BattlEye Bans?

[ratiasu@hotmail.co.jp 122]

I may have missed it, but I do not see any PC specs posted here. A gen 1 i7 or i5 wouldn't have any CPU issues. Hence his alleged friend has a core quad at the best, probably duo. So just getting a new CPU won't cut it, he'll also need new ram and mobo. Hence new PC. Not keeping amd in mind as I'm not up to date on those.

Once you arrive at a point where a CPU upgrade is needed, you might as well get a new PC entirely. Better bang/buck in the long run.

Also, how am I daft?

[BelMarduk 169]

@Belmarduk

 

One of the worst feelings when doing PC support is getting your hands on a computer where some Google hero has been messing around.

 

Some people can easily get the "feeling" needed to work with software, some people can't. Just like i could spend hours upon hours of teaching people how to repair a car, yet they will never ever get it.

 

It is not reasonable to expect everyone to be experts in every aspect of every tool in our daily life.

 

This is a perfect example of people not being able to stand besides their own perspective and look at something objectively

Fact of a computer: It will ONLY do what you tell it to do. Period. Any argument against this fact will be laughed at for days and days.

Fact of a car: it will need maintenance (if used/driven at all) *same note on argument above*

To follow your analogy out... If you have a 'trusted' mechanic all is well. If you don't have a trusted mechanic you are going to *pay* far more than what you otherwise should.

I can understand that not everyone has 'uber' skills on either fixing a car or a computer (I am actually ASE certified, GM certified mechanic (7 years working as a mechanic at a GM dealership), AND MCSE and A+ certified (9 years working as a field service tech office equipment B) )). However in BOTH (or any) instances due diligence is required.

If you don't know what you are doing, you find someone 'trusted' to help you. If you can not be bothered to at least research what affects the money leaving your wallet (or cause money to leave your wallet), then its kind of silly to get butthurt when that money goes where you didn't want it to go... Or more to the point, protecting the money still in your wallet.

[-Morph- 4]

Ok then, this will be an interesting topic because in definition it will separate the useful people on the forum from those who seek to purely be an ass.

 

I have been on this forum for a year now (only just registering in Early December) and every time I have seen threads associated with BattlEye global bans despite the Op's reasoning of not being  slimy hacker, every single one has been shot down. Now I understand this fully as the mod itself was broken in terms of its protection against hacks up until anti-hack scripts were introduced especially on private hives, meaning there were many liars among the sheep herd. But in terms of the SA its a little bit of a different landscape now due to the development of BattlEye only recently joining us once again (I say "meh" to this action)

 

As of today, one of my friends was globally banned by BattlEye today spontaneously for no apparent reason. I play with this guy every day and a few others and we always do things by the book, no hacking involved obviously. The only thing I know of is that he said he downloaded a FPS Increase tool for DayZ in hopes of raising his FPS in cities and towns and points towards the only reason he could have been hacked in some way or another, I seriously have no clue.

 

However, Does DayZ Use the CD Key system the Mod used?? when I right-click on it in my Steam Library there's no option to "View CD Key" which makes me think that it couldn't have been a classic CD Key Theft and then used by a hacker.

 

He's emailed BattlEye and is awaiting a response, if any of you guys could help with any reasoning for this sort of ban (obv hacking is a reason) or if you choose not to help but sit in scepticism of the claims my friend is not a hacker then id rather you answer my question about CD Keys and how they work in the SA (if they even exist that is...)

 

Thanks for reading,

 

Miles

 

I was banned by BattleEye in the mod. When I got in touch with them they told me that there was clear evidence that pointed to another user, who had hacked my account key. Although they would not share any further information. They told me that based on this I should contact the developmnent company who should be able to resolve it. I never recieved any response or acknowledgement from the development company.

 

It was very annoying, and I refused to re-buy the game, as the only dayZ resources I ever used which could have led to my account information being stolen were the Dayz map, dayz commander and community forum.

