Mosin Recoil Balancing

[-Gews- 7443]

I hope once they add more snipers and tweak the attachments people won't be sniping extreme ranges with Mosins anymore... this is, and should be, a low-end gun. It's not something that should be making 1200 meter shots on people, that's insane precision and a sign certain things need to be altered. That's world-record type sniping.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Gews

[gibonez 3633]

Well Mosins have insane recoil in real life too.

 

What makes them really painful also is the metal recoil pad recoil is fine.

 

Recoil for the other weapons however especially the m4 is super low.

[gibonez 3633]

I hope once they add more snipers and tweak the attachments people won't be sniping extreme ranges with Mosins anymore... this is, and should be, a low-end gun. It's not something that should be making 1200 meter shots on people, that's insane precision and a sign certain things need to be altered. That's world-record type sniping.

 

Let us not forget 1200m shots with a duplex scope :/

[Deity 54]

I hope once they add more snipers and tweak the attachments people won't be sniping extreme ranges with Mosins anymore... this is, and should be, a low-end gun. It's not something that should be making 1200 meter shots on people, that's insane precision and a sign certain things need to be altered. That's world-record type sniping.

If people are shooting at 1,200 or so with the Mosin, they are basically breaking the first long ranged confirmed kill/hit in 2005 with an m24 shy of fucking 50m. Why would we need any other sniper rifle? 

[Demoth 366]

You know what I mean, lets not mince words (game). You lot find the tiniest error and exploit it like its the blunder of the year.

Demoth is wrong and has no idea what he's talking about which is why I didn't give a thought to reply because its rubbish. He thinks I'm getting kills at 1200M when I said I got a "hit". So I don't respond. If you can't follow the conversation, I'm not responding.

Its not easy at all the way it was before. 600 Meters + with a 3-9/9-3 angle is the hardest shot you can make. With sprinting side to side coming from a 3-9/9-3 angle is a hard shot with the old recoil. Its a hard shot. Whoever says otherwise isn't being honest.

I've had dozens and dozens of shots being taken at me from Mosins while sprinting side-to-side they never came close which is proof that the old recoil was still a super hard shot at any distance to make.

Its not one sided and many slip through our grasp. About 60% get by us. We're not bad shots either. Its all we did in the mod and have at shot at least 70k rounds with various sniper systems.

Wow, that was an incredibly hostile response for no reason. I wasn't blasting you then, just putting across my 2 cents and when someone agrees with me you turn and become pissy? Alright, you're right, I shouldn't have responded to you because trying to have discussions with 12 year olds generally goes no where.

Though now that others are responding, I don't mind discussing it with them. For the record, I didn't say you were killing people at 1200 all day or claiming you were a super sniper, so not sure what your problem was with my response.

[ProGamerGov 74]

The mosin should be as realistic as possible. Not balanced like kiddie games or e-sport games.

Edited February 8, 2014 by ProGamerGov

[weedmasta 784]

If Dean makes sniping as hard as it is in real life, everyone will be mad because they can't snipe lol

 

 

 

That is a good thing. Sniping shouldn't be easy.

[xRann 126]

I'd think you'd be hard pressed to bang out 6-700m shots accuratly with one.

[Judopunch 523]

The mosin should be as realistic as possible. Not balanced like kiddie games or e-sport games.

Than no one in the game should be able to hit anything past about 200m. Making it realistic would mean you need to make it so that these 'survivers' who washed up on a beach dont have sniper training. Even 100M with any consistency would be pretty good for someone untrained.

 

Point is its a game. And there needs to be reasonable amounts of compromise because in real life you dont use a mouse to fire a 7.62.

[xRann 126]

Than no one in the game should be able to hit anything past about 200m. Making it realistic would mean you need to make it so that these 'survivers' who washed up on a beach dont have sniper training. Even 100M with any consistency would be pretty good for someone untrained.

 

Point is its a game. And there needs to be reasonable amounts of compromise because in real life you dont use a mouse to fire a 7.62.

You've got to be high. I've no training and can use my r700 quite effectivly. All the training I have had was well after that and mostly on M16/4's and M9's.

