My opinion about KOS and Friendly

[helcol 174]

This has been a debate since the mod, it is still going on for the SA, and I feel nobody has had this viewpoint regarding the issue on the forums:

 

We have on one extreme the people who KOS, feel it is the best part of Dayz, do it to whoever, whenever, and have no remorse for the lives they took...and we have the Friendly players who tend to group up with others, love player interaction, and typically don't kill except in self defense. (This is, by far, not the only play styles in Dayz, but they are the ones that create a ruckus on the forums most of the time).  

 

I HAVE played both play styles, personally I prefer being more the hero type because I find it more rewarding then the bandit play style (if there is a bias, keep in mind where I am coming from). However, I feel both sides are equally enjoyable and people should try one side before having an opinion on it.

 

This is how I feel about KOS: I have no problem with it being in this game, frankly I'm actually glad for it because it makes player interaction that much scarier. Yea, it is unfair to have a guy with a mosin walk up to you and shoot you without even a hello. 

 

This is the problem how I see it, Many people resort to this game style when the game has very little content, the amount of KOS in the SA has dropped considerably because they have added many other ways of killing people (force feed, disinfectant, etc.), loot becomes ruined from shooting people, and guns/ammo are much rarer than in the mod. I was an active member on the Nether forums and the biggest problem in that game is it is actually a death match game rather than survival (practically 100% KOS + SZ campers = :facepalm: ). Dayz is nowhere close to that at the moment. If KOS becomes the  majority of player's play style, then it makes one fun element of the game, player interaction, near to impossible, for those who crave it and would ruin the game. There needs to be a balance to make it so that KOS happens, yes, but not so often that this game becomes more about the killing rather than the surviving.

 

As for those who love that friendly game play, I feel the majority of people who rage on the forums do not realize that they might be dying because of what they are doing. If you yell "friendly", it does not put an invisible shield up that should protect you from said player. Also, I feel some of you run head on into a situation and do not take the time to analyse the player's behavior to see whether or not the player is friendly. Try to be a little more cautious when approaching other players. And complaining that KOS always happens is a false accusation at this very moment. I have grouped up successfully more often then I have been KOS'ed/Back stabbed on the SA. Friendly players have to understand that the thrill in player interaction comes from not knowing what will happen to the group. (ex: will bandits kill you, will a fresh spawn with an FNX in his pants pocket mow you down, who can you conditionally trust?, etc.)

 

As for the forum posters who support either one side or the other, please be respectful of each other's play style's. The beauty of Dayz is that everyone has their own goals, their own motives, and also their own play style. Saying that one side is completely right or completely wrong is just ignorant to how important one side is to the other. I feel we need to understand each other's play style rather than blatantly criticize and insult each other. don't let ethnocentrism get in the way!

 

If you have any more questions, want to add/critique my opinion, or talk about your opinion, please do so in an ethical manner...that is all I ask. :)

 

P.S- Used the search function, I did not find a post that described this view on the topic + the majority of them become arguments rather than constructive criticism...sadly

 

[ImDeafDontShootMe 8]

I love this post. I feel like it accurately describes what this game is really all about. I agree with what you said about the lack of content in this game causing people to KoS out of sheer boredom. I mean, once you get full endgame gear, there's really nothing else to do here except to interact with other players (at this very moment of course, this will change as new updates & content come along). 

 

I have nothing else to add to your post except a thank you note for putting it all up into summary. It was quite descriptive and well written in detail. 

 

Regards!

[doctorwhy 157]

Me and my buddy have taken to pants robbing. Not killing on site.  Yeah it's been done before and a lot but it's a fun challenge to see how many pants we can get before being KoS'd by some sniper in a hill unwilling to go and interact with somebody.

 

So far 5 pairs, 2 caught on vid (Still editing)

Our Characters still alive.

 

Sometimes we let them leave with gear or a handful of tuna till they can find new pants.

I also have a particularly flattering pair of violet ladies summer pants waiting for our next victim to run away with LOL

[skyline-gtr 130]

You do realise this is a sandbox game ?

[odin_lowe 3686]

KoS might become most players' style, but it'll never be my style. I enjoy my style of play and won't change it. I understand what you mean, but in reality I have to admit that the KoS "problem" will always be there. Just the fact that it ruins the items might discourage players to do it, but they mostly don't need your stuff and do it for fun because they like killing players...

[ImDeafDontShootMe 8]

Me and my buddy have taken to pants robbing. Not killing on site.  Yeah it's been done before and a lot but it's a fun challenge to see how many pants we can get before being KoS'd by some sniper in a hill unwilling to go and interact with somebody.