 

I shuddered when I saw they are back. Their system was in my opinion total shit and I felt like I was made to pay the price for the companies failures to secure their own game and community resources. If I am incorrectly banned again because of it in the standalone I won't re-buy the game.

 

I have played many games with hackers and hacked accounts before but none where the guy whos accoutn is hacked is the only one punished. ;) My main gripe with the mod was the rampant hacking and it was only compounded by my being punished for such activites while whover stole my key was able to freely continue cheating.

 

My emails with battleeye also led me to question if they were a real, professional security comapny. The man I communicated with seemed to have isseus constructing even basic sentences.

Edited January 13, 2014 by -Morph-

[-Morph- 4]

yeah, unless they stole both your steam and your email info, there's no way to hack a steam account.

Theoretically possible if your friend was dumb enough to DL a random .exe but then it's his fault for lacking the brain power to deduce or look into things.

I myself had my arma II OA key stolen downloading custom skins with an installer and made a huge stink about it, but was told the same -- hence the big ol' warning in the mod section about DLing unauthorized programs as most were in fact key loggers collecting keys to turn around and sell on the same or similar sites.

 

 

I never downlaoded anything related to dayz and had myu acocunt comprimised so your talking shit. simple as that!

 

well, unless dayz commander was run by a hacker. that is the only thing I have ever dled for Dayz! But that was used by most of the community and widely advocated on the community forums. ;)

Edited January 13, 2014 by -Morph-

[floj 393]

It wouldn't have to be specifically for dayZ. Any unverified .exe has/had the potential to steal cd keys from your registry. The chance of you being indirectly hacked based purely on your ip or somesuch is miniscule because it's harder to do and why do the hard option when there's plenty of people giving you the easy option already.

 

EDIT: As mentioned above, they now need your email details AND steam details, so it's tougher, but Im sure someone'll still gift them it

Edited January 13, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[-Morph- 4]

It wouldn't have to be specifically for dayZ. Any unverified .exe has/had the potential to steal cd keys from your registry. The chance of you being indirectly hacked based purely on your ip or somesuch is miniscule because it's harder to do and why do the hard option when there's plenty of people giving you the easy option already.

 

EDIT: As mentioned above, they now need your email details AND steam details, so it's tougher, but Im sure someone'll still gift them it

 

Well, I can only report the facts of my experience.

 

1) I was banned without cheating or downlaoding any exe related to dayz, except dayz commander.

 

2) BE confiremed to me they had evidence of Key theft by another party. 

 

3) The devs refused to respond or make any effort to resolve the issue.

 

I find it very implausible that another .exe I would download for a totally unrelated reasons should be looking to steal my dayz key! 

 

The simple fact is that where the anti-cheat detector confirms account theft there needs to be procedures in place to resolve that for the customer, like in every other game I have ever played in the last two decades! And lets be honest, there needs to be much better security than the mod, where hacking went on all day erry day, in plain sight. That was not good enough, and it is amazing that the same company are given the contract again!

 

I would say spending some of the millions of pounds of alpha sub money on a proffessional established security provider would make more sense than famring it out to some bedroom start up company on the cheap.

Edited January 13, 2014 by -Morph-

[floj 393]

It could steal all the keys from your registry, then sell em for a dollar each to anyone interested. You can find all kinda discounted keys on the interwebs, most were not obtained legitimately.

 

There's gold in them thar hills and it's *a reason* why you should be incredibly wary of any application from an unknown source. The fact it might also be logging your browsing history for passwords and bank details is another...

Edited January 13, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[tsandrey 379]

The simple fact is that where the anti-cheat detector confirms account theft there needs to be procedures in place to resolve that for the customer, like in every other game I have ever played in the last two decades! And lets be honest, there needs to be much better security than the mod, where hacking went on all day erry day, in plain sight. That was not good enough, and it is amazing that the same company are given the contract again!

 

I would say spending some of the millions of pounds of alpha sub money on a proffessional established security provider would make more sense than famring it out to some bedroom start up company on the cheap.

