What Solutions Do You Have To Filter Out The Toxic Exploiting Part of DayZ From The Rest of The Community?

[leefriendfield 438]

THIS IS NOT A RANT POST

Before you look at my post and go “DAYUM another rage post” I want to point out there is a solutions section to this post at the bottom under the TL;DR. I bring up the issue of people abusing in game mechanics so severely to the point of turning people off the game. Please leave your suggestion as to how to prevent the problematic part of DayZ from destroying the enjoyment of other and turning people off the game. I am not talking about silly stuff like duplication, but rather mass exploitation to gain an ingame advantage to fight an attacker or become unkillable turning the game into a shooting galery.

 

YES THIS GAME IS IN ALPHA, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING UP ISSUES SO THEY CAN BE DEALT WITH BY THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM

 

BACKGROUND:

 

DayZ is damn fine game, addicting, thrilling and very psychologically scary. With so many people seeing videos about DayZ and buying the game on Steam it is expected that a few bad apples will come here and there. The problem is not those bad apples, but rather the worms that fall out of those bad apples the cancer of the apple tree that is DayZ. I am a well experienced DayZ player I am calm headed and it takes a lot to set me over the edge, but the kind of experiences that I faced today that many people are challenged with really hit me hard. The patheticness of some players is pretty amazing on how badly they ruin the game for themselves and others. Combat logging, Ghosting, Server Hopping and my favourite duplication are some of the many exploits in this game but that's child's play. The stuff I witnessed go down today really made me think “How low is the bar on morality and sportsmanship in this game?”

 

STORY:

 

While traversing through Electro I see a couple of fully armed guys and I decided lets go make friends with them so I can loot in peace. I walk over there and introduce myself in the northern fire station lobby when 3 fully armed players come out guns pointed at me with a man in an orange raincoat yelling “GET ON THE FLOOR!!!!” I calmly responded “Why would I get on the ground, so you can shoot me easier? Yea, no you have to catch me first.” I turn and run as some 60 shots fly over my head. I sprint away as my friend Tez is logging into the fire station next to the church and I ask my Tez to put some bullets into their brain parts he obliges. I decided what the hell might as well run back and so I head on back but this time they moved. My Tez radios me and says they repositioned in the log cabin to the west.

 

I move over there and there they are, all 4 of them at the front of the cabin I walk up to them as they begin yelling at me to drop on the ground. I told them to bugger off and soon enough some 100+ bullets from 2 M4’s and an SKS fly near me. I tell my Tez tez their god awful shots it's an easy kill for you, but he didn't have an angle on them. I decided to run back to the log cabin to taunt them a little and sure enough there they are on the front porch steps and quickly enough they begin firing. I begin running around the cabin telling them to kill me, shoot me come on do it. They fail at shooting me so they try to yell at me to get on the floor so I responded with “Yeah, hell no” as they scrambled back into the cabin in fear of my mighty fist of fury. I see them huddled up in the cabin so I decided to huddle behind it, I grabbed my laptop and 3.5mm male-to-male audio jack I plug my laptops audio out to my Microphone in. I pull up youtube and find the Benny Hill Theme then crank up my volume and turned on my VOIP.

 

As Benny Hill’s Theme is being blasted over VOIP I decided to pull a stupid and sit at the doorway of the cabin crouched just below the windows. I then start opening and closing the door with each and every time the man inside shooting at nothing through the door. I asked if they had given up yet and received the cold shoulder. I run around the cabin some more then took a small peek through the window. Three of them gone, logged off and disappeared in the sunset with the 4th one guarding their combat logging bodies. I turned off the music and switched back to my main mic walk into the house no fist up, look the man straight in the eye with his gun pointing at me and asked him this.

 

“This is not fun for anyone, you are cheating yourself, your buddies, myself and any other dayz player of this game. Why do you play like this, what satisfaction do you get out of ruining the game for everyone? Is it really worth it never dying just leaving if you are scared by even a fresh spawn like myself. DayZ is a fun game but with the cancer that is people like you it ruins the game, please explain to me what satisfaction do you get out of this, how is this fun for anyone?” He stared at me not uttering a word and then shot me dead. “You must be proud, go along and play this game like COD go ahead and cheat yourself of $30.” Was my final response.