[hellcat420 212]

Not sure if I'm in the minority or not, but the new recoil on the Mosin is practically unbearable.

 

I can barely see where my shots are landing. Many times I can't.

 

My average kill range is 600M, best kill is 800M, best hit is 1200M.

 

Am I alone here or does the board agree?

they kick quite a bit in real life, so im glad they put it like that in the game.

[hellcat420 212]

Than no one in the game should be able to hit anything past about 200m. Making it realistic would mean you need to make it so that these 'survivers' who washed up on a beach dont have sniper training. Even 100M with any consistency would be pretty good for someone untrained.

 

Point is its a game. And there needs to be reasonable amounts of compromise because in real life you dont use a mouse to fire a 7.62.

this is completely incorrect. you need 0 training, all that is required is practice.

[Judopunch 523]

this is completely incorrect. you need 0 training, all that is required is practice.

Provided you have a couple hundred rounds you can probably get 200m. After that wind, environment become problems. 

 

Going prone, moving with a heavy rifle, zeroing windage, compensating for the environment, time to target, are all beyond what you could learn in a couple hundred rounds. 

 

And yet again, in real life you dont aim guns with a mouse. Learning to correctly shoulder and squeeze the trigger properly are non intuitive. 

 

Making the guns less accurate is a game balance decision. 

 

If you want a simulator for sniping go try Arma III it looks fun. The game DayZ, is a survival horror sandbox with emphasis on player interaction, not how well you can head shot people from 600M

[ProGamerGov 74]

Provided you have a couple hundred rounds you can probably get 200m. After that wind, environment become problems. 

 

Going prone, moving with a heavy rifle, zeroing windage, compensating for the environment, time to target, are all beyond what you could learn in a couple hundred rounds. 

 

And yet again, in real life you dont aim guns with a mouse. Learning to correctly shoulder and squeeze the trigger properly are non intuitive. 

 

Making the guns less accurate is a game balance decision. 

 

If you want a simulator for sniping go try Arma III it looks fun. The game DayZ, is a survival horror sandbox with emphasis on player interaction, not how well you can head shot people from 600M

Dayz has the simulator label. Arma 3 is now a "military sandbox" ...

[mefistoz 7]

I like old mozin..now it is a joke...i can run all over nobody will hit me...yesterday 3 guys shoot me spend 40 rounds on me whole 10 min i was running like charm in middle of open field ...mozin is not a threat anymore for moving target 400 + meter...this is not dayz what i was used too..now when i approaching to target area i do now give fuu for snipers anymore ...most likely i will find them and kill them before they hit me,yesterday i died with 5 long range scopes in my backpak...wasted them all...simply cuz Mozin is joke now..this is a game ..not real life,game play must be good especially his PvP...part...if you want to play PVE in some survival game ..with elements of PvP..go play neithan or some other game...i want to think 3 times before i run to open space...now i do not even care o check surraundings..i just run on open...no danger anymore...this game do not have sniper for me anymore ..i use mozin for 300 meter distance other then that i do not even shoot no pint of discovering location...

Edited February 19, 2014 by MefistoZ

[Chawktah 43]

I don't think the recoil is as much a factor as the cycling of the bolt. You should be able to delay a cycle by holding the mouse button down. Also, i feel like the sounds don't always work properly, sometimes they dont work at all.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

I don't think the recoil is as much a factor as the cycling of the bolt. You should be able to delay a cycle by holding the mouse button down. Also, i feel like the sounds don't always work properly, sometimes they dont work at all.

 

Hm...that's not a terrible idea.

 

 

/beans

[Wheunis 228]

I don't think the recoil is as much a factor as the cycling of the bolt. You should be able to delay a cycle by holding the mouse button down. Also, i feel like the sounds don't always work properly, sometimes they dont work at all.

 

For now, delaying the bolt is easy.

 

Simply chamber a single bullet at a time while you're "practicing" or "honing" your aim.

You're welcome.

 

EDIT: Do note however, that the above will only delay the bolt. You will still have to deal with the recoil; BUT IT CAN BE DONE, you just need REALLY good eyes.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Wheunis