 

BE has nothing to do with the way CD-keys work and can't fix that. BI needs to fix that, and right now DayZ doesn't have that problem. I have a strong feeling OP's friend just downloaded a cheat but won't admit it, because the only 2 other options are:

1) Someone stole his steam account

2) It is indeed a false positive (very unlikely). Then he can just email BE and the ban will be overturned

Edited January 13, 2014 by TSAndrey

[-Morph- 4]

It could steal all the keys from your registry, then sell em for a dollar each to anyone interested. You can find all kinda discounted keys on the interwebs, most were not obtained legitimately.

 

There's gold in them thar hills and it's *a reason* why you should be incredibly wary of any application from an unknown source. The fact it might also be logging your browsing history for passwords and bank details is another...

 

OK, I won't pretend to know anbout that, and I am happy to take your word for it. Although I can say I have never experienced the same issue playing any other game in 25 years!

 

But it doesn't change two central issues.

 

1) If theft is identified there should be procedures in place to reclaim your account. The criminal not the victim should be penalised.

 

2) Security, or lack there of, was one of the biggest problems with mod. The company responsible for security, BE, failed miserbly. They should not receive the contract again! As far as I am aware that is BE's only work to date. Not the sort of track record I would re-invest in.

Edited January 13, 2014 by -Morph-

[tsandrey 379]

2) Security, or lack there of, was one of the biggest problems with mod. The company responsible for security, BE, failed miserbly. They should not receive the contract again! As far as I am aware that is BE's only work to date. Not the sort of track record I would re-invest in.

And again, you're making an assumption with no evidence supporting it. BE didn't fail at all. 160k bans, configurable server filters (which most admins failed to use properly), weekly banwaves and etc. prove just how effective BE was. You think PB/VAC would do better? 

Edited January 13, 2014 by TSAndrey

[assassinofkings151 38]

is "FPS Booster" a synonym for "ESP" and "Aimbot"?

hack0rz gonna hack.... haters gonna hate...

 

No. My friend had been having problems with the choppy framerate of DayZ's villages and cities like many people have but unlike most chose the stupid option and sought out a program that might fix that, turns out he downloaded what appears to be phishing software and got victimised, logic eh?? At the end of the day it can happen to anyone, you could go on youtube and download any .bat file or .exe from a hacker which is something completely un-related to the topic of DayZ and end up like my friend did.    

I guess the FPS part means "First-Person-shooter" booster instead of frames per second.

 

Your right FPS is also an acronym for "First Person Shooter" your a person of very high intellect aren't you?? :)  I didn't want to type out frames per second so I just put FPS, care to stop trying to be the "funny guy" in this topic??

[Bohannan (DayZ) 235]

Still no link provided from where your "buddy" downloaded this fps booster.  There are legit versions such as http://www.razerzone.com/gamebooster

 

There is no excuse for not researching the place where you were getting said fps booster.  Easy enough if you wanted a legit version you could have easily came here and asked if anyone knew of such, im certain you would have had many replies.  Granted his intentions might sound fortuitous on the surface it really doesn't sound that it was in good dealings. 

 

Maybe he'll learn from his mistakes.

[floj 393]

OK, I won't pretend to know anbout that, and I am happy to take your word for it. Although I can say I have never experienced the same issue playing any other game in 25 years!

 

1) If theft is identified there should be procedures in place to reclaim your account. The criminal not the victim should be penalised.

Hacking had far less repurcussions in earlier days of t'interwebs, games didn't have unique identifiers like individual cd keys, so it'd just be an IP, hardware or username ban (easily circumvented for free) or you'd just have to generate another randomly valid key. The reason people steal keys is because bans are on a per key basis and because anticheat evolves, so they get banned using the old hacks and don't want to pay full price for the pleasure(!?) of cheating again with the newly developed hack - or they need a new key just to test their new hack, so they try and steal one.

