Blaze B95 Rifle

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Where and when is that? Mexican revolution? Epic illustration.

China ca. 1900, Boxer Rebellion.

Anyways: the Blaser is the more accurate rifle, as always there are the odd exceptions. However the Blaser's two barrels don't shoot to the same point of aim, and the sights are not adjustable without tools.

[Demoth 366]

Sharpshooters have recorded data of it hitting targets as far as 1.5km, and perfect conditions to 2.5km. 1500 plus yards in the right hands and with perfect conditions. Granted, Zaitsev was fighting in Stalingrad, and a 300 yard shot in those conditions is impressive, the average effective range is 500 to 800 yards with optics.

 

I normally like reading what you right, but this 1.5km and 2.5km stuff about the Mosin? Whaaaa?

 

What targets were they hitting with Mosins at 1.5km? Let alone 2.5km?!?!? That's 100 meters farther than the longest recorded sniper kill, and that was with a .50 BMG round.

 

I'm sorry man, but I have to seriously call into question your sources because the only gun I can imagine being able to hit those distances are specially built bench-rest target guns (and even then....)

[Ineedscoffee 464]

I normally like reading what you right, but this 1.5km and 2.5km stuff about the Mosin? Whaaaa?

What targets were they hitting with Mosins at 1.5km? Let alone 2.5km?!?!? That's 100 meters farther than the longest recorded sniper kill, and that was with a .50 BMG round.

I'm sorry man, but I have to seriously call into question your sources because the only gun I can imagine being able to hit those distances are specially built bench-rest target guns (and even then....)

That came from google lol. I slightly doubted it to, figured what the hell, got a mouth foamer to deal with :p

China ca. 1900, Boxer Rebellion.Anyways: the Blaser is the more accurate rifle, as always there are the odd exceptions. However the Blaser's two barrels don't shoot to the same point of aim, and the sights are not adjustable without tools.

We weren't debating accuracy, tis the range. He seems hell bent on a blaser out ranging a mosin. Edited February 14, 2014 by Ineedscoffee

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

First off boy, trying to compile information while assisting customers, does not qualify as desperate. Second, owning two mosins hardly makes you an expert on every known production and or variation out there.

Get some proof up of a mosin being ranged by a blaser. Otherwise, I'm dismissing this as fanboyism.

Wait you are dismissing this as fanboism, I own two mosins, I do not own nor will I ever own  Blaser, if I spend 2K on a single gun without glass there are a hell of a lot of other much better (for me) guns to buy. Yet you think I am a Blaser fanboi? What kind of logic is this? I am arguing with you becasue  I am a trained Gunsmith, not an armorer a Gunsmith and seeing someone post ignorance like you do offends me.

 

That came from google lol. I slightly doubted it to, figured what the hell, got a mouth foamer to deal with :P

We weren't debating accuracy, tis the range. He seems hell bent on a blaser out ranging a mosin.

 

Oh god what to do with this gem, in game the Blaser and the mosin use the same cartridges, so if one is more accurate than the other as the Blaser is, it will be MORE effective at longer ranges.

 

Are you trolling me? At this point the ignorance is just to much to bear, especially from a "marine"

 

China ca. 1900, Boxer Rebellion.

Anyways: the Blaser is the more accurate rifle, as always there are the odd exceptions. However the Blaser's two barrels don't shoot to the same point of aim, and the sights are not adjustable without tools.

Yeah, neat thing about the Blaser is that regulating it is not that huge of a deal so you can regulate the crossover to whatever you prefer. Not that that will ever make dayz mind you, just a neat feature ze Germans included.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Franchi

[Ineedscoffee 464]

I normally like reading what you right, but this 1.5km and 2.5km stuff about the Mosin? Whaaaa?

 

What targets were they hitting with Mosins at 1.5km? Let alone 2.5km?!?!? That's 100 meters farther than the longest recorded sniper kill, and that was with a .50 BMG round.

 

I'm sorry man, but I have to seriously call into question your sources because the only gun I can imagine being able to hit those distances are specially built bench-rest target guns (and even then....)

Heres a modified mosin at 1000 yards. I'm not only sticking to stock data.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dt2M1hC4c0tc

[Ineedscoffee 464]

And here's 1500 yards, though this is not a mosin.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KA5xmQGZHc4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKA5xmQGZHc4

Edited February 14, 2014 by Ineedscoffee

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Wait you are dismissing this as fanboism, I own two mosins, I do not own nor will I ever own Blaser, if I spend 2K on a single gun without glass there are a hell of a lot of other much better (for me) guns to buy. Yet you think I am a Blaser fanboi? What kind of logic is this? I am arguing with you becasue I am a trained Gunsmith, not an armorer a Gunsmith and seeing someone post ignorance like you do offends me.

