Children

[teufel937 49]

If anyone would do it, Rocket is the type of person to do it and that's why we love him.

 

People have already 'done it'

[Geckofrog7 1168]

I think one problem here is that players know there's 20-something year old person behind the keyboard playing as that child.

 

Besides, if people think twice before shooting children, they should think twice before shooting an adult as well.

Edited February 3, 2014 by Geckofrog7

[AsHawkins 96]

I don't want to be ill-constructive here... But this has been discussed before, and it would be best to move onto other subjects and suggestions - and close this thread.

[skyline-gtr 130]

That doesn't make any sense. What is the basis for the lawsuit? You can't just sue someone for doing something that makes you uncomfortable dude. That's not how it works. A lawsuit must have grounds in order to be heard by a court of law. A law must be broken or someone must suffer damages either physically or financially. "That guy did something icky!" is not going to make it to court.

 

I think you are wrong in this analysis.

[teufel937 49]

I don't want to be ill-constructive here... But this has been discussed before, and it would be best to move onto other subjects and suggestions - and close this thread.

 

I don't see an issue of people discussing the topic, especially since it has been done in other games, I am neither for or against it.  But there is nothing wrong with people discussing something on a message board... since that is what they are for, and no one is doing anything to harm anyone here, if a mod or admin chooses to close this thread then so be it, until then if you do not like the topic being discussed then... don't click the link.

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

I would only take children in the game if they had added weapons and map depth to alpha.  I.e. tunnel and vent systems only a child could crawl through as a tunnel rat and when they arrived to your location they could throw out marbles causing you to slip whilst beating you to death with a wiffle bat.  Further more children could construct home alone style booby traps in enterable building as if all adult characters are burglars.  No children zombies, and if a child dies in game no death is shown it simply turns the camera angle like a spielberg movie and you pan back to a rose on the ground in place of said child.  This should keep it PG and open to all countries.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

I think you are wrong in this analysis.

 

Well, I'm not. This is how lawsuits work. You can read up on them if you feel the need to brush up. You cannot just bring a lawsuit because something makes you angry.

 

You must incur a loss or suffer damages, physically or financially, in order to have legal standing to be a plaintiff in a lawsuit. You could certainly "sue" by filing such a suit, but it would be immediately dismissed if you could not show sufficient evidence of what damages you suffered (and it's not enough to say you were "made angry" or something of the sort).

 

There is no law against depicting violence against children in fiction. There are plenty of authors of books that would be sued into oblivion if such a thing were illegal. In The Road by Cormac McCarthy, a family is depicted cooking and eating a baby. I'm pretty sure if you could be sued for such a thing, he would have been.

Edited February 3, 2014 by ZedsDeadBaby

[skyline-gtr 130]

So mental damages are not grounds for a lawsuit ?

[glowfow@hotmail.com 55]

I would only take children in the game if they had added weapons and map depth to alpha.  I.e. tunnel and vent systems only a child could crawl through as a tunnel rat and when they arrived to your location they could throw out marbles causing you to slip whilst beating you to death with a wiffle bat.  Further more children could construct home alone style booby traps in enterable building as if all adult characters are burglars.  No children zombies, and if a child dies in game no death is shown it simply turns the camera angle like a spielberg movie and you pan back to a rose on the ground in place of said child.  This should keep it PG and open to all countries.

 

I agree with you on all points except the panning away, that would take away the conscequence of the 'artificial' moral decision; something terrible to watch. But I definately agree that they should add depth to the game and not just be there for the sake of being there (or to spur controversy).

[glowfow@hotmail.com 55]

There is no law against depicting violence against children in fiction. There are plenty of authors of books that would be sued into oblivion if such a thing were illegal. In The Road by Cormac McCarthy, a family is depicted cooking and eating a baby. I'm pretty sure if you could be sued for such a thing, he would have been.

 

There is something to say for the fact that it's not being graphically shown (even though your own interpretation might be much more horrid than anyone else could depict in pixels or film) and that you as a reader are not actively performing the said acts, you're merely witnessing them. Also books are a much more accepted medium than videogames.

 

Edit: whoops should've added that to my last post :s

Edited February 4, 2014 by JoostVoordeel

[cj14 189]

No More Room in Hell added little kids since the first day and we all love to kill that blonde bitch

[blackberrygoo 1416]

"And take his schoolboy pants to make bandages " lol i love this line more than anything . It's kind of intriguing though , maybe not such a young kid , but like a 17 y/o looking kid added to the character roster just to add variety . But then again it's not that big of a deal and I'd rather have variety elsewhere like the scenery of chernarus ;)

[Capo 323]

we already have enough kids in this game thanks. 

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

I agree with you on all points except the panning away, that would take away the conscequence of the 'artificial' moral decision; something terrible to watch. But I definately agree that they should add depth to the game and not just be there for the sake of being there (or to spur controversy).