 

http://steamcommunity.com/app/224580/discussions/0/684839199418971993/ has a nice summary of what might get *innocent* people banned for hacking

 

As stated here, your key is your responsibility: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/146077-global-ban-appealing-we-cant-make-is-prettier-we-can-make-it-easier/

 

160k bans is pretty effective for anticheat even assuming that the current SA numbers are accurate for the number of players that played the mod (at a guess the mod had fewer, but I couldn't find a reliable figure)

[Sawnek 12]

I'm sure it's not entirely impossible for somebody to stumble upon an 'FPS Booster', curiously downloading it and then finding out their account is then banned. Who knows, maybe the website had positive feedback, but that's just speculation. 

[assassinofkings151 38]

Still no link provided from where your "buddy" downloaded this fps booster.  There are legit versions such as http://www.razerzone.com/gamebooster

 

There is no excuse for not researching the place where you were getting said fps booster.  Easy enough if you wanted a legit version you could have easily came here and asked if anyone knew of such, im certain you would have had many replies.  Granted his intentions might sound fortuitous on the surface it really doesn't sound that it was in good dealings. 

 

Maybe he'll learn from his mistakes.

 

Allow me to uncover the flaws in that reply you posted good sir...

 

1) I am not said person who downloaded it and my account is still functional

2) "said fps booster" implies the fact I am lying, again linking back to step 1) I cant be lying about such downloading of hacks if it was not me in the first place who supposedly tried, nor am I lying on the behalf of my friend I am only relaying what he told me and what he told me is still an issue in the community.

3) Considering I am not the one who downloaded such "FPS Booster" I cannot provide a link, I will see if he knows so I can warn individuals from going on the site but even then im sure posting a link as such would violate the terms and conditions of this forum in regards to posting said hacks or viruses.

4) "Buddy" also implies that I am using a scapegoat or lying about said situation and I am the one who has been issued a global ban, this is not the truth and your sceptic prediction already shows your an immature individual to speculate such things.

5) The FPS Booster downloaded was not a program as broad as Razer game Booster (which I have installed myself) and was one in relation to the specific problems of DayZ and its drop in frame rates at certain areas in the game.

 

You mistake me for an intricate liar or my friends babysitter, in truth I didn't really come here to see how the problem could be solved as i know the harsh reality of global bans (not by personal experience, before i get a wave of accusations come my way) but rather just to inform the community of such a situation should anyone else feel the need to download any foreign programs that could be dangerous.

Edited January 13, 2014 by MetalGearMiles
be nice

[ninjacalypse 551]

5) The FPS Booster downloaded was not a program as broad as Razer game Booster (which I have installed myself) and was one in relation to the specific problems of DayZ and its drop in frame rates at certain areas in the game.

I've searched for this malicious Dayz FPS booster program you say your friend was duped into downloading but when I do searches for dayz fps booster/optimization/etc. for both the standalone specifically and dayz in general all google comes up with are pages and pages of guides including step by step videos on how to optimize the in game settings and not a single link to a downloadable tool made specifically for dayz which is what you say your friend used. Just saying. I don't know where he would have come across this fake fps tool and not seen the numerous guides on simply optimizing his in game settings or alternatively adjusting the program settings for his GPU, both of which seem like no brainers.

[assassinofkings151 38]

I've searched for this malicious Dayz FPS booster program you say your friend was duped into downloading but when I do searches for dayz fps booster/optimization/etc. for both the standalone specifically and dayz in general all google comes up with are pages and pages of guides including step by step videos on how to optimize the in game settings and not a single link to a downloadable tool made specifically for dayz which is what you say your friend used. Just saying. I don't know where he would have come across this fake fps tool and not seen the numerous guides on simply optimizing his in game settings or alternatively adjusting the program settings for his GPU, both of which seem like no brainers.

 

Apparently it was a .dll file he downloaded and had to place in the game directory (insert facepalm here) 

 

Seems my friend may be a bit more mentally challenged than I thought so previously haha at least this topic will be of some use to others if they themselves download any files related with the optimization of DayZ...

