Found a pretty interesting WW2 pistol

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

 

Here it is, the FP - 45 Liberator. The gun was developed by the americans to be air dropped in large quantities over occupied countries, to provide the resistance there with some firearms. It wasnt made for combat and continued use. It was basically a gun made to get you a better gun. And heres where it comes in Dayz. As the game is being developed firearms will become more and more rare and this or something similar to it might be just what fills the gap between bows and guns. Itll be nothing more than a last resort for self defense or something thatll allow you to take on someone or hold em up and take their gun. True it hasnt been airdropped in eastern Europe and not many are left as they were either destroyed or scrapped, but then again Chernarus isnt a real place and maybe some quantity of them couldve been air dropped over Chernarus and either werent used or the people kept them after the war.

 

Also another thing about those in Dayz, might be that they wont really give you much more than 15-20 shots before they break.

 

EDIT: Please read my other comments in this thread before replying. I flesh out the idea a little more in them.

Edited February 8, 2014 by overdosed

[Hosty 647]

Don't think DayZ should have museum-grade rarity weapons.

 

More common things are welcome, I mean come on, where's the AK? That thing is probably the most common firearm in Russia.

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

Don't think DayZ should have museum-grade rarity weapons.

 

More common things are welcome, I mean come on, where's the AK? That thing is probably the most common firearm in Russia.

 

Youd be surprised how many "museum grade" weapons as you call them you can find still used daily for hunting, self defense and waging war the further you go from western countries.

[Rudette 435]

Interesting find and kind of neat, but I agree with Hosty!

I'm more excited about having civilian grade firearms, and less specialty/military items.

Edited February 8, 2014 by Rudette

[neobit 10]

:beans: for that video. Pretty amusing. 

:emptycan: for idea to have it in the game.

[Dchil 829]

These were designed to degrade. therefore 45% are rust, 50% were destroyed 1% in private hands 4% in museums going off their history. I have't found a museum in DayZ so then we are working with 1% of 100,000 that were dropped into france (out of 200,000 produced in total). My math makes that 1000 left.

 

What is the likely hood of one of the 1000 original guns that are still in private hands ever making it to an Easern European, com-bloc, post-soviet state and being left behind in a zed apocalypse?

 

 

Non existent, is an optimistic reply to that question..

 

 

 

*Please note all %es are estimates but the build numbers are real IIRC.

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

Interesting find and kind of neat, but I agree with Hosty!

I'm more excited about having civilian grade firearms, and less specialty/military items.

 

Youre not getting my point really. Theres really not much of a difference between a "military" pistol and a civilian one. Both would use the same ammo type and kill just as easily. The main BIG difference between military and civilian firearms is sustained firepower - full auto capabilities and big magazines. A hunting rifle is just as deadly as an assault rifle and believe me assault rifles are almost never shot in full auto by soldiers. The only guns that are shot in full auto are light machine guns and even they are mostly used for suppression. 

 

Actually what I was trying to say is that military guns should not be much more rare than normal civilian self defense and hunting weapons. Both types of guns should be rare enough to make bows, crossbows and other non standart weapons meaningful. And heres where something like the FP-45 comes - its a gun with almost no firepower that would be more abundant than standart firearms and is only meant as a stepping ladder towards the better stuff.

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

These were designed to degrade. therefore 45% are rust, 50% were destroyed 1% in private hands 4% in museums going off their history. I have't found a museum in DayZ so then we are working with 1% of 100,000 that were dropped into france (out of 200,000 produced in total). My math makes that 1000 left.

 

What is the likely hood of one of the 1000 original guns that are still in private hands ever making it to an Easern European, com-bloc, post-soviet state and being left behind in a zed apocalypse?

 

 

Non existent, is an optimistic reply to that question..

 

 

 

*Please note all %es are estimates but the build numbers are real IIRC.

 

Again as I said Chernarus is not a real place, Dayz is not going for full realism, but for semi - realism, so going by just real world numbers is not a sound logic. When a game goes for semi - realism items are introduced more for gameplay than for realism's sake. Dayz is aiming for a middle ground between gameplay and authenticity even, not realism. 

 

And as I said again, might not be the same exact gun, but something similar. You can even picture a scenario in which somewhere around the middle stages of the infestation where it was clear that the zombies couldnt be stopped guns like this were mass produced to provide the populace with something to defend themselves. 

 

An example I can give you for something similar is a situation in World War Z(the book, if you havent read it you should its a good read and presents a more or less realistic scenario). There in the US they started mass producing simple semi automatic rifles to arm the remaining military and volunteers against the zombies. The idea behind them was that full auto capabilities were unnecessary and wasteful and that the bigger part of their original weaponry and ammuniton was lost in the first stages of the infestation.

 

The stamped sheet metal design of this gun fits perfectly a scenario where resources and time are scarce and it was made as a last ditch effort. Hell even the idea for the rifles from WWZ is interesting.

[Rudette 435]

Perhaps a .22 hold out pistol of some kind would be more appropriate for that role? And could perhaps share an ammo type with a hunting rifle!

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

Perhaps a .22 hold out pistol of some kind would be more appropriate for that role? And could perhaps share an ammo type with a hunting rifle!

 

Ofcource, im not really saying that I want this particular gun, but something of that nature really fits both the scenario in Dayz and the gameplay needs a little bit later down the line as a middle stage between improvised weaponry(bows, throwing weapons etc) and conventional firearms.

