Would You Balance The M4 and How / Bow and Arrow Discussion?

[leefriendfield 438]

We have all heard the complaint that the M4 is too inaccurate, too weak and has too much recoil. I completely agree with this so lets stem up some ideas on how to fix this or if the M4 should even be fixed at all.

 

How I would fix it:

First off I would give the M4 the accuracy of the supressed TRG in ArmA 3. That way you are not an amazing sniper pro but you are also accurate.

I would lower the M4's recoil to primarily up-and-to-the-right type of recoil with heavy vibrations from the bullets being fired throwing off the accuracy some when firing in full auto.

I feel that the M4 doesn't need its damage increased, rather its knock back ability from the high powered round should be enough to knock someone out after a few shots just like the SKS.

 

How would you balance the M4 or would you change it at all?

 

EDIT: Please lets keep this discussion to a civil conversation and not just some CAPS LOCK SHOUTING FEST.

Edited March 17, 2014 by LeeFriendField

[Irish. 4886]

I would add pristine MP parts to it and an ACOG.

 

DONE.

 

 

Also.. :) Did you see that Dayz nod that The Walking Dead did tonight?

Edited March 17, 2014 by lrish

[pacific_coast 632]

they drank from the pond.

[Crazy_Spider 235]

I would add pristine MP parts to it and an ACOG.

 

DONE.

 

 

Also.. :) Did you see that Dayz nod that The Walking Dead did tonight?

    I add all pristine parts to the M4, yet it still has too much in-accuracy. I feel that at 20 meters burst firing, I should be able to hit anyone I want. It's possible that I just suck with the M4, but side to side recoil is horribly hard to control, even with pristine parts.

[pacific_coast 632]

    I add all pristine parts to the M4, yet it still has too much in-accuracy. I feel that at 20 meters burst firing, I should be able to hit anyone I want. It's possible that I just suck with the M4, but side to side recoil is horribly hard to control, even with pristine parts.

parts have no better stats for conditions yet as far as i know

badly damaged or pristine it dont matter edit: except for scopes

Edited March 17, 2014 by pacific_coast

[Irish. 4886]

    I add all pristine parts to the M4, yet it still has too much in-accuracy. I feel that at 20 meters burst firing, I should be able to hit anyone I want. It's possible that I just suck with the M4, but side to side recoil is horribly hard to control, even with pristine parts.

 

I dont want to be the one to say it ;)

 

but.... with pristine MP (MAGPUL) parts+ACOG I can headshot stationary players 10/10 times at up to 400m.. 

 

Up close you really don't want to be anywhere near me and on my badside. Does not matter how fast you try to run away.. you're dead.

Edited March 17, 2014 by lrish

[gomeowmeow 45]

the COD kids are the ones who say the m4 has to much recoil cause they just spray full auto at someone at any distance and wonder why they didnt hit him or they say hes a hacker. the recoil feels almost spot on imo if anything it could have increased muzzle jump imo

[pacific_coast 632]

the game is also not using the traditional arma ballistics and i fear at least in alpha, when physics start to affect bullets we wil see a nerf to the m4 just based on bullet drop

 

also i would remove the double taped 60 round mags.

 

make those have to be crafted and reloaded after 30 rounds

[pacific_coast 632]

the COD kids are the ones who say the m4 has to much recoil cause they just spray full auto at someone at any distance and wonder why they didnt hit him or they say hes a hacker. the recoil feels almost spot on imo if anything it could have increased muzzle jump imo

do cod kids really post on dayz forums?

or are you tring to sound elitist for ego points?

edit: games like COD and battlefield are not dayz's competitors and are actually kinda fun to play.

just because you suck at FPS doesn't mean FPS's suck.

Edited March 17, 2014 by pacific_coast

[Crazy_Spider 235]

I dont want to be the one to say it ;)

 

but.... with pristine MP (MAGPUL) parts+ACOG I can headshot stationary players 10/10 times at up to 400m.. 

 

Up close you really don't want to be anywhere near me and on my badside. Does not matter how fast you try to run away.. you're dead.

   Yeah man, I had the MP buttstock, handguard, and pristine ACOG. Again, I probably just suck with the M4. I prefer the mosin, I can hit shots at 200 meters with iron sights on that badboy. With a PU I can hit around 400, and LRS at least 700-800.

[Crazy_Spider 235]

the COD kids are the ones who say the m4 has to much recoil cause they just spray full auto at someone at any distance and wonder why they didnt hit him or they say hes a hacker. the recoil feels almost spot on imo if anything it could have increased muzzle jump imo

    Haha, I'd imagine you're talking about me since I said the recoil feels awkward. I'd just like to say that #CodSucks. DayZ and Counter Strike are my games right now. Also, COD Kids just leave DayZ right as they get it because they're all like "WHY D1DNT 1 SPAWN WITH A GUNNNNN?????". You know it too.