 

 

There are two major factors-

 

1. A child skeleton is not in place to create them ingame.

 

2. Playerbase loss due to banning the game in certain countries.

[glowfow@hotmail.com 55]

There are two major factors-

 

1. A child skeleton is not in place to create them ingame.

 

2. Playerbase loss due to banning the game in certain countries.

 

I understand it's a high cost - low gain situation as I pointed out in my OP, therefore making no illusions it will ever make it into the game. I was more interested in emotional response and how a run-of-the-mill KOS'ers view on it is, will he even be remotely put off by murdering a child in a videogame? Instead it sidetracked a bit into a legal debate, which I don't mind that much but not what I had in mind when I posted this.

 

 

"And take his schoolboy pants to make bandages " lol i love this line more than anything . It's kind of intriguing though , maybe not such a young kid , but like a 17 y/o looking kid added to the character roster just to add variety . But then again it's not that big of a deal and I'd rather have variety elsewhere like the scenery of chernarus ;)

 

You're right teenagers might be a better first step going down this road and I completely agree on the last line; their resources are better spent elsewhere atm.

Edited February 4, 2014 by JoostVoordeel

[Wolfarus 7]

As others have said, w/ the current ability to degrade/harass/kill other players, adding children as a playable avatar is just asking for trouble.

 

Now i wouldnt mind seeing child ZOMBIES put into the game(its supposed to be a real world zombocalypse simulator, and spoiler alert..children are a part of our world) but i doubt we'll even get that.

 

[Hexxalot 15]

It seems everyone that has read this is in support of the idea, just not in support of the reactions from non-players the game will receive.

[cj14 189]

As others have said, w/ the current ability to degrade/harass/kill other players, adding children as a playable avatar is just asking for trouble.

 

Now i wouldnt mind seeing child ZOMBIES put into the game(its supposed to be a real world zombocalypse simulator, and spoiler alert..children are a part of our world) but i doubt we'll even get that.

it's not a simulator lol...is a survival horror (or is supposed to) and having zombie kids would be awesome...not a playable avatar

[Wolfarus 7]

We could call em' anklebiters B)

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

There is something to say for the fact that it's not being graphically shown

 

No there's not. It makes no difference. You can "graphically show" things like this in comic books all you want. People do it all the time. There are no laws against it. This is basic First Amendment territory.

 

 

Also books are a much more accepted medium than videogames.

 

What difference do you imagine that makes? Do you think you can sue someone just because their medium is "less accepted." That's not how the law works. It is not against the law to depict these things. Comic books, video games, graphic novels, actual novels, short stories, blog posts, internet art. You can't just sue someone because they do "something icky." That's not how lawsuits work. It's not a debate. It's just fact.

[skyline-gtr 130]

It seems everyone that has read this is in support of the idea, just not in support of the reactions from non-players the game will receive.

 

nope.

 

 

 

ZedsDeadBaby: If you are going to continue talking about law, you could at least reply to my post where I questioned your knowledge of the subject. Let me remind you. When talking about reasons for a court case, you mentioned a few things and I replied questioning if you had covered the mental aspect of it.

Edited February 4, 2014 by Skyline-GTR

[DayzForumer 284]

I would be in full support of this if people didn't get so butthurt by things like this. However, i'm not in support of this due to the fact that I don't want to see this game get banned everywhere.

 

Pros: That would make a hell of a news article-It's more realistic-Would definitely make a good 'family' gaming experience

 

Cons: Lawsuits-The game would become one of the most controversial & infamous games in history-Every news station in the world would be bashing the game- Children would still get KOS'd-They would have to be extremely underpowered to make up for the smaller hitboxes

 

In conclusion: The developers are smart enough to know that enhancing gameplay to this level isn't worth the lawsuits ahead.

The Last of Us you can play as a child. She gets stabbed, shot, raped(?) and other brutal things, none of those has brung lawsuits.

[skyline-gtr 130]

The Last of Us you can play as a child. She gets stabbed, shot, raped(?) and other brutal things, none of those has brung lawsuits.

 

I mentioned earlier that it may be wise to distinguish between a multiplayer and single player when considered this topic.

[liquidcactus 719]

Uhhh, you would be seriously pushing it being able to play as children.. hahaa.. but seriously WTF... 

 

IF ANYTHING, children zombies.. that is all... children zombies only.. because there not "human" or actually "modified" humans if you will, I don't think there would be anywhere near as much backlash(if at all) as oppose to normal human children being playable, being able to be murdered and weird fetish being portrayed by odd ball players.. and jesus farkn christ, I have met some freaks in this game and it is no place for human children to be apart of it at all !

 

Having said that I'm not a reserved / conservative in any sense. I love scary, gory, disgusting stories and tales revolving around death and mayhem. Just being realistic(what i consider) about the children idea for a game of this nature.

[teufel937 49]

For mental damages there can be a waiver, and an NC-17? 18+? Mature Rating? game... if a person under the age of the set requirement buys it or a parent purchases for a child and they clicked the ToA stating that they were of age and were not going to hold the Devs responsible for anything...

 

Thus being said..

 

Crisis averted.

Edited February 5, 2014 by teufel937