[Rudette 435]

Ah ok!

That makes sense then!

[[email protected] 125]

Youre not getting my point really. Theres really not much of a difference between a "military" pistol and a civilian one. Both would use the same ammo type and kill just as easily. The main BIG difference between military and civilian firearms is sustained firepower - full auto capabilities and big magazines. A hunting rifle is just as deadly as an assault rifle and believe me assault rifles are almost never shot in full auto by soldiers. The only guns that are shot in full auto are light machine guns and even they are mostly used for suppression. 

 

 

There may not be a large difference between a Military grade pistol and a civilian model (Trust me there is, i'm just not going to argue about it) but between Military grade assault rifles, and civilian models of the counterparts there are HUGE differences. There is a reason you cannot purchase them, and not just because obama says so. They are extremely expensive because they use military grade parts. These bushmasters .223 that people buy (I have one love it btw) are junk compared to a Colt M16A4. In terms of reliability there is no comparing the two. Potential features on military grade equpiment include a modular and adjustable stock, ambidextrous fire selector, heavier barrel, improved trigger, free-floating rail system, and an adjustable gas block and gas regulator to give all rifles a suppression capability, and alot of these features are standard now a-days even for Law Enforcement officers. My point is there is a difference between Military Grade and Civilian weapons, and honestly i'd rather run house to house and find a .45 than use the weapon you posted above.

[cj14 189]

Don't think DayZ should have museum-grade rarity weapons.

 

More common things are welcome, I mean come on, where's the AK? That thing is probably the most common firearm in Russia.

 

at least in my country which is as rural as Chernarus, most people have museum-grade rarity weapons. Still, I didn't like the gun, I rather some hatchets and sledgehammers

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

There may not be a large difference between a Military grade pistol and a civilian model (Trust me there is, i'm just not going to argue about it) but between Military grade assault rifles, and civilian models of the counterparts there are HUGE differences. There is a reason you cannot purchase them, and not just because obama says so. They are extremely expensive because they use military grade parts. These bushmasters .223 that people buy (I have one love it btw) are junk compared to a Colt M16A4. In terms of reliability there is no comparing the two. Potential features on military grade equpiment include a modular and adjustable stock, ambidextrous fire selector, heavier barrel, improved trigger, free-floating rail system, and an adjustable gas block and gas regulator to give all rifles a suppression capability, and alot of these features are standard now a-days even for Law Enforcement officers. My point is there is a difference between Military Grade and Civilian weapons, and honestly i'd rather run house to house and find a .45 than use the weapon you posted above.

Yes but in the hands of civilians, how does it affect letality really?

 

Army has it's own specifications because guns are not personal, have to be flexible, and accurate over a long period of itme and be usable by any soldier, and reuseable.

 

In the context of dayZ not a whole lot of these qualities really matter.

[cejota14 130]

Love this idea

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

No.

 

What you said about it not neeeing to be this gun - There are no mass-Produced guns like this. They simply don't exist.

Them being made by the government - From the looks of it, shit hit the fan in around a week, and the government collapsed.

 

And then, we have to think about how good it would be. Currently a .45 takes 8 shots to kill someone. Do you think they'll just let you reload 8 times? Your MUCH better off with fists.

 

Maybe add the ability to craft something like this... they're that shitty.

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

No.

 

What you said about it not neeeing to be this gun - There are no mass-Produced guns like this. They simply don't exist.

Them being made by the government - From the looks of it, shit hit the fan in around a week, and the government collapsed.

 

And then, we have to think about how good it would be. Currently a .45 takes 8 shots to kill someone. Do you think they'll just let you reload 8 times? Your MUCH better off with fists.

 

Maybe add the ability to craft something like this... they're that shitty.

 

Ahah I really love how you just decide that the shit hit the fan in a week and thats about it. And how you give an argument that includes the guns not being produced now... Oh and that you think that if a similar gun is added its going to take 10 shots to kill someone.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Ahah I really love how you just decide that the shit hit the fan in a week and thats about it. And how you give an argument that includes the guns not being produced now... Oh and that you think that if a similar gun is added its going to take 10 shots to kill someone.

Thers no heavily-made fortifications. That indicates it happened very quickly.

The FP-45 replicas are produced and ONLY sold in the US. 

Arma guns aren't cod style. A 7.62 sniper rifle does the same damage as a 7.62 GPMG. Actaully, something this crude would probably do less "Damage" becuase of low muzzle velocity. So unless you want a .50 liberator, it would.

[overdosed (DayZ) 77]

Thers no heavily-made fortifications. That indicates it happened very quickly.

The FP-45 replicas are produced and ONLY sold in the US. 

Arma guns aren't cod style. A 7.62 sniper rifle does the same damage as a 7.62 GPMG. Actaully, something this crude would probably do less "Damage" becuase of low muzzle velocity. So unless you want a .50 liberator, it would.

 

The damn map isnt even ready yet lol Those things will be added with time. And as I SAID not the same damn gun, but something similar produced under similar circumstances as the semi automatic rifles produced in the US in World War Z.

Also I am pretty sure that the 45 acp kills in 2 shots right now, which again is still subject to change. Aand a headshot is a oneshot kill with everything unless you wear a helmet.

Edited February 8, 2014 by overdosed