[djporternz 644]

It's simple. You need to suspect any program that needs to be running while you play the game, and this goes for any .dll libs or other hooks you have to enable. And any that you do run, you have to sure they aren't doing anything else other than what they say they are.

 

And to the OP, these types of FPS boosters aren't doing anything magical. Do some research and learn how to do this yourself manually. Or via a script that you can vouch for because you write it yourself.

 

As to the ban, I haven't ever heard of BE backing down from one yet. And the problem is that a BE global ban will screw you over for this game as well as any other BE enabled game out there. But good luck.

 

PS: Just thought a little bit more. You may be able to get around the ban, IF you are able to create a completely separate Steam account and repurchase DayZ with a completely different payment method that can't be tied back to the original account. I.e. different debit card, email info, etc. If they can take the financial hit, it might be worth a crack.

 

And next time they want to do something like this, reach out and touch them, HARD upside the head!

Edited January 13, 2014 by DJPorterNZ

[Zollicoffer 200]

if company offer something for free you need to do some investigate :|

 

they say they give extra FPS you need to ask how they doing and why is for free? :huh:

 

go to this forums or reddit or good reputation tech forums and ask 'do I trust?'

 

any guy who putting software on his pc but don't know for sure what is in some way he deserve to learn hard lesson :|

 

this time was game key next time could be much worse things happen

 

tell friend to have pc deep clean by expert BEFORE HE BUY NEW GAME  :|

 

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but every time you post I imagine a big hairy Italian-Ukrainian speaking very emphatically while pounding a table with his fist.

[BelMarduk 169]

OK, I won't pretend to know anbout that, and I am happy to take your word for it. Although I can say I have never experienced the same issue playing any other game in 25 years!

 

But it doesn't change two central issues.

 

1) If theft is identified there should be procedures in place to reclaim your account. The criminal not the victim should be penalised.

 

2) Security, or lack there of, was one of the biggest problems with mod. The company responsible for security, BE, failed miserbly. They should not receive the contract again! As far as I am aware that is BE's only work to date. Not the sort of track record I would re-invest in.

If you have your bike stolen off your back porch, and the cops come and say 'yup, you're gates open, looks like someone stole your bike and used it in a crime'. The cops are not going to give you a new bike. Neither is Schwinn going to give you a new bike, and in either case, you shouldn't be given a new bike. Some how, some way you left the the key to the gate for someone to use, weather you meant to or not. *see my post above about a computer doing ONLY what you tell it to do*. BE offers YOU no security, and never made the claim to. BI offers YOU no security, never claimed to. BE offers security to servers. You failed in the security of YOUR computer, which is YOUR responsibility. That all said, I believe BE has done a great job in securing the servers (understand just what they are asked to do via catching *bad* scripting (among other things)in a game (MOD) who's entire existence is scripts. The SA is 'similar' to the MOD in as much as most of the 'scripting' that generates everything outside the map (loot etc) is scripts hard written into code.

BE is a solid company, doing a great job.

[africanhungergames 192]

Ok then, this will be an interesting topic because in definition it will separate the useful people on the forum from those who seek to purely be an ass.

 

I have been on this forum for a year now (only just registering in Early December) and every time I have seen threads associated with BattlEye global bans despite the Op's reasoning of not being  slimy hacker, every single one has been shot down. Now I understand this fully as the mod itself was broken in terms of its protection against hacks up until anti-hack scripts were introduced especially on private hives, meaning there were many liars among the sheep herd. But in terms of the SA its a little bit of a different landscape now due to the development of BattlEye only recently joining us once again (I say "meh" to this action)

 

As of today, one of my friends was globally banned by BattlEye today spontaneously for no apparent reason. I play with this guy every day and a few others and we always do things by the book, no hacking involved obviously. The only thing I know of is that he said he downloaded a FPS Increase tool for DayZ in hopes of raising his FPS in cities and towns and points towards the only reason he could have been hacked in some way or another, I seriously have no clue.