[Irish. 4886]

do cod kids really post on dayz forums?

or are you tring to sound elitist for ego points?

edit: games like COD and battlefield are not dayz's competitors and are actually kinda fun to play.

just because you suck at FPS doesn't mean FPS's suck.

Yep. 

 

In my experience.. you only see people quote COD, that recently played it or recently just started playing something other than console FPS games and somehow feel justified in their superiority. 

[pacific_coast 632]

    Haha, I'd imagine you're talking about me since I said the recoil feels awkward. I'd just like to say that #CodSucks. DayZ and Counter Strike are my games right now. Also, COD Kids just leave DayZ right as they get it because they're all like "WHY D1DNT 1 SPAWN WITH A GUNNNNN?????". You know it too.

 

why are you calling out cod when you play CS

 

dear god

 

CS used to be legit (2001), now it is COD on crack

[Irish. 4886]

games like COD and battlefield are not dayz's competitors and are actually kinda fun to play.

just because you suck at FPS doesn't mean FPS's suck.

 

 

why are you calling out cod when you play CS

 

dear god

 

CS used to be legit (2001), now it is COD on crack

 

Wait, wut?!

 

:D lol

Edited March 17, 2014 by lrish

[pacific_coast 632]

In my experience.. you only see people quote COD, that recently played it or recently just started playing something other than console FPS games and somehow feel justified in their superiority. 

 

a lot, and i mean A LOT of people who convert to the PC master race have this wild zealous proving period where all that does not conform is inferior.

few out grow this dogma and miss out on fun games and grief themselves.

[pacific_coast 632]

Wait, wut?!

CS 1.5/1.6 and maybe CSS are legit tactical fps.

all new stuff is a bad bad bad attempt at market conformity.

[gibonez 3633]

Balance the m4?

I would do the following.

-eliminate the idiotic dispersion and accessories mechanic in the game.

-add ace style ballistics and weapon resting

- allow only accessories to work on the weapons they would easily work with in real life.

- go back and redo the accuracy of all the weapons and give them their real life accuracy values ie. M4 approximately 2 moa at 100m, mosin about 4.

Any weapon then seen as being op is lowered in the pool so the only way to balance it is to make it less available not the stupid unrealistic dispersion and accessories system.

[pacific_coast 632]

Balance the m4?

-add ace style ballistics and weapon resting

no offense to the devs but lol omfg ACE level coding is BEYOND them.

lower your hopes dammit your reminding me of the limitations of this fundamentally flawed concept!!!1

[Irish. 4886]

Balance the m4?

I would do the following.

-eliminate the idiotic dispersion and accessories mechanic in the game.

-add ace style ballistics and weapon resting

- allow only accessories to work on the weapons they would easily work with in real life.

- go back and redo the accuracy of all the weapons and give them their real life accuracy values ie. M4 approximately 2 moa at 100m, mosin about 4.

Any weapon then seen as being op is lowered in the pool so the only way to balance it is to make it less available not the stupid unrealistic dispersion and accessories system.

 

Dev reads your post...

 

proceeds to get to work on the bow and arrow. :/

[pacific_coast 632]

ugh, bow and arrow is going to be weak, especially the people who will go nuts and form cowboys and indians rp clans...

god no, i can see it now....

 

horses...

so many horses....

Edited March 17, 2014 by pacific_coast

[Irish. 4886]

ugh, bow and arrow is going to be weak, especially the people who will go nuts and form cowboys and indians rp clans...

god no, i can see it now....

 

horses...

so many horses....

I just fucking sharted I laughed so hard.. shit. Literally, shit.  

 

Go ahead take 'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Edited March 17, 2014 by lrish

[leefriendfield 438]

ugh, bow and arrow is going to be weak, especially the people who will go nuts and form cowboys and indians rp clans...

god no, i can see it now....

 

horses...

so many horses....

Here are some logos for those clans: 

       

Edited March 17, 2014 by LeeFriendField

[Dagwood 680]

M4 is plenty accurate on semi-auto. Hold breath point and click. And full auto provides best suppressing fire in game. What needs improvement?

[Irish. 4886]

semi-auto

 

? I can haz semi fire too o.O

[gibonez 3633]

Dev reads your post...

proceeds to get to work on the bow and arrow. :/

Lol its hilarious because it's probably true. If not a bow and arrow it's something else that is incredibly stupid like leg warmers.

I know they have the technological knowhow, they can easily add all of the ace enhancements that have improved Arma.

Heck even if they merely stole the bipod and weapon deployment mechanics from ace mod I would he satisfied. The current shooting mechanics and bipod mechanics in dayz are so mind numbingly stupid and clumsy.