 

“Tez lets jump off this server, they probably looted it to all hell.” I said as I explained to him what just happened. Se we jump ship onto another server I make a run back to Elector while Tez repositions on top of sniper hill awaiting my return to the city. I make it up sniper hill to meet with him when he tells me these 4 people down there at the firestation. I drop my FOV to the minimum and take a look towards the fire station muttering “Holy Shit... That's them!” The same orange raincoat, the same 2 green M$’s the same TTSKO pants and ruined checkered shirt, same clown mask and everything.

 

Tez lines up a shot on one of the guys and strikes him in the chest taking him down instantly with his Mosin. There buddies quickly huttle in the fire station like scared rabbits. I run down the mountain while Tez takes some more shots at their heads, I find the body of the guy but he's not dead so I grabbed all his crap and put one .357 magnum shot straight into his brain parts. Confirmed kill, now with an M4 and plenty of ammo I began making my way towards the fire station and opened the first door only to be greeted by a good 010 bullets, but not one hit me. I duck and go to third person to look around the corner and there I see 2 guys leaving the server. I decided to leave the other guy in the fire station because he had the advantage and I already had one of their buddies entire collection of gear. I make my way up to Tez when bullets start falling near me from the fire station, the same guy I let live. I huddle about 25 meters form Tez as we begin fighting back against the man in the fire station shooting at us.

 

We were in a stalemate for a good 3 minutes, i'm out of ammo when I hear Tez yelling at me that heres reloading next to him, I look over just to see the Clown Mask guy I saw in the fire station leaving the server, now popping into existence. “I'm dead” Tez yells as the clown masked man shoots him a good 20 times throughout his entire body. I look around and see at the green house about 50 meters away and see a black man walking out of the wall wearing that same orange raincoat. I striped all my cloths and walked over to the clown masked man while he stared at me. I pressed F2 and he just looked at me and said “You fagots killed our friend, you shot my buddy down there. You need to pay you little shits.” He puts a bullet in my leg and forced me to sit there with my hands on my head.

 

Curious about what will happen I stayed and I see this naked fresh spawn walk up the hill, the guy Tez shot earlier. He grabbed his gear and walked over to me and in his ever so pre-pupic voice said “This is the little shit hacker that was following us at the cabin, stuff is fat face full of rotten fruit.” Soon enough I am starving, thirsty sick and have broken legs. They laugh telling me to get good that I am below them that they are better than me. I decided to leave the server, but before I did I gave them one last bit of dialogue “I feel sorry for you” and poof I left the server.

 

TL;DR

 

The exploits in this game are not a problem, but rather the people who use them. I came across a group of 4 children who felt so threatened by a group of fresh spawns that they decided to combat log away from my fist of fury. I changed to another server at around 14 players and saw the same group of guys running to the fire station. My friend, Tez shot one and I grabbed his loot while proceeded to the fire station. He almost killed me, but not before I saw his two buddies leaving the server. I decided to help aid Tez up the hill in shooting this guy. I exhausted all my ammunition while shooting at the one guy left in the fire station. We then are killed by the two buddies who left the server and rejoined behind us, they had been exploiting the numerous bugs in DayZ, so how do you deal with them.

 

THE PROBLEM:

 

Many players in this game mas exploit the systems in DayZ ruining the balance and hurting the community of this game. Many people have been turned off from playing the game because of the people who mass exploit the system, the toxic part of Dayz. What solution would you offer to minimize the toxic part of the DayZ community?

 

SOLUTIONS:

 

Bandits, KOS, Torture, these are the things that make this game amazing to play. Giving myself and many other players an amazing experience, but some people use these tactics along with mass exploitation of current build to feel powerful. In doing so these player alienate many people who enjoy the DayZ experience not only potentially hurting the sale value of this game but also tearing apart the veteran community of people who came from the mod. Many people have stopped playing DayZ altogether because of the current exploits, so as a community lets develop solutions to stop the alienating and hurting of this game from these certain players.

 

A) Report Button, Yes have a report button to report players using these tactics, and if a player has a certain negative reputation disallow them from the regular servers and throw them in cheater servers. That way you segregate the problematic part of the community from the fair ones of DayZ. This brings along some problems, say a streamer has a large following if enough people come together and report him it would cheat the system, same thing with people on YouTube like FrankieonPCin1080p. This would not a viable option because of the amount of abuse that can spur from this.

 

B ) Blocking Players, The ability to block a player(s) so as you don't play on the same server would be something I want. Say you decide to join a server and someone you have on your block list is in it, have a little message pop up that says xxx is in here or when said blocked player joins your server you get a message that say xxx has joined your server. I would love this for many streamers who are stream sniped would sure enjoy this aswell, it would be a benefit to the community. The problem is you would have to know the name of the person you're blocking, if you are killed by aman in a glitch who didn't show his name who do you know to block? You would have to introduce the system of showing who killed you which I doubt the devs want to put in.

