Rocket answers to everyone who complains about 3D view

[Zombie Jesus 723]

...as players. But how you play reflects on how you take on things in life as well I believe.

Well, most of my judgement derives from the way the 3PP camp behaves in discussions here.

I don't think im elite. You guys just make me stand above by presenting yourself so low.

How about you give me something to see you as level peer?

 

Lol with that I am going to call huge troll or pretentious idiot. 

 

Yes the perspective you use in a video game is a great indicator of how you live your day to day life. Also do not get on that high horse with people like yourself (who spent the last thread being insanely vulgar and combative) and gibonez trolling every topic on this subject with insanity. You even compared the issue to Hitler and slavery. You want to climb up on that high horse and pretend you personally are any better than any troll on this topic be my guest but you are just as bad as any poster I have seen.

 

It is a game. Let me repeat that, it is a game. Repeat that for me a couple of times and come back and say it is an indicator of real life or on par with the evils of man.

[tommes 331]

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That it isnt exploited half as much as the 1st crew claims

That you feel safer on a 1st person server ( so calling it hardcore dosent fly for me)

 

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Toomes....

I get your arguments....i just think you can only see the game as one thing....competitive online fps. Third adds so much to this game from a non combat perspective. Not everyone just wants a gun and a balanced shooting game....we have litterally thousands of those already. Why not let this one have RPG elements, as its closer to that than an FPS.

It is exploited by most if they are aware of it, if they want it or not. You have the chance to see something in 3rd while not beeing able to in 1st at the push of a button who could resist? The mere possibility of that has consequences for the whole style of how you move through an area. There can always be some lame rooftop camper use his magic scope. That breaks common sense in the whole way you go through somewhere. Common sense tactics like checking rooftops and other sniperspots are pointless. It breaks the game for me because I want plausibility. Not some artificial game behaviour due to ridiculous rules and magic spells like the all seeing eye.

 

Having common sense as your buddy you feel saver. That's right. Things are not actually easier. You just feel more at home because you can use what you already know of the world...what is actually a big thing for Rocket. Beeing able to transfer skills into the game or even out of it is a great thing. It's sort or roleplaying too.

 

And if you want it or not, DayZ has a definitely strong combat part which you can't just ignore. Just like with the mere existence of 3PP the mere existence of firearms and PvP combat influence the game to it's core. You can't ignore other guys shooting at you because you're dead then and that puts a sudden end to your roleplay.

 

Then roleplaying is not defined by perspective! Just because most RPG games today use 3PP doesn't make 1PP any less roleplayee.

 

tl;dr

You don't NEED 3PP. 3PP does bad things to gameplay.

[tommes 331]

AND TOOMES QUITE REDICULOUS CLAIM THAT PEOPLE WHO ENJOY 3RD HAVE LOWER STANDARDS.

I'd appreciate if you'd write my nick correctly. I have standards. And all caps doesn't improve your bad argueing. Better reading skills along with higher intelligence would be of use here.

 

See? That is the stuff why I have to assume that most of you guys are inferior.

 

Everybody enjoys 3PP to some extent. But this enjoyment arises problems. Nobody'd care about those if we'd been talking about a single player or strict co-op game. But it ain't. There are other players and most of them are competing with you one way or another. Your playstyle affects the whole world around you. Even outside the virtual world obviously. Just look at the servers in the mod. The low standards of the majority of players has made DayZ Mod to a comic of it's core idea. 

Sure you have a lot of choice...the choice of which pile of dung to play on.

That's why we see the necessity to speak up in the first place. We see the necessity to give up the comfort of having 3PP. We gladly lose the enjoyment there to gain a much bigger source of enjoyment: making the world more plausible.

 

You might think this is not an issue. Well, the devs think it is. That's why they're promoting the hardcore hive. They want to motivate players to increase their standards without beeing pushy.

Good for you guys. I wouldn't be so gentle because I know you guys rather need a decent kick in your rear to get yourself out of the comfort zone.

 

So just stop worrying. Nobody's gonna take your precious 3PP. At least for the time beeing. If the hardcore hive can sustain itself we don't need to argue. I just hope the lack of standards in the majority of the playerbase won't kill it.

[tommes 331]

You guys are all retarted, there's a reason there's two modes with two different views.

That is? I mean besides making it easier for players with lower skillset?

[eleventhavenue 204]

That is? I mean besides making it easier for players with lower skillset?

 

Well, it IS an excellent shit-magnet.

Once again; keep on working, 3PP players. You are awesome!

[tommes 331]

Lol with that I am going to call huge troll or pretentious idiot. 

 

Yes the perspective you use in a video game is a great indicator of how you live your day to day life. Also do not get on that high horse with people like yourself (who spent the last thread being insanely vulgar and combative) and gibonez trolling every topic on this subject with insanity. You even compared the issue to Hitler and slavery. You want to climb up on that high horse and pretend you personally are any better than any troll on this topic be my guest but you are just as bad as any poster I have seen.