Oh god what to do with this gem, in game the Blaser and the mosin use the same cartridges, so if one is more accurate than the other as the Blaser is, it will be MORE effective at longer ranges.

Are you trolling me? At this point the ignorance is just to much to bear, especially from a "marine"

Yeah, neat thing about the Blaser is that regulating it is not that huge of a deal so you can regulate the crossover to whatever you prefer. Not that that will ever make dayz mind you, just a neat feature ze Germans included.

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Also gunsmith does not dictate sharpshooter. Just because you design them, make them, etc, doesent mean your any closer to proving that a blaser can out range a mosin, Which was the initial argument. I don't give two shits about which is more accurate. I'm not talking about in game either. I want proof that a blaser can out range a mosin, which you have still failed to provide. Till such is provided, I'm sticking with the mosin having superior range.

Currently, your coming across as Ken Ham. I'm half expecting you to start saying "well, in the book......"

Edited February 14, 2014 by Ineedscoffee

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@IneedsCoffee

This is embarrassing, you're clearly arguing on a topic out of your league. Some people just don't know when to shut up.

Ironically you're the one sounding like Ken Ham right now.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Hatebringer

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

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Also gunsmith does not dictate sharpshooter. Just because you design them, make them, etc, doesent mean your any closer to proving that a blaser can out range a mosin, Which was the initial argument. I don't give two shits about which is more accurate. I'm not talking about in game either. I want proof that a blaser can out range a mosin, which you have still failed to provide. Till such is provided, I'm sticking with the mosin having superior range.

Currently, your coming across as Ken Ham. I'm half expecting you to start saying "well, in the book......"

 

 

Gunsmith entails that I understand what affects a guns accuracy.

 

Ok Ill KISS this for you

 

In game B95 is chambered in the same cartridge as the mosin

 

Firing an identical cartridge one is more accurate at 100 yards (the B95)

 

The more accurate rifle will be more accurate at 1000 yards as well (the B95)

 

The groups for both will invariably open up at 1000 yards

 

The gun that shoots the larger group at 100 yards will still shoot the larger group at 1000 (the Mosin)

 

The B95 out ranges the mosin by being more accurate, therefore able to HIT the target accurately at longer ranges

 

 

 

 

You are coming off as a guy who failed Geometry.

 

I literally can not comprehend how you do not get this.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Franchi

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Gunsmith entails that I understand what affects a guns accuracy.

 

Ok Ill KISS this for you

 

In game B95 is chambered in the same cartridge as the mosin

 

Firing an identical cartridge one is more accurate at 100 yards (the B95)

 

The more accurate rifle will be more accurate at 1000 yards as well (the B95)

 

The groups for both will invariably open up at 1000 yards

 

The gun that shoots the larger group at 100 yards will still shoot the larger group at 1000 (the Mosin)

 

The B95 out ranges the mosin by being more accurate, therefore able to HIT the target accurately at farther ranges

 

 

 

 

You are coming off as a guy who failed Geometry.

 

I literally can not comprehend how you do not get this.

I failed geometry horribly actually......same with algebra. I can do accounting and business math perfectly though :)

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Gunsmith entails that I understand what affects a guns accuracy.

 

Ok Ill KISS this for you

 

In game B95 is chambered in the same cartridge as the mosin

 

Firing an identical cartridge one is more accurate at 100 yards (the B95)

 

The more accurate rifle will be more accurate at 1000 yards as well (the B95)

 

The groups for both will invariably open up at 1000 yards

 

The gun that shoots the larger group at 100 yards will still shoot the larger group at 1000 (the Mosin)

 

The B95 out ranges the mosin by being more accurate, therefore able to HIT the target accurately at farther ranges

 

 

 

 

You are coming off as a guy who failed Geometry.

 

I literally can not comprehend how you do not get this.

You should of just opened with this also

[lipemr 160]

obvious troll is obvious.

 

Yeah yeah, a custom made expensive hunting rifle cant beat a shitty worn out WW2 pile of crap that was thrown in the front lines cause they didnt have something else to use.

 

These peeps must have known the mosin from medal of honor, or they are that soviet fanboys that believe anything made in russia is good.