 

So far 5 pairs, 2 caught on vid (Still editing)

Our Characters still alive.

 

Sometimes we let them leave with gear or a handful of tuna till they can find new pants.

I also have a particularly flattering pair of violet ladies summer pants waiting for our next victim to run away with LOL

I want to see this video. :D Lol

[doctorwhy 157]

I want to see this video. :D Lol

It's coming. Even though I recorded at a horribly low quality I think the content is good enough and we can improve for future vids/episodes.

 

Edited February 7, 2014 by DoctorWhy

[helcol 174]

You do realise this is a sandbox game ?

Yes, I do, your point being? 

[skyline-gtr 130]

Yes, I do, your point being? 

well what sort of content would stop people killing ?

GTA5 is sandbox with more content then you could imagine. it is full of KoS.

[Gerandar 212]

Nothing they add will make me want to stop and talk to random people. the only reason others are even on the servers I play on is to kill or be killed by.

[solodude23 649]

well what sort of content would stop people killing ?

GTA5 is sandbox with more content then you could imagine. it is full of KoS.

The difference is GTA5 is not a survival game. There are many upcoming features that will add content to the game and consequently give players more things to do. These new "things" to do will not only give players a choice of something to do besides KoS, but also could directly influence people to not KoS. 

 

Some examples:

1. More (dangerous) zombies will make people hesitant to fire shots if it will put them in danger.

 

2. Sickness, when incorporated, will make it so players may be more interested in trading for antibiotics, water purification tablets, alcohol tincture, disinfectant, clean rags, and vitamins, all of which are now useless in the game. If you're sick and kill someone, this shit will prob be ruined and you'll die of sickness.

 

3. As a result of #2, inventory will be more difficult to manage. That's a bunch more items to carry without actually having more space to carry it. This influences sharing/trading.

 

4. Warmth. If player temp. is added I think it won't be so easy to just sit on a hill and camp without taking shelter/making a fire every now and then. Even people who still KoS will have more to deal with than just hunger.

 

5. Vehicles. From what I understand it won't even be possible to repair them by yourself.

 

Just some examples. I agree with OP wholeheartedly.  KoS will always be part of the game, as it should be, but I do think it will die down a bit when people have more to do.

Edited February 7, 2014 by solodude23

[SwarfwgaHead 45]

Nobody ever suggested there was anything they could add that would prevent KoS. In fact, I thought the OP was pretty clear about the idea that KoS is kind of a necessary evil if the game is going to be as fun and intense as people expect. Anybody who wants KoS or blind, hopeless heroics to stop is looking to end everything fun about the game. Personally I only kill when I feel threatened. Since I bought SA I've only killed one other player, and Ive had maybe 10 encounters, none of which were friendly per se, but we both just disarmed the situation, lowered out weapons and moved on. And thats half the fun of the game, spotting another player and being unsure of what to do next; shoot them, try to speak out, or just avoid them completely? I tend to avoid other players til I have at least somewhat decent kit, but once you have what you need theres nothing left to do but interact. And if your idea of interaction is filling someone with bullets then Im not going to argue! The most unique, interesting thing about this game is how free you are in your interactions with other players, and trying to shame or belittle anyone for how they play, be it KoS or Hero til the very end, its kind of going against everything that makes this game what it is.

[helcol 174]

well what sort of content would stop people killing ?

GTA5 is sandbox with more content then you could imagine. it is full of KoS.

Confession: I have never beaten a GTA game

 

I think you did not understand my post, I'm not petitioning to stop player killing, I just want to remind people that there are many different ways to play Dayz (There is no RIGHT or WRONG way to play Dayz), I just wish people could respect the other person's play style. 

 

KOS should not be the main point of the game, neither then should any other play style. HOWEVER, survival aspects have to be there, because no matter what play style you have, fear of death should make you want to survive at all cost.

[skyline-gtr 130]

solodude23, thats nice but i was simply replying to a question.

 

helcol, while that may have been your intentions, it was not clear. try KISS. :)

KoS is not the main point of the game right now for many people. Maybe for some but yeah as you said, respect other peoples play style.

 

I think your issue is that one playstyle seems to dominate others. That is to suggest that a playstyle of KoS, completely ends any other playstyle, if they fall victim of it.

[solodude23 649]

solodude23, thats nice but i was simply replying to a question.

As was I:

"well what sort of content would stop people killing?" - Skyline-GTR

 

At any rate the OP was just stating that any playstyle is a viable choice for survival.

