So my character got wiped.. *FREE GUMMY BEARS*

[P3Nn 53]

So my character got wiped... I was expecting this as i was warned before i purchased. 

I'm not exactly pissed off because it'll give me chance to do a bit more exploring. I think anyone who's had 3 hours game play on their belt can get all their desired loot.

 

What i want to know is why are the game mechanics and the whole system so flakey?

 

Please don't respond with IS ALPHA, ALPHER, ALPA.....

I've played quite a few Alphas before which were all unpaid. Some have had major bugs like Day Z does but I've never had my character wiped even after going onto Beta and then onto the Release title.

My main question is why was this a Pay to Play.. This Alpha should of been released free to help develop the game not increase Rocket's bank flow... I am under full awareness how much is costs to develop a game of this scale but there are hundreds of other instances where games like this have been successful without charging for Alphas.

At the end of the day i do feel like my money has gone towards something not like when i bought Sim City 5 hahaha  >:( EA have enough money the capitalist bastards..
 

I'm just worried that 1-3 years down the line Day Z will be using an outdated engine, the game mechanics will still be flakey and the £19 i paid will have been wasted to false hope.

 

Gummy bears were a lie sorry  :beans:

 

 

[GOD™ 2795]

 

Gummy bears were a lie sorry  :beans:

 

Edited January 22, 2014 by GOD™

[Nienko 41]

...you say £19, so you must be from England. £19 is not a big money there. Its like one Steak dinner or 2 Mc' donalds or whatever...

And If you are not happy with the game after "3years", you just buy some other game for £19 and go play it..

Edited January 22, 2014 by Nienko

[ninjacalypse 551]

Gummy bears were a lie sorry  :beans:

 

 

 

I've actually got some gummy bears.  Not sure if you want 'em though.

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/166929-the-gummy-bear-cleanse/

[blacklabel79 949]

Patience is a virtue.

[jasher11 67]

You paid £19 for the alpha, beta and full release, same model that was used with Arma 3, and other games like minecraft. As for the engine being flakey i think apart from the lag when the servers get stressed and melee weapons the engine is good, it means we can have a HUGE map like very few other games, the realism aspects are cool, and when there are more firearms thats when weapon mechanics used in the RV engine will come into their own.

The engine probably wont be outdated in 1-3years , take CoD same engine for all the games, still runs well you can go back to CoD 4 and it plays fantastically, so the fact the engine will be old in 1-3years wont mean a thing

[Zollicoffer 200]

They aren't character wipes, exactly. Whenever that happens, it's because the server you joined is not communicating with the hive, to collect your character info. Just leave the server quickly and look for a new one that can get that info. If you stay on a server with your new spawn, then when that server does reconnect with the hive, it will overwrite your previous character. Most of the time it's an issue with the server, and not the hive itself.

As for the price tag, remember they expected initial sales to be a fraction of what they have turned out to be. By the original estimates, they would have made just enough to cover their initial investment, continued development costs, future marketing costs, a buffer for unforeseen costs, and anything else BI considers necessary. It's true there are a decent number of free to play alphas and betas out there, but they are usually either published by studios with deep enough pocketbooks to hold off on adding a price (and therefore making more profits overall, with a higher price on full release), or by a very small group of inexperienced but incredibly dedicated people collecting no paycheck and taking a huge financial risk. Personally, I'm pretty happy with the pricing model. It's a good inbetween, where we can get it cheap and not pay again, and Dean and the crew have a stable enough budget to comfortably be able to do what they want to do.

[Greaves 131]

I wouldn't make it free if i was them. People will download it, play it, get bored, and when the beta/final product comes out, they won't buy it cause they've seen what the game is about, and played a long time during the alpha for free.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Greaves

[chewythefirst 10]

They aren't character wipes, exactly. Whenever that happens, it's because the server you joined is not communicating with the hive, to collect your character info. Just leave the server quickly and look for a new one that can get that info. If you stay on a server with your new spawn, then when that server does reconnect with the hive, it will overwrite your previous character. Most of the time it's an issue with the server, and not the hive itself.