 

just lots of laugh for this mate.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

obvious troll is obvious.

Yeah yeah, a custom made expensive hunting rifle cant beat a shitty worn out WW2 pile of crap that was thrown in the front lines cause they didnt have something else to use.

These peeps must have known the mosin from medal of honor, or they are that soviet fanboys that believe anything made in russia is good.

just lots of laugh for this mate.

I am legitimately not trolling. I honestly believe a mosin is better. I'm wrong. Edited February 14, 2014 by Ineedscoffee

[gerbilschooler 229]

Based on what I read from other posts, if its a 7000$ gun in RL then it better be damn accurate.

Prices of guns is not always dictated by how functional, accurate, etc. they are. For instance, I bet you a working FP-45 "Liberator", original, would cost a small fortune...

Edited February 14, 2014 by GafMast

[gerbilschooler 229]

obvious troll is obvious.

 

Yeah yeah, a custom made expensive hunting rifle cant beat a shitty worn out WW2 pile of crap that was thrown in the front lines cause they didnt have something else to use.

 

These peeps must have known the mosin from medal of honor, or they are that soviet fanboys that believe anything made in russia is good.

 

just lots of laugh for this mate.

Well, the Mosin is half Belgian design... And, I'd say that most WW2 era bolt action rifles were pretty damn decent weapons

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

You should of just opened with this also

Honestly I just assumed that anyone who had been around firearms would make the inference based on the evidence provided.

 

The B95 is actually not necessarily the better gun, it has a crummy rate of fire and only holds two shots. It is however the more accurate gun, and that was the core of my argument.

 

 

Prices of guns is not always dictated by how functional, accurate, etc. they are. For instance, I bet you a working FP-45 "Liberator", original, would cost a small fortune...

Yes but that is a separate issue all together, with the mosin and the B95 its retail price with a few exceptions the mosin is not yet a sought after collectible item. Even when comparing retail price is no guarantor of accuracy with firearms, many cheap guns can stomp much more expensive ones.

 

 

obvious troll is obvious.

 

Yeah yeah, a custom made expensive hunting rifle cant beat a shitty worn out WW2 pile of crap that was thrown in the front lines cause they didnt have something else to use.

 

These peeps must have known the mosin from medal of honor, or they are that soviet fanboys that believe anything made in russia is good.

 

just lots of laugh for this mate.

The mosin in its day was a fine weapon, it was even used in limited numbers by the United States Army. Today it is still a good weapon. Bolt action rifles peaked in about 1898, most improvements since then have been in the manufacturing process and materials used in construction, allowing cheaper production and better tolerances in the rifles and the ammunition they fire.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Franchi

[Daemonkid 493]

 

 

I invite you to google B95, NVM I'll do it for you

 

My friend. There is an even more scathing way to do this on the internet.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Blaze+95+hunting+rifle

There you go. Use it with great a vengeance.

[Daemonkid 493]

But on topic. The B95 is very accurate. Just because it's expensive does not exactly gauge accuracy, but it does.

It's quality of workmanship can reflect its price point. The Mosin is a very old design, while accurate, the B95 is more modern and would obviously entail modern design techniques.

Stating this the Mosin is an old surplus military rifle, an accurate one at that. It's old tried and true. It's accurate enough to do the job you want it to.

The B95 is a newer rifle incorporating modern methods. It's designed to be an accurate hunting rifle. 

 

They both have different roles entirely. But the B95 is more accurate which is fine, it has it's own draw backs.

[lipemr 160]

Well, the Mosin is half Belgian design... And, I'd say that most WW2 era bolt action rifles were pretty damn decent weapons

 

Back in that day military guns werent supposed to be accurate, they were supposed to just shoot accurate enough so soldier wouldnt miss shots between the trenches. All manufacturing standarts (differences in parts sizes, etc) were way worse than the ones we have in cheap hunting rifles today.

 

There's just no way a rifle that wouldnt be accurate back in the time it was manufactured can be accurate after 80 years of use in war, training and hunting.

 

I've shot old weapons in the military (mostly FALs, m9's and bolt actions) here on my country and i can say that they get pretty damn innacurate as they age.

 

Believe me, there's NO WAY someone can hit consistently a man sized target with a mosin in ranges of more than 300 meters. NO WAY. The bore should be worn out so much that the variations on the accuracy would just fuck your zeroing capability up.