 

Ultimately there is a problem in dayz and that is come of the people who play are a cancer to the game, turning off players and hurting the games reputation. My solutions have flaws in them which stop them from being being only a benefit, but also a negative too. My question to you is what solution do you have to solve the problem of mass in game exploiting? I will add your solutions to the list of solutions I currently have.

 

Thank You For Reading

Kyle

Edited March 4, 2014 by LeeFriendField

[nighhawk 41]

Looks like a rant post to me. Can you summarize for the lazy (me).

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

Looks like a rant post to me. Can you summarize for the lazy (me).

 

Exploits 3rd person view, rants about other people exploiting.

 

Man up OP play on hardcore.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Franchi

[leefriendfield 438]

Looks like a rant post to me. Can you summarize for the lazy (me).

TL;DR

 

The exploits in this game are not a problem, but rather the people who use them. I came across a group of 4 children who felt so threatened by a group of fresh spawns that they decided to combat log away from my fist of fury. I changed to another server at around 14 players and saw the same group of guys running to the fire station. My friend, Tez shot one and I grabbed his loot while proceeded to the fire station. He almost killed me, but not before I saw his two buddies leaving the server. I decided to help aid Tez up the hill in shooting this guy. I exhausted all my ammunition while shooting at the one guy left in the fire station. We then are killed by the two buddies who left the server and rejoined behind us, they had been exploiting the numerous bugs in DayZ, so how do you deal with them.

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

Wtf..

 

 

1.) You behaved like a prick. "Yea, no you have to catch me first." ...I would have shot at you as well after that answer (and I'm neither a KoS guy nor a handcuff+torture one). I hate these kind of people. Circle runners and freshspawn-rocky-#YOLO-puncher are the worst for me, rigth after hacker and equal to server hopper....but I probably wouldn't have missed you if I had shot.

I begin running around the cabin telling them to kill me, shoot me come on do it. Yeah....

As Benny Hill’s Theme is being blasted over VOIP I decided to pull a stupid and sit at the doorway of the cabin crouched just below the windows. I then start opening and closing the door with each and every time the man inside shooting at nothing through the door. I asked if they had given up yet

Really...?

 

And that sentence...Bandits, KOS, Torture, these are the things that make this game amazing to play.  Yeah. But instead of playing along you decided to "Catch me first" run around, punching and blasting Benny hill...*clap* *clap* *clap*

 

2) There is a 30 second logout timer

 

3) there is a login timer if you leave a server to fats after joining as well. So that guy ghosted you, which means, you camped them for AT LEAST 6 minutes (30 seconds logout, login to another server+change position+30seconds logout+5minute wait timer), i'd say 7 minutes if he was really, really fast.

 

4) Imho you deserved what happened, just for your initial reaction.

 

.........to your points:

 

a) Report button without knowing who the other player is = useless. And afaik it is not planned to show that information...

b )Blocking players would only work on Steam-level. For that you would need the ability to add them first, which you can't do, since you see point a) don't know who they are.

Edited March 4, 2014 by LaughingJack

[Regulator Sierra 19]

in short he met some some dicks, they did some shooting, all hopped server and ran into eachother again and did some more shooting.

 

Im sure this happends to 2/3 players everyday.

 

Can relate to the frustration though.

[doctorrayray 76]

Well DayZ is pretty much anonymous so your solutions are pointless. And for the combat logging and ghosting, that has already been fixed (to a degree).

[mosibfu 71]

Once you give away your position, by firing.. move.

[drewsta 74]

Oh my did this really happen? I feel sick, I don't think I can play Dayz anymore. Op I can sympathize with everything your saying and your exploits are fantastic, I just love the way you play this game, the benny hill thing was a classic, you are the best mate,.I wish everyone could side with you about this. I sincerely hope you will be ok and that this won't affect your real life too much.

 

Not sure if that's the response you were looking for, or why else bother posting another "I'm upset" thread. You could have easily kept that to yourself and moved on. Seems to me it's a more descriptive story about how cool you and your mate play in game but hey that could be just me.

 

Thanks for your wonderful post. Hope you enjoyed my useless response.

[Highlander007 249]

Wtf..