 

It is a game. Let me repeat that, it is a game. Repeat that for me a couple of times and come back and say it is an indicator of real life or on par with the evils of man.

Another 3PP defender with bad reading skills and even worse logic. I never compared anything to Hitler. I said that 3PP being in OFP and Arma since the beginning is no reason for it to stay there forever. Some traditions have to be broken...just like slavery....once totally normal for mankind.

Then some guy incapable of understanding the argument threw something with "Hitler" or "Nazis" at me which I answered with the wikipedia of Godwin's Law...which basically states that there's always a point where some dumb shit calls you Hitler due to lack of reasoning behind everything else he could say.

 

Btw, I am an absolutely awesome poster. I am a master in argueing in internet discussion boards...as pathetic this title may be. You guys just hate me because you suck at it.

[fig0451 85]

Some traditions have to be broken...just like slavery....once totally normal for mankind.

 

Dude, I think 3PP is cheap as hell but 1) who cares there is a hardcore mode now 2) really? comparing it to slavery? You're not going to convince anyone of anything with hyperbolic shit like that.

[tommes 331]

Dude, I think 3PP is cheap as hell but 1) who cares there is a hardcore mode now 2) really? comparing it to slavery? You're not going to convince anyone of anything with hyperbolic shit like that.

2) Yeah...you got it. 3PP is like slavery. And I feel like a black guy whipped by white small dicked shits...  :rolleyes:

[punkvegita 44]

That is? I mean besides making it easier for players with lower skillset?

Tommes your the biggest troll here, read my entire post. So let me ask you this, you think the only reason to play 3rd person is to get an easier type of gameplay? In my opinion it is a lil easier but not by much, but thats not the only reason you would play 1PP servers instead of 3PP. This game is extremely big and the majority of the time you spend without any player interaction which could make it a lil boring. You would play 3PP overall for the  enjoyment. Ppl with a much higher skill set than yourself can play 3PP no problem than when they really want to test there skill level move over to a game like counter strike where skillset actually comes into play. If you play dayz to test your "skillset" your an idiot.

[Rott (DayZ) 218]

It's a game... Don't like it, don't play it... Or better yet rant on the forums... O wait...

[Zombie Jesus 723]

Another 3PP defender with bad reading skills and even worse logic. I never compared anything to Hitler. I said that 3PP being in OFP and Arma since the beginning is no reason for it to stay there forever. Some traditions have to be broken...just like slavery....once totally normal for mankind.

Then some guy incapable of understanding the argument threw something with "Hitler" or "Nazis" at me which I answered with the wikipedia of Godwin's Law...which basically states that there's always a point where some dumb shit calls you Hitler due to lack of reasoning behind everything else he could say.

 

Btw, I am an absolutely awesome poster. I am a master in argueing in internet discussion boards...as pathetic this title may be. You guys just hate me because you suck at it.

 

Lol my bad I was using the Edmund Burke Quote that you posted about the only thing necessary for evil is good men to remain silent. That quote is often used in reference to WWII and the Holocaust but it is much older than that event, but it is still a ridiculous quote to use when discussing anything in a video game. It is hyperbole at its worst. Although I will admit I did misappropriate the quote in this case since it is a quote that stands apart from the NAZI's and WWII. You did compare it to slavery at one point though which is equally moronic. You have compared a feature in a video game to being a man, you have compared a feature in a video game to the value of a person, etc etc etc. 

 

So excuse the minor misappropriation, it does not make anything else you have to say on a topic as trivial as 3PP any less moronic. 

 

You are not that good at ARGUING bro, you are a decent troll though. Also Goodwin's law only applies if I called you Hitler or a Nazi, I did not do that because we are discussing a video game. It is called perspective, try it out sometime. 

Edited January 28, 2014 by Zombie Jesus

[soulfirez 901]

It isn't harder though. Everyone in a 1PP server is similarly restricted.  People in a regular server have the same sets of tools.  If everyone is similarly restricted then there isn't a change in difficulty, just a change in the manner the game is represented.

 

Now if you are on a regular server and refuse to use 3PP, then that is a difference in difficulty since you are intentionally limiting yourself.  But lets not make hardcore into some fabricated special classification where only the l33t go to play the game. 

 

I happen to find 3PP gives me back a little bit of the visibility and awareness that the horrific 1PP setting takes away.  I also like to see my character.  They look so cool.

Really REALLY lol no one made hardcore out to be the elite side of the game is it harder to play yes and honestly from your answer its pretty obvious you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

 

Seriously that has to be the dumbest answer i have read that has been well written  i know you havent played the mod by your answers i mean you even point out how limited the aweness is in first person no shit sherlock that is what makes it harder hencee why you decide to play 3rd view. Does it make the game harder for every one so its a level playing field yeah it does.

 

Seriously is there no logic left in people i am ashamed you use such a cool profile pic but then i guess han solo was a bit well stupid to cool but stupid he had to slapped in the face with the forrce to believe it to .......

 

Go play arma or the mod of dayz the views work exactly the same as they do in the standalone and do as i asked back a car or land a helicopter and tell me which was harder in which view.....

