Define "Bandit" Please

[KerrSG1 113]

I've been watching a number of engagement videos on YouTube.  People in a group or an individual giving us a running commentary on their playtime say something along the lines of "look, there's a bandit!"  Or watch a player for a brief moment and say "Oh yeah he's a bandit!" In some cases, yes, it's apparent.  The person is seen actively attacking another unarmed or new spawn player.  In some cases, maybe someone's in a sniper's position on top of a building.  Even then it's sketchy unless you've seen them fire on people.  But really.. how are people identifying someone as a 'bandit?'  In more cases than I care to count, it often looks like they are identifying a person who is moving around, using cover, going through dense foliage trying to go from one place to another.  All the while, the person yelling 'bandit!' is doing the exact same.  So really, why aren't you the bandit when you are attacking first?  

 

What about what they are wearing?  If it's military gear, with a gas mask, etc then is that enough to identify a person as a bandit?  Well, from what I've seen the people narrating these videos are wearing the same.  They aren't wearing the red plaid pants, orange raincoat and orange hard hats that they could wear if they want to.  They are wearing the same thing to help provide camouflage and conceal their presence.  

 

Is wearing any kind of mask what identifies you as a bandit?  Even a gas mask or those paper masks?  Assuming they don't have any function currently, I imagine they will at some point.  I wore one for a while because I wasn't clear if it was going to protect my guy from something in the environment or not, then I discarded it because I was concerned people thought it was concealing identity somehow (as if that matters in a game where you can change your appearance by next spawn).  Now those creepy as fuck clown masks, yes, I can see that being a bandit thing.  I wouldn't trust anyone to get close to me wearing one, but not sure I would KOS someone wearing one.

 

Is it the guns they are carrying?  Well, why wouldn't a person want to carry a rifle with a long distance scope?  I don't see the 'bandit hunters' exclusively using melee weapons, they seem to try to find the best military gear with RDS and large magazines or a high powered scope.  

 

So really.. it seems like people are identifying people in these videos as 'bandits' just for some kind of personal justification of 'okay, now i can KOS this guy because I think he's a bandit.'

 

So what does make a bandit then if not going KOS?  How are you not the bandits?

[oregonized 673]

Bandits are the assholes who rob people and hunt them for sport.  There is nothing to identify them except their behavior.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

ban·dit

ˈbandit/

noun

 

1. 1.

   a robber or outlaw belonging to a gang and typically operating in an isolated or lawless area.

   "the bandit produced a weapon and demanded money"

   synonyms: robber, thief, outlaw, gunman, crook, mugger, gangster, raider,freebooter, hijacker, looter, marauder, bandito; More

 

In my opinion, a bandit is a thief. He is someone that holds you up and steals your goods. He doesn't necessarily kill you. I believe the terms "bandit" and "kill on sight" are getting mixed up these days.

[jaginun 87]

There is no distinguishing feature. People just call others bandits to justify killing them. I hate the term bandit and hero, me and my group are almost exclusively KoS but I've helped new spawns by giving them gear and even taking them on board, and I know good Samaritans who kill people when they actually need to get gear. Accruing gear or weapons doesn't mean a bandit, just a long surviving player, who most likely player-hunts due to sheer lack of content.

[KerrSG1 113]

Bandits are the assholes who rob people and hunt them for sport.  There is nothing to identify them except their behavior.

 

But that's my point.  People are labeling other people as 'bandits' in these videos where the person has done nothing to show them being a 'bandit'  They are simply saying they are and firing first.  

[deepfried 95]

Well, at the moment with no game mechanic cues, you can't know unless you see actual banditry taking place.

 

Personally I'm in the better safe than sorry camp.  i.e. I shoot everyone and their grandmother.

 

Fortunately for you guys my friends are softer so they often moderate my more predatory proclivities.

[mssing 34]

in my experience, a "bandit" is typically an epitome determined by another player with "higher" moral or ethical standards, "heroes" ..or so they believe... a lot of these "heroes" are simply of the same kind as there counterprt "bandits", difference seems to be they are buthurt. i usualy cuff them and execute them, just for the fun of it. i simply am not very found of these self claimed moralists.

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

Bandit is the most mis-used word in this game.

 

Big distinction- 1.) KOS and a 2.) Bandit

 

I dont believe they are one in the same. KOS player is worse because they will shoot anyone, including bambis (nothing to gain).

 

A bandit will rob you, kill you for your loot.

 

I guess I'm a bandit then because if you have something I need in the end of the world, Im going to take it from you to ensure I survive.

 

Im not a KOS'er.

 

Its ridiculous everyone in the game (even the Dayz website) promotes killing bandits, when KOS'ers are much, much worse.

[mssing 34]

Bandits are the assholes who rob people and hunt them for sport.  There is nothing to identify them except their behavior.

i'm qurious ..if you would be one of the so called "heroes" and also would be hunting a so called "bandit" and robbing him/here ..would that make you a bandit? 