 

Without taking in account that 80% of these old rifles have their sights off, huge bunch of them cant even be readjusted due to bore warping/damage to the sights.

 

The rifle that should be in the place of the mosin in long range rifle today should be the CZ550/557. Mosins arent able to do what they do in game.

 

Remember, we're talking about soviet union surplus that was in the hands of poor civilians that used it for hunting, they wouldnt care to clean and lube the weapon every day.

 

Ammo should be in bad shape too, as it should be at least 15 years old.

Edited February 14, 2014 by lipemr

[deus_drone 98]

It is but if you fire with the both barrels function and miss without a reloader your in allot of  trouble.

I picked up my 5th snap loader this morning =D

[irishroy 1347]

I also have Blaze becouse style. Plus when I hit the coast I feel like one of those rich guys on safari in Africa.

 

^fancy leather shoes

i loove these leather-slippers :>

[Valadain 270]

Back in that day military guns werent supposed to be accurate, they were supposed to just shoot accurate enough so soldier wouldnt miss shots between the trenches. All manufacturing standarts (differences in parts sizes, etc) were way worse than the ones we have in cheap hunting rifles today.

 

There's just no way a rifle that wouldnt be accurate back in the time it was manufactured can be accurate after 80 years of use in war, training and hunting.

 

I've shot old weapons in the military (mostly FALs, m9's and bolt actions) here on my country and i can say that they get pretty damn innacurate as they age.

 

Believe me, there's NO WAY someone can hit consistently a man sized target with a mosin in ranges of more than 300 meters. NO WAY. The bore should be worn out so much that the variations on the accuracy would just fuck your zeroing capability up.

 

Without taking in account that 80% of these old rifles have their sights off, huge bunch of them cant even be readjusted due to bore warping/damage to the sights.

 

The rifle that should be in the place of the mosin in long range rifle today should be the CZ550/557. Mosins arent able to do what they do in game.

 

Remember, we're talking about soviet union surplus that was in the hands of poor civilians that used it for hunting, they wouldnt care to clean and lube the weapon every day.

 

Ammo should be in bad shape too, as it should be at least 15 years old.

 

Not that I'm disagreeing with you in general, but I fell down the hole on the Mosin argument as well because the ones I was shooting were not 80 years used. They were 80 years stored. The barrels weren't worn out. There is also plenty of new 7.62x54R ammo to be had. That said, I don't think it is the right gun to be the "sniper rifle" in this game. Particularly if we are assuming they are 80 years used or using random surplus ammo. Most people I know that get a lot out of their Mosin have put a lot into their Mosin, more than an apocalypse survivor is going to be able to do with limited resources. This includes, mounting a scope or adding a compensator. There are bipods you could easily add, but not the one in game (Atlas is for mounting on a picatinny rail).

[gibonez 3633]

I wonder now that the b95 is in game if they will remove the ability for the mosin nagant to take the long range scope.

 

B95 can easily take any hunting or tactical optics meanwhile the mosin would require heavy machining and gunsmithing to put a short eye relief scope.

[DMentMan 707]

i like that gun.

[Jack Dant 158]

It is nice hunting weapon becouse you can feel good about yourself when you kill animal with weapon with only 2 bullets.

 

But in case if those 2 bullets were not enought to kill dangerous animal or the hunter missed, there awlays were guys with machine guns or other guns with more bullets to help the hunter with B95. That's why I called the animals helpless.

Just in case this is not a troll...

 

Typically in an african dangerous game hunt (let's say buffalo, but the same applies to the others), only the client hunter and the professional hunter are armed. Auto and semi auto are illegal in most functioning african countries, and you don't want to go to the non-functioning ones.

 

The choice between bolt actions and doubles depend on the hunter's preferences. The double allows for a very quick second shot with no chance of jamming or any other gun failure, in exchange for a much slower next shots. The bolt action gives you more shots, but you have to cycle the action, possibly while looking at a charging buffalo, which takes some nerve. This is often done in dense bush at close range, so there's not room for a lot more shots.

 

Anyway, if the client misses his shots, or the animal gets too close, the professional shoots to stop the charge. If he misses, then one of them at least will end up in the hospital. Accidents like that are far more common than you would expect.

 

Now, not to make this entirely off topic, those features of the guns are somewhat represented in DayZ. The B95 gives you a quick second shot with no reloading animation. If they allow optics on it, it would be a good sniper weapon that lets you correct your first shot inmediately. In the meantime, it at least looks nice.