As for the price tag, remember they expected initial sales to be a fraction of what they have turned out to be. By the original estimates, they would have made just enough to cover their initial investment, continued development costs, future marketing costs, a buffer for unforeseen costs, and anything else BI considers necessary. It's true there are a decent number of free to play alphas and betas out there, but they are usually either published by studios with deep enough pocketbooks to hold off on adding a price (and therefore making more profits overall, with a higher price on full release), or by a very small group of inexperienced but incredibly dedicated people collecting no paycheck and taking a huge financial risk. Personally, I'm pretty happy with the pricing model. It's a good inbetween, where we can get it cheap and not pay again, and Dean and the crew have a stable enough budget to comfortably be able to do what they want to do.

very well put, when i saw bill murray as your profile pic i was thinking this guy better have something smart to say :)

[P3Nn 53]

...you say £19, so you must be from England. £19 is not a big money there. Its like one Steak dinner or 2 Mc' donalds or whatever...

And If you are not happy with the game after "3years", you just buy some other game for £19 and go play it..

Did you actually think before you typed? Just because £19 isn't big money doesn't mean i shouldn't get what i paid for.. 

And are you actually not bothered about the game progressing? Why are you here?

[blacklabel79 949]

You payed for acces to a EARLY ALPHA. not more not less.

[P3Nn 53]

You paid £19 for the alpha, beta and full release, same model that was used with Arma 3, and other games like minecraft. As for the engine being flakey i think apart from the lag when the servers get stressed and melee weapons the engine is good, it means we can have a HUGE map like very few other games, the realism aspects are cool, and when there are more firearms thats when weapon mechanics used in the RV engine will come into their own.

The engine probably wont be outdated in 1-3years , take CoD same engine for all the games, still runs well you can go back to CoD 4 and it plays fantastically, so the fact the engine will be old in 1-3years wont mean a thing

As you say the model was copied from Arma 3 but Day Z:SA is a much smaller, more restricted game than Arma 3. Maybe once this expands then this will be better. 

How can you say the melee weapons engine is good when attacking something is super clunky and hits only 5/10 even when your aiming right at them.

I'm more concerned about how clunky everything is for instance opening doors or just the way the character moves.. I guess yes it is like Americas Army but surely that's a step backwards is it not? 

But COD is not a game to compare it to graphically COD is not that stunning nor is it a constantly updating/changing game. When you look at other games in the same class as Day Z:SA their product life span is only about a year or two.

 

Don't get me wrong i enjoy the game and see potential i just see the future looking bleak 

 

[P3Nn 53]

You payed for acces to a EARLY ALPHA. not more not less.

No shit Sherlock.. I guess i shouldn't be comparing it to other Alphas because they are all tests and unpredictable but it's hard not to!

[P3Nn 53]

I wouldn't make it free if i was them. People will download it, play it, get bored, and when the beta/final product comes out, they won't buy it cause they've seen what the game is about, and played a long time during the alpha for free.

Tell that to hundreds of developers who release free alphas and betas.. 

I've just played the Elder Scrolls Online beta and i'm not bored of it! The Beta has now ended but i will purchase/pay for it once it release.

It's the normal and right model to do! It's only Arma that I've seen force players to pay for Alpha/Beta.

Once the game is complete with new features, and ready for the market then that's when you pay.

Edited January 22, 2014 by P3Nn

[P3Nn 53]

They aren't character wipes, exactly. Whenever that happens, it's because the server you joined is not communicating with the hive, to collect your character info. Just leave the server quickly and look for a new one that can get that info. If you stay on a server with your new spawn, then when that server does reconnect with the hive, it will overwrite your previous character. Most of the time it's an issue with the server, and not the hive itself.