[oregonized 673]

But that's my point.  People are labeling other people as 'bandits' in these videos where the person has done nothing to show them being a 'bandit'  They are simply saying they are and firing first.  

 

99% of the time I see people hunting "bandits" on Youtube or Twitch, those people are the actual bandits.  

 

Unless you see someone robbing or hunting other players for no reason other than to be a dick, they are the real bandits. 

 

You can't judge someone by the way they look, so you have to keep your distance and observe them.  It is stupid to just make an assumption without observing the subject(s) in question.

[Damnyourdeadman 1045]

Well bandits usually describe an individual that his actions have the sole purpose of robbing you from your possesions (gear),yet in this game the people that KOS fresh spawns with no aparent reason,or leave geared player corpses untouched to rot because they are alredy fully geared and just want to spent their time just shooting any poor bastard that happens to passing through,are also labeled bandits.Yet banditry in this game (looting players for gear) cannot exist.Simply because the lack of danger (zombies) makes the game extremly easy,and you can find gear in no time.Yet this come with a downside,the lack of zombies makes people bored,and are looking for some challenge,so they turn their aim against fellow survivors,not for their gear,only because they are more of a challenge.So yes,they are kind of douches because they don't really need anything...just want you dead.

Edited February 12, 2014 by Damnyourdeadman

[strongtent 74]

A mother-fucker who wants something you got. 

 

In-game actions and of course vocal response clears a lot of this up, usually you can determine if a persons behavior is odd, then its up to your natural instinct what happens next.

[oregonized 673]

i'm qurious ..if you would be one of the so called "heroes" and also would be hunting a so called "bandit" and robbing him/here ..would that make you a bandit? 

I rarely kill other players and try to remain unseen.  If you see me, it is because I have scouted the area and I have a group of snipers watching my back.

 

I wouldn't call myself a hero but if I feel you are a threat I might kill you or just blow out your knee caps and leave you unconscious while I leave the area.

[jaginun 87]

I rarely kill other players and try to remain unseen.  If you see me, it is because I have scouted the area and I have a group of snipers watching my back.

 

I wouldn't call myself a hero but if I feel you are a threat I might kill you or just blow out your knee caps and leave you unconscious while I leave the area.

 

Unconscious basically equals death for 95% of cases, If the blood loss doesn't get you, or the zombies, the logout will. Chances are, a player that attacks you is probably seeing you as a threat, and if he sees your '300 confirmed kill' sniping group, it would probably just reinforce that idea that you are out to get him. You have to see that bandits and heroes are only defined by what the player thinks himself if doing. There is very little variation altogether in the unaltered actions, just player killing player all over.

[mssing 34]

Bandit is the most mis-used word in this game.

 

Big distinction- 1.) KOS and a 2.) Bandit

 

I dont believe they are one in the same. KOS player is worse because they will shoot anyone, including bambis (nothing to gain).

 

A bandit will rob you, kill you for your loot.

 

I guess I'm a bandit then because if you have something I need in the end of the world, Im going to take it from you to ensure I survive.

 

Im not a KOS'er.

 

Its ridiculous everyone in the game (even the Dayz website) promotes killing bandits, when KOS'ers are much, much worse.

the nature of this (hopefully) future game is pure deathmatch. you can perhaps team up with other players to play against anything else that might be moving in "the world" but it will make no difference. i frag EVERYTHING i see and i always get fraged my self. it is how this developing game is in it's nature. if you aren't fraged at least once in an hour you are a simple a chicken camper or perhaps to found of "your" gear and therefor sneaking around in the outskirts of northern parts of "the world".

[KerrSG1 113]

You have to see that bandits and heroes are only defined by what the player thinks himself if doing. There is very little variation altogether in the unaltered actions, just player killing player all over.

 

Yeah, pretty much my views watching those videos.  

[KerrSG1 113]

the nature of this (hopefully) future game is pure deathmatch. you can perhaps team up with other players to play against anything else that might be moving in "the world" but it will make no difference. i frag EVERYTHING i see and i always get fraged my self. it is how this developing game is in it's nature. if you aren't fraged at least once in an hour you are a simple a chicken camper or perhaps to found of "your" gear and therefor sneaking around in the outskirts of northern parts of "the world".

 

Yeah, you're the kind of person I don't like interacting with.  That you think this game is a FPS with the only goal to kill other players.. whelp, that's pretty sad.

[jaginun 87]

the nature of this (hopefully) future game is pure deathmatch. you can perhaps team up with other players to play against anything else that might be moving in "the world" but it will make no difference. i frag EVERYTHING i see and i always get fraged my self. it is how this developing game is in it's nature. if you aren't fraged at least once in an hour you are a simple a chicken camper or perhaps to found of "your" gear and therefor sneaking around in the outskirts of northern parts of "the world".