 

 

1.) You behaved like a prick. "Yea, no you have to catch me first." ...I would have shot at you as well after that answer (and I'm neither a KoS guy nor a handcuff+torture one). I hate these kind of people. Circle runners and freshspawn-rocky-#YOLO-puncher are the worst for me, rigth after hacker and equal to server hopper....but I probably wouldn't have missed you if I had shot.

I begin running around the cabin telling them to kill me, shoot me come on do it. Yeah....

As Benny Hill’s Theme is being blasted over VOIP I decided to pull a stupid and sit at the doorway of the cabin crouched just below the windows. I then start opening and closing the door with each and every time the man inside shooting at nothing through the door. I asked if they had given up yet

Really...?

 

And that sentence...Bandits, KOS, Torture, these are the things that make this game amazing to play.  Yeah. But instead of playing along you decided to "Catch me first" run around, punching and blasting Benny hill...*clap* *clap* *clap*

 

2) There is a 30 second logout timer

 

3) there is a login timer if you leave a server to fats after joining as well. So that guy ghosted you, which means, you camped them for AT LEAST 6 minutes (30 seconds logout, login to another server+change position+30seconds logout+5minute wait timer), i'd say 7 minutes if he was really, really fast.

 

4) Imho you deserved what happened, just for your initial reaction.

 

.........to your points:

 

a) Report button without knowing who the other player is = useless. And afaik it is not planned to show that information...

b )Blocking players would only work on Steam-level. For that you would need the ability to add them first, which you can't do, since you see point a) don't know who they are.

it burns , so much

Edited March 4, 2014 by Highlander007

[oregonized 673]

[Daemonkid 493]

Wtf..

 

 

1.) You behaved like a prick. "Yea, no you have to catch me first." ...I would have shot at you as well after that answer (and I'm neither a KoS guy nor a handcuff+torture one). I hate these kind of people. Circle runners and freshspawn-rocky-#YOLO-puncher are the worst for me, rigth after hacker and equal to server hopper....but I probably wouldn't have missed you if I had shot.

I begin running around the cabin telling them to kill me, shoot me come on do it. Yeah....

As Benny Hill’s Theme is being blasted over VOIP I decided to pull a stupid and sit at the doorway of the cabin crouched just below the windows. I then start opening and closing the door with each and every time the man inside shooting at nothing through the door. I asked if they had given up yet

Really...?

 

And that sentence...Bandits, KOS, Torture, these are the things that make this game amazing to play.  Yeah. But instead of playing along you decided to "Catch me first" run around, punching and blasting Benny hill...*clap* *clap* *clap*

 

2) There is a 30 second logout timer

 

3) there is a login timer if you leave a server to fats after joining as well. So that guy ghosted you, which means, you camped them for AT LEAST 6 minutes (30 seconds logout, login to another server+change position+30seconds logout+5minute wait timer), i'd say 7 minutes if he was really, really fast.

 

4) Imho you deserved what happened, just for your initial reaction.

 

.........to your points:

 

a) Report button without knowing who the other player is = useless. And afaik it is not planned to show that information...

b )Blocking players would only work on Steam-level. For that you would need the ability to add them first, which you can't do, since you see point a) don't know who they are.

Why should have he complied? They were obviously going to shoot him as soon as he went prone. 

If I were in that situation, I would've told him to fuck off I don't bother shooting strafers unless they try to get close and punch me, but I always sport a moto helmet in my pack whenever I see an unarmed player put it on and then try to engage in convo. If you try to punch me, won't do any good and I just switch to my axe and cut their faces off.

 

But on topic, combat loggers and ghosters and wall glitches are a scourge, they can't play the game in a genuine and legit way, so they use everything they can to gain an advantage over another person because well, they are awful at the game. 

[strangelyquiet 67]

So many words to say so little.

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

Why should have he complied? They were obviously going to shoot him as soon as he went prone.

 

And he knew that by which reason?

 

Really, sometimes the people here confuse me.

 

Coming from the same player in 2 different threads:

"We need more player interaction, even if it's bad for me"

"As soon as somebody says "Freeze" or "drop your weapon" or "go prone" I run around like hell und punch furiously"

 

....really?

 

Edit: Even worse was the guy that said "I will never comply if anybody points a weapon at me, no matter if I have a gun, an axe or only my fists, i will always try to kill him, I may only succeed in 1/100 cases but it's worth."

Some guy, 3 days before that in one of the 500 KoS threads "KoS is bad, it ruins everything. I always get only shot on sight, I never had an experience like you described with a robber."