As for the price tag, remember they expected initial sales to be a fraction of what they have turned out to be. By the original estimates, they would have made just enough to cover their initial investment, continued development costs, future marketing costs, a buffer for unforeseen costs, and anything else BI considers necessary. It's true there are a decent number of free to play alphas and betas out there, but they are usually either published by studios with deep enough pocketbooks to hold off on adding a price (and therefore making more profits overall, with a higher price on full release), or by a very small group of inexperienced but incredibly dedicated people collecting no paycheck and taking a huge financial risk. Personally, I'm pretty happy with the pricing model. It's a good inbetween, where we can get it cheap and not pay again, and Dean and the crew have a stable enough budget to comfortably be able to do what they want to do.

Thanks for the information i will take this forward and put it into practice!

 

Even before the release of the SA though there was a lot of investment. Day Z:SA has grossed $12,000,000 already if not more... I just hope in the long run that this funding goes to something that i have contributed to and for.

 

It'll be a shame to see people burn out this game and stop playing it because the development is slow.

"or by a very small group of inexperienced but incredibly dedicated people collecting no paycheck and taking a huge financial risk" -- That's the way inventors work and game developers are essentially inventors so why should it be different? Because they know they can get people to spend disposable income? I'm not saying that Day Z:SA doesn't deserve the money but it is quite hard to tell this early on.

 

Time will tell for this one! 

Edited January 22, 2014 by P3Nn

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Tell that to hundreds of developers who release free alphas and betas.. 

I've just played the Elder Scrolls Online beta and i'm not bored of it! The Beta has now ended but i will purchase/pay for it once it release.

It's the normal and right model to do! It's only Arma that I've seen force players to pay for Alpha/Beta.

Once the game is complete with new features, and ready for the market then that's when you pay.

 

I am sorry but I suspect you are not being completely truthful when you claim that "I've played quite a few Alphas before". Your only example mentioned is a beta, and there is a big difference between a beta and alpha version of a game. Alphas are not usually made public, and alphatesters are usually part of a select group that has gone through a strict application process. As such the DayZ SA process is quite unique in its approach (for a non-open source game). I am thinking you screwed yourself, thinking that an alpha was just like all the betas you have tried.

 

And it is a bit disingenous to include a disclaimer about not wanting "It's an alpha" answers, when that is exactly the only answer to your OP.

 

TL;DR: OP: "I bought an alpha, ignoring all the warnings. Now I found out it is an alpha, and now I feel somebody should have warned me, or the game should at least have been free".

[Konna 149]

 

My main question is why was this a Pay to Play.. This Alpha should of been released free to help develop the game not increase Rocket's bank flow... I am under full awareness how much is costs to develop a game of this scale but there are hundreds of other instances where games like this have been successful without charging for Alphas.

 

 

I don't feel like reading the whole thread if someone answered this, but it is simple the fact that you are supporting the developing of the game by buying it in Alpha. (It's also cheaper, which is a bargain..)

So that way Rocket can hire new staff members (Possibly) to do things better! I'd assume that'd be the case really.

And like Rocket stated himself, he tries to tell people not to buy into the Alpha.

[Mopp_94 29]

...you say £19, so you must be from England. £19 is not a big money there. Its like one Steak dinner or 2 Mc' donalds or whatever...

And If you are not happy with the game after "3years", you just buy some other game for £19 and go play it..

 

Bitch please that shit could buy 4 Maccy D's. 

 

 

 

Nearly. 

[altosk 8]

I've literally only had one character wipe. Stop server hopping for one. I 99.9% guarantee you joined a sever that is version like 11380 or something instead of the current 11480 or something like that. Take a moment to look at the sever before you join. Don't join servers that don't have the current version posted, and forthe love of god stop being a douche. There's enough of them in these forums.

[P3Nn 53]

Okay so i played the Alpha for Start Wars Galaxies, Various indie games, Next Car Game Alpha is something that i'm playing at the moment and more betas.

That is my point why not have a closed alpha that doesn't cost anyone participating and is for testing purposes. Then have a server stress test via a beta when the game is more ready.