 

You have no redeeming worth as a comunity member funny quips sure but all the logic of road kill....

 

Edit for the 10th bloody time i like 3rd view i dont want it to go away there are plenty of valid reasons to use 3rd view but sorry difficulty is not will not or ever be a valid one. I am happy the hives have been seperated cause honestly i thought the first person players were pig headed but it seems stupidity is alive and well amongst some of the 3rd view players aswell as first view players...

Edited January 29, 2014 by SoulFirez

[tommes 331]

So let me ask you this, you think the only reason to play 3rd person is to get an easier type of gameplay?

It lets you see things you can't see in 1st. Why? To make it harder? No.

This game is extremely big and the majority of the time you spend without any player interaction which could make it a lil boring. You would play 3PP overall for the  enjoyment. Ppl with a much higher skill set than yourself can play 3PP no problem than when they really want to test there skill level move over to a game like counter strike where skillset actually comes into play. If you play dayz to test your "skillset" your an idiot.

As I explained in detail: the mere existence of 3PP has more than trivial implications on the whole world. You have to change your behaviour away from common sense.

You can't talk that away. Devs made the hardcore hive for a reason. They left the regular hive with 3PP for a reason too. So you guys won't bitch. Fine with me. Enjoy yourselves. I just won't take you for full (as a player and partly as a person) until you play like it.

[tommes 331]

...but it is still a ridiculous quote to use when discussing anything in a video game. It is hyperbole at its worst.

I tried to make you understand by using an analogy. And I tried a bold one because everything more nuanced didn't work because the 3PP lot either does not understand, misunderstand or completely ignore everything the other side is presenting.

In the beginning of DayZ nobody really cared about 3PP or not. Most, just as myself, just took it for granted, normal, given, not beeing aware of what it does to gameplay. But some day I had to experience exactly that and was quite annoyed by the fact that it was forcing me to adapt to bullshit. Couple of months later Dyslexi's video made the issue popular again. As a result more and more players, including the dev team, get aware of it and even some measures have been taken. So it wasn't for nothing.

 

You did compare it to slavery at one point though which is equally moronic. You have compared a feature in a video game to being a man, you have compared a feature in a video game to the value of a person, etc etc etc.

Examples for a principal. The principal beeing that what makes you not just a man, but a good man, is having ethics, morals and standards, especially for yourself. 

 

 

You are not that good at ARGUING bro,

Well bro, you definitely aren't better at it. Am I an elitist for pointing that out? Edited January 29, 2014 by tommes

[PhillyT 554]

Whoa there Soulfirez, chill son.

 

If what you saw in that post was dumb, so be it.  But yes, your previous post give the clear implication that hardcore servers are harder in some way.  They aren't "harder" though since everyone is playing by the same set of rules.  Like I said, in a normal server, if a person refuses to use 3PP, they will be at a disadvantage.

 

As far as not knowing what I am talking about, again, nothing I said in the post gives that impression.  I have played the MOD (only a small amount though) and am a 36 year old man with a lifetime of gaming experience.  I have enough understanding to make comments based on my observations.

 

As far as the restricted view, my point was not that the 1PP perspective is just restricted compared to 3PP, it was that something about the ARMA II engine makes 1PP even more stiff and restricted than normal 1PP games.  It is a clunky, poorly designed system that unnaturally restricts both view and movement.  3PP helps to solve at least some of that.

[tommes 331]

As far as the restricted view, my point was not that the 1PP perspective is just restricted compared to 3PP, it was that something about the ARMA II engine makes 1PP even more stiff and restricted than normal 1PP games.  It is a clunky, poorly designed system that unnaturally restricts both view and movement.  3PP helps to solve at least some of that.

It doesn't solve anything. It just relieves some of the pain a little. Just like morphine doesn't fix your bones but makes you not feel it. The price you pay is a possible addiction and maybe hallucinations.

It's one argument for 3PP:off that devs would be forced to improve 1PP. Wouldn't be that hard in my opinion. What I've heard Arma3 is much better in that regard so the knowledge is already in the company.

[UGLYMRJ 23]

Nope

 

Short term solution would be to remove it outright until they can develop a way to fix looking over cover or walls.

 

Rockets just being a pansy and doesn't want to piss anyone off.

 

Many people prefer a 3rd person shooter experience... in games like Socom or Battlefront it's part of the gameplay. If there's a server for each type of player... why remove it? Everyone get's what they want? Removing it only discourages a large group of players from getting what they want = less players = less money = less development = less content. 

 

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it. 

[TEST_SUBJECT_83 465]

IMO, there is nothing wrong with 3PP, it's in alot of great games.

I just don't think it belongs in a game that strives on being authentic, where immersion and realism are key points of the gameplay.

I myself don't use it in DayZ, I actually despise it, but I realize it's not going anywhere.

I think the invisible walls for the camera would be a great fix.

I know this has been suggested before but I drew a horribly done picture in paint that sort of shows what I mean.

Camera can not go past the purple lines. This of course would work on any side or top of any wall.