 

However, Does DayZ Use the CD Key system the Mod used?? when I right-click on it in my Steam Library there's no option to "View CD Key" which makes me think that it couldn't have been a classic CD Key Theft and then used by a hacker.

 

He's emailed BattlEye and is awaiting a response, if any of you guys could help with any reasoning for this sort of ban (obv hacking is a reason) or if you choose not to help but sit in scepticism of the claims my friend is not a hacker then id rather you answer my question about CD Keys and how they work in the SA (if they even exist that is...)

 

Thanks for reading,

 

Miles

He is lying to you.

 

Yeah he just downloaded a little 'fps increase tool' (script) specifically for this game to help with his fps nothing else though right. Just an 'fps increase tool' (script)

 

dont be so naive.

Edited January 14, 2014 by africanhungergames

[Bohannan (DayZ) 235]

Allow me to uncover the flaws in that reply you posted good sir...

 

1) I am not said person who downloaded it and my account is still functional

2) "said fps booster" implies the fact I am lying, again linking back to step 1) I cant be lying about such downloading of hacks if it was not me in the first place who supposedly tried, nor am I lying on the behalf of my friend I am only relaying what he told me and what he told me is still an issue in the community.

3) Considering I am not the one who downloaded such "FPS Booster" I cannot provide a link, I will see if he knows so I can warn individuals from going on the site but even then im sure posting a link as such would violate the terms and conditions of this forum in regards to posting said hacks or viruses.

4) "Buddy" also implies that I am using a scapegoat or lying about said situation and I am the one who has been issued a global ban, this is not the truth and your sceptic prediction already shows your an immature individual to speculate such things.

5) The FPS Booster downloaded was not a program as broad as Razer game Booster (which I have installed myself) and was one in relation to the specific problems of DayZ and its drop in frame rates at certain areas in the game.

 

You mistake me for an intricate liar or my friends babysitter, in truth I didn't really come here to see how the problem could be solved as i know the harsh reality of global bans (not by personal experience, before i get a wave of accusations come my way) but rather just to inform the community of such a situation should anyone else feel the need to download any foreign programs that could be dangerous.

 

Then why are you on here posting if it is his problem?!  Clearly you show some concern for the situation but have yet to divulge any details.  You either know the whole story or you dont and if you dont know the whole story, why post it there?!

 

You seem pretty defensive about a non threatening post.  Sounds kinda shady to me.

[Byzan 20]

"fps booster" sounds like a gamers equivalent of a penis enlarging drug.

 

serves him right hehe

[Solopopo 330]

Geez, I wont be downloading any third party programs for dayz. All I've been using is fraps. Hope that doesn't get me banned o.0

People were getting their accounts banned for nothing on WarZ a lot. Their anti cheat system considered the conditions of the kill (distance, visibility, etc.) and made an arbitrary decision about whether or not the kill should have been possible. Good players were getting banned all the time because they were pulling off difficult kills. I hope something like this doesn't happen in DayZ

Edited January 14, 2014 by Solopopo

[ninjacalypse 551]

Geez, I wont be downloading any third party programs for dayz. All I've been using is fraps. Hope that doesn't get me banned o.0

People were getting their accounts banned for nothing on WarZ a lot. Their anti cheat system considered the conditions of the kill (distance, visibility, etc.) and made an arbitrary decision about whether or not the kill should have been possible. Good players were getting banned all the time because they were pulling off difficult kills. I hope something like this doesn't happen in DayZ

 

You didn't even need to kill anyone in WarZ or even play the game at all to get banned.  Their friendly mod team handed out insta-bans (and still does) to anyone who so much as posted, "This is a great game but I just have a couple suggestions..." and pretty much anything that wasn't, "This game is perfect!" followed by no further discussion.

 

Dropping foreign third party DLLs into your game directory as OP says his friend did is definitely a no-brainer no-no.