 

That's the normal structure for a game release rather than have a structure which is primarily to generate revenue. All the money in the world can't make a game good and EA proves that theory. 

 

Back to the OP i think my issue is that i was comparing the game to other Alphas I've played which i shouldn't because they're all different.

I think you missed me saying that i do enjoy the game and i'm happy paying for it just i hope that our $12,000,000 that we've all invested/contributed will go to something in the long run. 
 

I am sorry but I suspect you are not being completely truthful when you claim that "I've played quite a few Alphas before". Your only example mentioned is a beta, and there is a big difference between a beta and alpha version of a game. Alphas are not usually made public, and alphatesters are usually part of a select group that has gone through a strict application process. As such the DayZ SA process is quite unique in its approach (for a non-open source game). I am thinking you screwed yourself, thinking that an alpha was just like all the betas you have tried.

 

And it is a bit disingenous to include a disclaimer about not wanting "It's an alpha" answers, when that is exactly the only answer to your OP.

 

TL;DR: OP: "I bought an alpha, ignoring all the warnings. Now I found out it is an alpha, and now I feel somebody should have warned me, or the game should at least have been free".

[P3Nn 53]

I don't feel like reading the whole thread if someone answered this, but it is simple the fact that you are supporting the developing of the game by buying it in Alpha. (It's also cheaper, which is a bargain..)

So that way Rocket can hire new staff members (Possibly) to do things better! I'd assume that'd be the case really.

And like Rocket stated himself, he tries to tell people not to buy into the Alpha.

As i said in response to BadAsh. 

"I think you missed me saying that i do enjoy the game and i'm happy paying for it just i hope that our $12,000,000 that we've all invested/contributed will go to something in the long run."

and

"That is my point why not have a closed alpha that doesn't cost anyone participating and is for testing purposes. Then have a server stress test via a beta when the game is more ready.

 

That's the normal structure for a game release rather than have a structure which is primarily to generate revenue. All the money in the world can't make a game good and EA proves that theory over and over again."

 

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

 

 

I'm just worried that 1-3 years down the line Day Z will be using an outdated engine, the game mechanics will still be flakey and the £19 i paid will have been wasted to false hope.

 

 

 

3 years of playing a game you paid £19. That is a pretty good investment as far as modern video games go.

[P3Nn 53]

I've literally only had one character wipe. Stop server hopping for one. I 99.9% guarantee you joined a sever that is version like 11380 or something instead of the current 11480 or something like that. Take a moment to look at the sever before you join. Don't join servers that don't have the current version posted, and forthe love of god stop being a douche. There's enough of them in these forums.

I don't server hop. I came on from a two day break, The server version may have been outdated but these are basic bugs/issues that should be resolved before weapon balancing.

Even if i caused it by joining and server and not leaving because it didn't load with 60 seconds that's not right. 

If you're going to try and offend someone don't use the word "douche" it just makes you look like silly cunt like Justin Bieber.

[Nienko 41]

Did you actually think before you typed? Just because £19 isn't big money doesn't mean i shouldn't get what i paid for..

And are you actually not bothered about the game progressing? Why are you here?

You actually got more than you payed for.. I think.

If you dont know what to do with this game its your problem. Rocket told YOU, and people like YOU, not to buy the game now. Buy it after a year or two. And how its going to be outdated? People are still happily playing Arma2 and thats an old game. There is no other game like this, so just play it or go play some free to play game, if you are so cheap. ;)

[P3Nn 53]

 

 

 

 

3 years of playing a game you paid £19. That is a pretty good investment as far as modern video games go.

 

Haha definitely! I was still pissed off when my PS3 (Paid £550 on release) died 4 years after i bought it. That's why no more console gaming and back to PC's for me!

It's just as i see it, It will take 2-3 years to complete the game. I just hope that the development, community and finances will continue to make this a success.

There are so many variables that could make this fail.