I think every bad action except hacking is justified in this game

[komadose 190]

Sorry but what the fuck is "bunny hopping"? I have heard of server hopping before, but no idea what this is. Sounds like some 10 year old care bear rendition of something.

it's a classic "strategy" from Quake era. you repeatedly hit space to jump so your character is harder to hit, while being able to aim and shoot at the same time. haven't seen it since the 90's, and definetly not in DayZ. in most modern shooters you simply can't do it anymore.

 

i guess someone mixed it with server hopping.

Edited January 28, 2014 by komadose

[BL1P 252]

it's a classic "strategy" from Quake era. you repeatedly hit space to jump so your character is harder to hit. haven't seen it since the 90's, and definetly not in DayZ. in most modern shooters you simply can't do it anymore.

 

i guess someone mixed it with server hopping.

Quake that's strafe jumping Counter Strike introduced bunny hopping.

Or so I remember it anyway :)

 

Ahh Q2 CTF how I miss you :)

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This includes,

 

[a]killing new spawn - [i was held up a dude of 5 guys who handcuffed and killed me execution style].

KoS - target pratice

[c]Bunny hopping - gear up fast easy mode

[d]glitching

[e]combat logging - funny moments

 

Only glitching for me. Firestation ladder glitch. Night time glitch.

Edited January 28, 2014 by NoCheats

[rickenbacker 190]

This includes,

 

[a]killing new spawn - [i was held up a dude of 5 guys who handcuffed and killed me execution style].

KoS - target pratice

[c]Bunny hopping - gear up fast easy mode

[d]glitching

[e]combat logging - funny moments

 

etc etc

 

To me, alphas been a learning experience. Let's face it you have all done one or two of the above. It's a game after all and it's all about entertainment. Agree?

 

I agree about KoS and killing new spawns (or whoever you want), as there is nothing in the game to prevent you from doing so. Glitching, server hopping and combat logging, though, are all exploits and/or cheats, since they use elements outside the game. The developers have also stated that neither of those is intended, and that they will be stopping players from using them.

 

So, in other words, you're 2/5 right. Do whatever you want within the context of the game, but don't expect to keep your DayZ account if you use glitches, exploits or cheats. Only a complete idiot would expect to get away with that kind of thing. 

[rickenbacker 190]

As frustrating as it is (I hate combat loggers and ghosters), I have to agree with the op. Without using this party tools, exploit this alpha, exploit the Hell out of it to ensure its such a well known issue that the devs never forget and are sure to fix it. This is, after all, a test bed. Find more exploits and brag about then. Report them, use them do what ever it takes to make sure they get taken care of as a top priority. The name of the game is survival by any means and these folks are doing just that. Now rig it so they can't. Period.

 

So by being the 300.000th person to combat log, you think you increase the chances of the devs fixing the problem? Great job there, Sherlock Holmes!

[komadose 190]

Quake that's strafe jumping Counter Strike introduced bunny hopping.

Or so I remember it anyway :)

 

Ahh Q2 CTF how I miss you :)

could be. but yeah, Q2 CTF was so sweet back then...

 

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Oh in CS I loved soundless bunny hopping rush. :P

[Al Bobo 53]

KoS once. Server hopped once. I used firestation ladder glitch once to get from inside the tower to outside, when I wasn't sure if there was someone downstairs. I won't miss exploits, when devs figure out the way to prevent those. Oh, I almost forgot! I used 3rd person view once. Zing! (burn, fire, burn)

[Sinphaltimus 262]

So by being the 300.000th person to combat log, you think you increase the chances of the devs fixing the problem? Great job there, Sherlock Holmes!

I don't combat log.

[deepfried 95]

"Pathetic level of exploit abuse"

 

That sounds like judging actually.

 

It is, but its fair.

 

On the plus side all of these exploits (combat logging, server hopping etc) will be addressed at somepoint (i.e. prevented by new mechanics), so it doesn't matter so much.  KoS and killing new spawns I have no problem with, I think thats personal choice.

Edited January 28, 2014 by Continuity

[Martmital 436]

Spray paint glitch ftw... man needs his bullets!

[TyrusXL 1]

Pretty sure server hopping is promoted until they fix loot not respawning. 

[Etherimp 1323]

Pretty sure server hopping is promoted until they fix loot not respawning. 

 

 

Loot not respawning is working as intended. It's not a "glitch". It's the current mechanic. Pretty sure whatever way you attempt to rationalize it, server hopping is still toxic to the game.

[Judopunch 523]

Loot not respawning is working as intended. It's not a "glitch". It's the current mechanic. Pretty sure whatever way you attempt to rationalize it, server hopping is still toxic to the game.

"working as intended" is relative. Loot will spawn on its own without a restart when they get some optimizations out of the way.

[Etherimp 1323]

"working as intended" is relative. Loot will spawn on its own without a restart when they get some optimizations out of the way.

 

While that's true, the current state of the game is working as intended. Loot is currently balanced based on the current system, so server hopping is just a lazy mans exploit to getting loot faster while simultaneously undermining the efforts of those who stay on the same server and run all the way across the map just to check a barracks.

 

 ALL buildings which do spawn loot (and aren't glitched), spawn loot 100% of the time. If the Mod is any indication as to how they intend on handling loot in the future, then that probably won't be the case once loot respawns. While I am not inside the dev's heads, I am assuming they have cranked up the amount of loot placeholders and spawn percentages in order to compensate for the fact that it doesn't respawn. 

[crazyandlazy 376]

In short, you believe it is "fair and morally good" to server hop and combat log.

 

 

 

No I believe it is deplorable but I don't feel so distraught after being killed by them cause I know how to avoid these people. I have been saying this repeately now.