 

The problem with KoS at the moment is simply lack of content. You can talk about the additional influences like the new fan demographic that resulted from Lowest Common Denominator youtubers playing the game or whathave you, but if players had more to potentially lose, they would think twice

[Heiduk 265]

There is no distinguishing feature. People just call others bandits to justify killing them.

Pretty much this. The common definition seems to be:

Bandit == Anyone who isn't me.

[Crooked Hauser 258]

the nature of this (hopefully) future game is pure deathmatch. you can perhaps team up with other players to play against anything else that might be moving in "the world" but it will make no difference. i frag EVERYTHING i see and i always get fraged my self. it is how this developing game is in it's nature. if you aren't fraged at least once in an hour you are a simple a chicken camper or perhaps to found of "your" gear and therefor sneaking around in the outskirts of northern parts of "the world".

Whoa. You sir. Are cool.

[deepfried 95]

If it comes to definitions then I think its a question of intent.  A bandit will kill people who aren't a threat for gain or fun, where as a "hero" will only kill if they perceive a threat.  Thats it really.  Hopefully there will be some more in-depth mechanics later on, at least for regular servers, I'd be cool with hardcore staying more "realistic" if that's the right word.

[Crooked Hauser 258]

I've been watching a number of engagement videos on YouTube. People in a group or an individual giving us a running commentary on their playtime say something along the lines of "look, there's a bandit!" Or watch a player for a brief moment and say "Oh yeah he's a bandit!" In some cases, yes, it's apparent. The person is seen actively attacking another unarmed or new spawn player. In some cases, maybe someone's in a sniper's position on top of a building. Even then it's sketchy unless you've seen them fire on people. But really.. how are people identifying someone as a 'bandit?' In more cases than I care to count, it often looks like they are identifying a person who is moving around, using cover, going through dense foliage trying to go from one place to another. All the while, the person yelling 'bandit!' is doing the exact same. So really, why aren't you the bandit when you are attacking first?

What about what they are wearing? If it's military gear, with a gas mask, etc then is that enough to identify a person as a bandit? Well, from what I've seen the people narrating these videos are wearing the same. They aren't wearing the red plaid pants, orange raincoat and orange hard hats that they could wear if they want to. They are wearing the same thing to help provide camouflage and conceal their presence.

Is wearing any kind of mask what identifies you as a bandit? Even a gas mask or those paper masks? Assuming they don't have any function currently, I imagine they will at some point. I wore one for a while because I wasn't clear if it was going to protect my guy from something in the environment or not, then I discarded it because I was concerned people thought it was concealing identity somehow (as if that matters in a game where you can change your appearance by next spawn). Now those creepy as fuck clown masks, yes, I can see that being a bandit thing. I wouldn't trust anyone to get close to me wearing one, but not sure I would KOS someone wearing one.

Is it the guns they are carrying? Well, why wouldn't a person want to carry a rifle with a long distance scope? I don't see the 'bandit hunters' exclusively using melee weapons, they seem to try to find the best military gear with RDS and large magazines or a high powered scope.

So really.. it seems like people are identifying people in these videos as 'bandits' just for some kind of personal justification of 'okay, now i can KOS this guy because I think he's a bandit.'

So what does make a bandit then if not going KOS? How are you not the bandits?

You had me at engagement videos. I stopped reading after that. I love engagement videos. But did you see Modern family the other day when the gay uncles tried to videotape that one engagement and the lady said no? That sucked.

Wait a second...

[KerrSG1 113]

Pretty much this. The common definition seems to be:

Bandit == Anyone who isn't me.

 

That's what a lot of the videos seem to come down to.

[mssing 34]

Yeah, you're the kind of person I don't like interacting with.  That you think this game is a FPS with the only goal to kill other players.. whelp, that's pretty sad.

well .explain to me and all the other players then: what exactly is your pretentious idea of this developing game, exactly? because you and the other 2 of your kind of player seem to be somewhat off ..compared to the rest of us 1387280 players...

Edited February 12, 2014 by mssing

[oregonized 673]

Unconscious basically equals death for 95% of cases, If the blood loss doesn't get you, or the zombies, the logout will. Chances are, a player that attacks you is probably seeing you as a threat, and if he sees your '300 confirmed kill' sniping group, it would probably just reinforce that idea that you are out to get him. You have to see that bandits and heroes are only defined by what the player thinks himself if doing. There is very little variation altogether in the unaltered actions, just player killing player all over.

You aren't going to see my snipers and won't even know they are there unless you engage me in combat.  I will also attempt to make contact with someone to find out their intentions.  Basically, if you get attacked by me or my team, it is because you were hostile and initiated combat.  Protecting myself does not make me a bandit.

Edited February 12, 2014 by OR3GONIZ3D