Edited February 7, 2014 by solodude23

[skyline-gtr 130]

Oh you edited your post now my reply does not make as much sense as it did lol.

 

Also, your ideas do not stop killing.

[solodude23 649]

Oh you edited your post now my reply does not make as much sense as it did lol.

 

Also, your ideas do not stop killing.

Absolutely. Nothing should stop KoS, but future content should make people think a bit more before killing everyone they see. ;) 

 

And yeah, I'm pretty bad when it comes to editing lol.

[helcol 174]

solodude23, thats nice but i was simply replying to a question.

 

helcol, while that may have been your intentions, it was not clear. try KISS. :)

KoS is not the main point of the game right now for many people. Maybe for some but yeah as you said, respect other peoples play style.

 

I think your issue is that one playstyle seems to dominate others. That is to suggest that a playstyle of KoS, completely ends any other playstyle, if they fall victim of it.

 

I could write another post explaining why I feel KOS is detrimental when practiced on a large scale, but that is not my place to say. I'm grateful that this game is a true survival game, with all the fears of dying, rather than a war game. 

 

If there was too much KOS,game would be a deathmatch like Nether.

 

If the game was too friendly (which, in theory, is near impossible due to the fact that people will always kill other people in the survival game) some people would be so bored they would stop playing. (note- this would only happen if the ability to take [away] player vs player, therefore completely destroying the concept of a true survival game)

 

Overall, the one thing I disagree in is a deliberate sabotage of a certain play style. It is like the freedom of speech (U.S. Law), can be used to protect your rights, but can not be used to impose on other's rights .

 

by the way, solodude23, I appreciate the fact that you are backing up my stance, but let me explain myself, I do not need others speaking for me. But, I thank you anyway.  B)

 

[EDIT] added "away" sorry did not catch that.

Edited February 7, 2014 by helcol

[DeatHTaX 1217]

KoS is just going to be part of the game. Doesn't matter whether or not someone want's player interaction. If you're someone who wants player interaction, you're taking that risk. The KoSer takes no risks in that regard, and is therefor the superior survivalist in relation to that. 

 

And this is a survival game, so I don't blame them. I mean if someone wants to come up to me fully geared and say friendly, and they have stuff I want, what is so illogical about shooting them in the face to take their gear? That's player interaction, albeit a very rudimentary kind. 

 

Both are necessary in the game, but people who claim "this game will turn into a deathmatch ra ra ra ra ra ra" underestimate the other side of the argument. There will always be an overwhelming majority of KoSing, and an underwhelming majority of complex player interaction, such as dialogue, trading, randies grouping up, etc.

 

So I don't think the people who support unique player interaction realize that without the exorbitant amount of KoSing and SoSing there is in this game, there player interactions would be that much more mundane and boring without it, however, that sword cuts both ways for KoSing as well.

 

TL;DR: The high amount of KoSing makes unique player interaction that much more exciting and special when it does happen, like finding a press vest. But it also goes both ways, as Abundant player interaction with little to no KoSing or danger would just be boring.

Edited February 7, 2014 by DeatHTaX

[skyline-gtr 130]

Right now DayZ leaves human nature to rule all.

 

I think that anything that is implemented to alter this state could be detrimental.

[solodude23 649]

Don't get me wrong, helcol, I'm not doing this for you or trying to "speak for you".  :thumbsup:

 

I just agree with your point and I've already typed up similar posts in other threads, so I was sort of happy to reply to the thread and reinforce your thoughts. :)

[Scofflaw 73]

Dear god, what's wrong with people?   If everyone was a "hero", what would we do in the game?  1 shot the 3 zombies in each town, then what?  The only actual exciting thing in this game is shooting at each other.

 

Killing fresh spawns is pretty lame since you have nothing to gain by it, but if someone is looking for ammo at an airfield, chances are he wants ammo to shoot at people.  Do the math from there.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Scofflaw

[solodude23 649]

Dear god, what's wrong with people?   If everyone was a "hero", what would we do in the game?  1 shot the 3 zombies in each town, then what?  The only actual exciting thing in this game is shooting at each other.

 

Killing fresh spawns is pretty lame since you have nothing to gain by it, but if someone is looking for ammo at an airfield, chances are he wants ammo to shoot at people.  Do the math from there.

No one said everyone should be a hero. No one said KoS should end, either.

Edited February 7, 2014 by solodude23

[Scofflaw 73]

No one said everyone should be a hero. No one said KoS should end, either.

 

soooo... what is being said then?

[DeatHTaX 1217]

soooo... what is being said then?

 

try reading through the posts genius