 

 

 The fact that you posed a question to your audience after you stated your assertion does not erase the original statement, which was, and I quote:

 

"There are fake heros and fake bandits. True heros are caustious, cunning, and smart. I mean how else are you going to aid people? Some are not to be trusted. Real heros are silent and respectful not omg you combat logged you are such a noob."

 

Sounds a lot like an assertion to me. "There are fake heros [sic] and fake bandits. True heros [sic] are caustious [sic], cunning, and smart." ... etc.

 

Those are all statements of your opinion/thoughts on the matter. You are asserting that there is a specific definition of a hero, and of a bandit. Yeah, you asked others what they thought, but only after you had asserted your opinion.

 

 

 

I am not asserting or shoving anything down anyones throat. Just stating my opinion and wanting to have a discussion on my point of view. Yes I asked what others though first. A chill person would just say your thoughts are wrong because ___ and then we would have a discussion going. I mean how am I suppose to start a discussion? By asking What do you guys think first? Discussions start with statements. You have to understand that and not see me as someone promoting bad actions, which you currently perceive me as.

 

 

 

 

 

In response to your assumption that I have "issues".. Uhm, you stated that combat logging and server hopping is "justified", and then you proceed to back-peddle and say

 

"I agreed with you in that I hate the same guys as much as you do but I don't necessarily be all bitter about it so as to have them ruin my game." So.. Are their actions justified or are they deplorable? Are their actions right or wrong? Are they morally sound or objectionable? You're doing a very precarious balancing act here, "buddy".

 

My true thougts? Let me repeat. Their actions are justified cause the game is not fixed yet but will be in the near future. Their actions are deplorable but I don't lose sleep over it. Plus I think some bad actions are pretty funny like combat logging. I think it's not fair to look down upon them. They are just enjoying the game.

 

 

 

 

Scenario 1: Nobody ever combat logs and accepts their fate when they die.. The happily press the "respawn" button and start a new character and go on the quest for more precious gear.... In this scenario, the game is played how it is meant to be played. People die, people kill others, people respawn, and while it's unfortunate that someone has to lose their gear, it is PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE GAME, and is, in fact, the way the game is meant to be played.

 

Scenario 2: Everyone combat logs. Nobody ever kills anyone else because every time there is a shot fired or someone hears footsteps or someone attempts to interact with another person through voice, the other person just instantly combat logs, and loses nothing... At this point, there is literally no reason to play the game. No player interaction happens. No tension. No YouTube videos get made because it's all just constant combat loggers. Handcuffs become useless. Weapons become useless.. PvP grinds to an absolute halt, and you have servers full of players with the best gear in the game who hop in for 1-20 minutes, then randomly disappear and join another server.. Wow, imagine how boring that world would be.

 

 

 

 You are right but you are thinking in black and white. The people who cheat aren't the majority. They will always be the minority causing problems. No need to look down upon them. Just report and move on.

 

 

Currently, combat logging, exploiting, hacking, and server hopping are unfortunate realities, but that does not make them "justified", which is what your original post called them. I'm sorry if this is not what you really think, because I'm hoping it's not.. But you have to learn at some point that language includes words, and words HAVE MEANINGS, and those meanings are agreed upon through consensus. The consensus of the word "justified" is pretty clear, and ultimately your assertion that those deeds are "justified" is complete and absolute HORSE SHIT. If you just used the wrong word, when you used "justified", maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and start a new thread where you say what you mean, instead of saying some shit you just thought sounded good at the time but really don't stand behind, because with as much back-peddling as you've done in this thread I'm sure even you are having a hard time thinking you believe what you say you believe.

 

Oh, and for the record.. I have never combat logged, I don't get upset when I lose my character, and I don't want everyone to be "nice".. I'm not entitled in the least, and for you to even suggest that I am is absurd. There's nothing I have said (nor done) which could even remotely be construed as "entitled".. Maybe that's another word you should look up, since you're working on your reading comprehension.

 

Good day to you, kiddo.

 

*dust hands*

 

Please stop making this thead about me or you for that matter. I want to have a discussion. Have you read the topic title? You are suppose to argue or discuss my statement. Not question it and nit pick like I am the bad guy. Jesus xD

Edited January 28, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[crazyandlazy 376]

I don't think I am going to get through to any hardcore cheater.. But then, I don't think the OP is a "hardcore cheater".. I think he's ignorant of what he's saying and hasn't fully thought through the consequences of the things he is condoning.

Here's a fact: Game designers must dedicate resources (read: money) to combat and prevent cheats/exploits/hacks. The cost of that is passed on to the customer. Without cheaters/hackers/exploits, the development time is reduced and the cost of any given project is reduced considerably. Those savings are passed on to the customer.

Want a fast development time?

Want cool content?

Want a better performing game?

Then you shouldn't condone cheating.

I understand the argument that games need to be "broken" during Alpha so that those weaknesses/exploits can be sorted out during the development process.. but there's a large difference between bugs (such as painting your attachment = pristine), exploits (seeing through walls), which SHOULD have resources dedicated to fixing them, and the "hacks" which are available from hacker websites.

There's an entire industry dependent upon keeping kids cheating in multiplayer games so that they can continue to profit. That's not really what this thread is about, so I won't focus on it.. And I know we don't live in an ideal world, so there will always be dishonest players and poor sports out there, so the development time required to sort out combat loggers will be required one way or another..

But wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a perfect world where that wasn't necessary because everyone was just honest enough to play the game the way it was intended? Yeah. It would be.. Unfortunately we have morally bankrupt morons who exploit everything they can to get an advantage in a FAKE WORLD.

What is with this morally bankrupt morons and integrity this, integrity that stuff? The only reason you are so hell bent on morals is becauae it isn't GTA 5 online with easy respawn. You can't have good without evil. Agree to that?