 

 

And the OP is exactly the same:

"“GET ON THE FLOOR!!!!” I calmly responded “Why would I get on the ground, so you can shoot me easier? Yea, no you have to catch me first.” "

"Bandits, KOS, Torture, these are the things that make this game amazing to play."

 

...he just writes both in one post.

Edited March 4, 2014 by LaughingJack

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Report button: Nah, this is not DOTA, and to who? To the devs? The bloke who rent the server? The devs have better things to do and the guy renting the server doesn't need more power.

 

Combat logging: Well your story pretty much prove that 30 seconds to log out is nowhere near long enough. But i've been saying this for a while now.

 

Server hopping: That's a given, having multiple servers is all about load balancing to me, it's not so you can just hop around. You should not be able to play on a different server after you joined one for ... well lets say 30 minutes? Server hopping for loot is pretty much frowned upon and so is hopping to teleport behind enemies sooo.

 

 

This is like war really, there is no fair, it's only about winning. The best the DayZ team can do is to make the action of logging in/out harder to use as an advantage.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Lady Kyrah

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

 

...he just writes both in one post.

Yeah that's called a double standard, and it's extremely common really.

Most people don't hold others to the same rules as they hold themselve to.

[strangelyquiet 67]

Sorry OP, I should've responded to the post rather than just make a snarky comemt. So...

 

On your own account they said they thought you were a 'hacker'. *If* people assume they genuinely thought that, here's what happened.

1) 4 geared friends looting in a known hotspot. A stranger comes up. He refuses to comply with orders and then runs around taunting them. In your own words 160+ bullets are fired at you, but you remain alive. They move off, disengaging from you, by which time they know you have a sniper friend. You continue to antagonise them, running around and playing 'funny' music. They log off.

 

2) They go to another server. You and your buddy show up again (by chance, but they don't know that). This time you and your friend kill one of them and loot his body. They again try to kill you without success. They fight back and eventually you and your friend are dead.

 

Are you capable of seeing things from their point of view? At the very worst they're guilty of combat logging. But you and your friend have shown yourself to be hostile - all because they didn't want to engage with you in the first place.

 

I hardly think they displayed "toxic exploiting". But the reason you and your friend ended up dead is not their fault it's yours. If you back off and leave them well alone, maybe go pick a different group to speak to, no one dies.

[daisho 74]

The problem are people that go server-hopping-looting all the time to gear up, just to then only engage in fresh-spawns, undergeared and not-so experienced players and battlelog once shit hits the fan but at the same time go "KoS-ing is totally legit, let  me play the way I want to, this is sandbox, stop crying because I killed you".

 

I'm not crying, nor am I ranting and I'm far from saying that every player KoS'ing will act that way but the players that act like this are the ones that make everyone elses gaming experience misserable as there is totally no point for that kind of behaviour.

 

I'm fairly new, I got like 40hrs of gaming time under my belt in the SA, didnt play the mod before.... and in these 40hrs I've met 2 people who not shot me right away the moment they saw me, no matter if I even had a weapon of any kind or just was a fresh spawn running around looking for food while they were either lonewolfing in full endgame gear/ weapons or even in full squads geared up to the max.

Sometimes they just decided to handcuff me, call me names and mock me for a few minutes and shoot me a couple times to various body parts while I was handcuffed on the floor so I don't die instantly and they can keep calling me names and make fun of me.

 

Again...yes, this is a legit playing style the problem to me imho is the percentage of encounters with other players you have that end up like this.

Further, I wouldn't even mind this kind of encounter if I would be fully armed myself, it would happen in some critical area for military loot and/ or would have made a wrong step, but respawning, then getting raped by a group of 3-4 people in full military gear 15-20 minutes later mocking me like they just would have achieved something or shown some skill ain't cool.

 

Maybe I was just unlucky with the people I've met on the servers I've played on so far and I'm still quite laidback, enjoying the game but it IS getting tiresome.

 

/edit: typos

Edited March 4, 2014 by daisho

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

I really think sometimes it's some way of "national" mentality (can't find a better word right now)....somehow at least.I play on european servers, mostly german or Uk, because...well best pings.^^

 

I got KoSd 3 times in more than 100 hours of SA, 2 times at NWAF, and 2 or 3 (sniper-)attempts on me that failed.

I had ONE robbery (well...he came up to me in front and said: "Gimme your weapon" without aiming at me, so  I shot in his face O.o )

3 times a freshspawn tried to PoS me (and all failed miserably, two because they couldn't knock me out with one hit...).

