considering mechanical accuracy.

 

On the other hand your sights are always perfectly aligned and everything's in focus, trigger control is clicking a mouse and short-range targets even seem to appear closer than in real life.

 

But there's too much dispersion IMO. They could cut it in half at least.

[Etherimp 1323]

How do you want to define max. effective range? 

A .45 (230gr HP @ 900fps) has a max point blank range (MPBR) on a 5" dia. vital zone target of 113 yards. At 100 yards it has 335 FPE. 

A 9mm (125gr HP @ 1200fps) has a max point blank range on a 5" dia. vital zone target of 139 yards. At 100 yards it has 269 FPE. 

A 9mm NATO load (115 FMJ @ 1300fps) bumps the MPBR zero out to 148 yards on a 5" dia. vital zone target. At 100 yards it has 283 FPE. 

They drop off very quickly after their MPBR zero. The .45 is -35.7" @200 yards, the 9mm is -29.6" @ 200 yards and the 9mm NATO is -23.6" @ 200 yards. 

Since the MPBR is so close and the energies are relatively similar I'd rate them as equivalent.

[Sutinen 635]

I seriously don't understand people who always defend this. They must be masochists or not use the guns at all. You can't hit anything past 50 meters even when you're standing still and not exhausted.

[gibonez 3633]

The way people moan about the pistols in this game is like they'd expect them to be able to pull off headshots at 100m.

With the amount of Americans that play this game I'd have thought there'd be more people clued up on firearms and their accuracy.

From my experience with pistols, a headshot at 30m with a .45 seems legit.

100m head shots are entirely possible with a pistol. That is if you can hold the gun steady and know the right hold over.

Yes a pistol is that accurate.

Reason why 90 percent of people can't do that is not because of random dispersion like in the game. It's because it's hard to keep the hand gun steady for a shot at the range.

[TheWanderingMan 170]

I seriously don't understand people who always defend this. They must be masochists or not use the guns at all. You can't hit anything past 50 meters even when you're standing still and not exhausted.

 

But they do it in movies so it must be reality, rightttt??

100m head shots are entirely possible with a pistol. That is if you can hold the gun steady and know the right hold over.

Yes a pistol is that accurate.

Reason why 90 percent of people can't do that is not because of random dispersion like in the game. It's because it's hard to keep the hand gun steady for a shot at the range.

 

 

Ok mate whatever you say lol.

[Buffaloe 87]

Well, the dispersion may (hopefully) be just a stop-gap feature. I hope it gets replaced by sway over the developement.

 

However, i think dispersion would still be a cool feature on damaged weapons.

[SFRGaming 718]

The problem with the M4A1 is they made weapon parts (Which do NOT affect the accuracy of the gun) affect the overall gun performance, rather than key areas. For example, will adding a MP handguard to my stock AR-15 IRL make the weapon more accurate? No, it will help with holding the gun steady, comfort-ability, and ergonomics. Will adding a MP buttstock to my AR-15 IRL increase accuracy? No, it will help with recoil management, gun steady-ing, etc... But none of those parts affect the accuracy of the WEAPON. Wanna know what REALLY affects that? Barrels. Now I'm not suggesting Dean just add in a match barrel and say "done". Because I have used a stock AR-15 barrel and it's not that bad. One thing I think Dean needs to do is take a trip to a gun range and use a variety of weapons so he can get a feel of what they should do. And he needs to benchfire every firearm. Benchfiring is literally the only way to test TRUE weapon accuracy. Firing it yourself will introduce operator error. 

 

In my final argument I can only say this:

 

Why make the game a balance between realism and authenticity when the guns are arcade-like?

Edited March 23, 2014 by Shadow134

[korpisoturi (DayZ) 127]

As always, M4 accuracy is fine when you but magpull parts in it. Just go loot couple hangars or grap mosin you dumb fucks.

 

But pistols,yeah too unaccurate, but you shouldn't hit 100m bullseyes with it either. I just hate when you aim at zombie in chest 10m from you and the bullets goes like: "LoL nope, my people need me"

[gannon46 788]

damn weapons in this game I swear its like little tikes my first rifle. make them accurate to the real weapon or don't add it plain and simple. realism we want it. by the polls the pistols are atrocious and the gun that's accutaually accurate to a degree the parts for it to be a good tool are rare now thanks to campers(you fucking D-bags). if the weapons don't get more realistic then I'm out I can play a 100 different games that have this kind of bullshit COD/BF4 as an example those games are fuckin stupid when it come to weapons.......and this game is right behind them quit holding our hands and make it realistic