On the other hand I had by now 9 friendly encounters, people I spoke with, traded with, scavenged together etc.

A dozen or more "awkward" encounter like this scheme: Hello-Hello-already looted XYZ=-Yeah-take care, i heard shots at ZX - ok thanks by

And more people than I wanted to count, that never saw me, because I didn't wanted them to..full military+weapon running around in a squad of 3 or more...

Edited March 4, 2014 by LaughingJack

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Sorry OP, I should've responded to the post rather than just make a snarky comemt. So...

 

On your own account they said they thought you were a 'hacker'. *If* people assume they genuinely thought that, here's what happened.

1) 4 geared friends looting in a known hotspot. A stranger comes up. He refuses to comply with orders and then runs around taunting them. In your own words 160+ bullets are fired at you, but you remain alive. They move off, disengaging from you, by which time they know you have a sniper friend. You continue to antagonise them, running around and playing 'funny' music. They log off.

 

2) They go to another server. You and your buddy show up again (by chance, but they don't know that). This time you and your friend kill one of them and loot his body. They again try to kill you without success. They fight back and eventually you and your friend are dead.

 

Are you capable of seeing things from their point of view? At the very worst they're guilty of combat logging. But you and your friend have shown yourself to be hostile - all because they didn't want to engage with you in the first place.

 

I hardly think they displayed "toxic exploiting". But the reason you and your friend ended up dead is not their fault it's yours. If you back off and leave them well alone, maybe go pick a different group to speak to, no one dies.

Yes but this is DayZ , what"they" want doesn't really matter, you're not supposed to just be able to "substract" yourself from situations you aren't interested to participate in.

[Hetstaine 10852]

Once you give away your position, by firing.. move.

 

 This..and atm because of the mass wall glitching i don't go into Elektro/Cherno/Berezino, why put yourself at such a big disadvantage ? Plus it is easier to round up people on the big runs in between the towns ;)

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

*yawn*

 

Wonder how half of the population will gear up with the "dupping" fixed...

 

*wink*

*wink*

 

 

OP, thanks for the stories. But if you read what you wrote you display the same behaviour as the one you point fingers at... well, especially the hopping part.

 

But all in all I still don't understand EXACTLY what you mean.

 

Stable has some crap situations at the moment which have been fixed on Exp. and will be deployed soon enough.

 

So...

 

Patiently waiting for your after patch rant.

[strangelyquiet 67]

Yes but this is DayZ , what"they" want doesn't really matter, you're not supposed to just be able to "substract" yourself from situations you aren't interested to participate in.

 

I agree with you on the logging and said as much. But 4 guys logging out because they didn't like / understand (if they thought he was a hacker) the encounter they had isn't the end of the world (pun intended) at this stage of the development process. And my comment to the OP was to try to suggest that maybe he's taking this all a bit too seriously.

[Jex 1104]

Report button: Nah, this is not DOTA, and to who? To the devs? The bloke who rent the server? The devs have better things to do and the guy renting the server doesn't need more power.

 

Combat logging: Well your story pretty much prove that 30 seconds to log out is nowhere near long enough. But i've been saying this for a while now.

 

Server hopping: That's a given, having multiple servers is all about load balancing to me, it's not so you can just hop around. You should not be able to play on a different server after you joined one for ... well lets say 30 minutes? Server hopping for loot is pretty much frowned upon and so is hopping to teleport behind enemies sooo.

 

 

This is like war really, there is no fair, it's only about winning. The best the DayZ team can do is to make the action of logging in/out harder to use as an advantage.

 

The log out timer is definitely too short. Nobody is going to move on someone in 30 seconds. If it all goes quiet the first 30 seconds are spent looking for movement. I dunno what the timer should be but it needs to be long enough to make you worry but not too long that it's ridiculous. 2 minutes is coming to mind for me.

 

As for switching servers, the time should be incremental so the first switch is 10 mins, then 15, then 20 say. 10 minutes is nothing anyway - in that time you go to the toilet, grab a drink maybe some food, watch gay porn for a while then ur ready to get back into it.

[iBane 381]

Solution: properly report exploits so they can be fixed.  

 

For every jackass that will actually pay a monthly subscription to hack in games like this, there are 1000 snot-nosed bozos who will exploit free-to-use in-game exploits at every conceivable opportunity.  You cannot cure these people or eliminate them from the community.  

 

You report exploits/glitches properly so the dev team can fix them and learn to outsmart the lazy exploiting competition.  The high road is nearly always the more difficult road.