Less weapon spawn + no starter weapon = GG

[jakeraddenxl@gmail.com 0]

Before you start complaining about feature balance, let's get all the features in the game and some of the bugs fixed. How about that?

I'm not saying you have valid or invalid arguments, but that this is not the time. Other problems are more pressing, like zombies' still hearing through walls, or loot spawn bugs, or any of a hundred other things. You can't balance a mixed PVP/PVE game when there are just as many bugs as features. It's just not possible.

[herd 69]

As for not finding a weapon' date=' its still easy to get a gun your just not trying.

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Right, hours of mindless running around towns, couple of time Cherno and no weapon. Very nice game design and also VERY realistic.

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Before you start complaining about feature balance' date=' let's get all the features in the game and some of the bugs fixed. How about that?

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Tell that to Rocket who doesnt fix current bugs but introduces new and new features *facepalm*.

[jakeraddenxl@gmail.com 0]

As for not finding a weapon' date=' its still easy to get a gun your just not trying.

Right, hours of mindless running around town, couple of time Cherno and no weapon. Very nice game design and also VERY realistic.

And in 15 minutes last night I found an ALICE, AK74, revovler, CZ550, binocs, watch, compass, map.

It's called luck and perseverance.

Tell that to Rocket how doesnt fix current bugs but introduces new and new features *facepalm*.

No, I won't tell that to Rocket. It's the right thing to do. He's adding the features he wants, then he'll balance the game out. He's making bugfixes along the way but I'm convinced big balance changes would and will come when he's happy with the feature/content level of the game.

[generationvii 6]

-Make 2 threads about what you want to see changed and don't like.

-Tell everyone to fuck off in this and your other thread.

-Call us elitist hardcore dipshits.

-Tell us to get a life.

Damn proud son, damn proud.

[herd 69]

-Make 2 threads about what you want to see changed and don't like.

-Tell everyone to fuck off in this and your other thread.

-Call us elitist hardcore dipshits.

-Tell us to get a life.

Damn proud son' date=' damn proud.

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Thx, I am trying hard.

[BwickFS39 9]

Yes I get that this is a game yes. I was simply stating the fact if you compare it to the other games in its genre it is the most realistic and that BI also Developed the VBS2 which much of this game is based on.

And yea' date=' btw, about VBS2. If someon is so pro hardcore realistic military sim - go play VBS2 and GTFO.

ARMA2 is being sold like a GAME, not a military simulator.

If this game is so ultra realistic why the fuck you can save your game in single player ? Because you should. Because its still a game to enjoy.

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lol I play Arma 2 because its 90% VBS2 and i can't play VBS2 because im not in the Military

And about being able to Save SP is that even valid for what we are talking about?

[herd 69]

Yes I get that this is a game yes. I was simply stating the fact if you compare it to the other games in its genre it is the most realistic and that BI also Developed the VBS2 which much of this game is based on.

And yea' date=' btw, about VBS2. If someon is so pro hardcore realistic military sim - go play VBS2 and GTFO.

ARMA2 is being sold like a GAME, not a military simulator.

If this game is so ultra realistic why the fuck you can save your game in single player ? Because you should. Because its still a game to enjoy.

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lol I play Arma 2 because its 90% VBS2 and i can't play VBS2 because im not in the Military

And about being able to Save SP is that even valid for what we are talking about?

Since you cant save in multiplayer and since its a hardcore mechanic in a sense that you can loose all your progress playing for 5h the game should be less punishing for you mistakes or random noob killing you with 1 shot. Game design 101 right there.

[jakeraddenxl@gmail.com 0]

Random noobs can't kill you with one shot.

Because they can't find weapons.

Or am I wrong that you've said that 5 billion times so far?

Game design itself has very little to do with the way that a mod is created and updated, especially while you're letting people play it as you build it.

[Bal Sofs Tihl 7]

OH please get over it. Just grab a Lee Enfield form a barn. You don't need to take on every zombie in a city.

Hahaha, that's so mean.

[herd 69]

OH please get over it. Just grab a Lee Enfield form a barn. You don't need to take on every zombie in a city.

Hahaha' date=' that's so mean.

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It is. Every barn I was (countless of them, small barns, long barns etc, fire stations) - no weapons. On any server. I am finding 1 weapon maybe in 2h of gameplay only to be killed from the back.

[BwickFS39 9]

Yes I get that this is a game yes. I was simply stating the fact if you compare it to the other games in its genre it is the most realistic and that BI also Developed the VBS2 which much of this game is based on.

And yea' date=' btw, about VBS2. If someon is so pro hardcore realistic military sim - go play VBS2 and GTFO.

ARMA2 is being sold like a GAME, not a military simulator.

If this game is so ultra realistic why the fuck you can save your game in single player ? Because you should. Because its still a game to enjoy.

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lol I play Arma 2 because its 90% VBS2 and i can't play VBS2 because im not in the Military

And about being able to Save SP is that even valid for what we are talking about?

Since you cant save in multiplayer the game should be less punishing for you mistakes or random noob killing you with 1 shoot. Game design 101 right there.

Yes it is game design and its the design the devs wanted so live with it

[herd 69]

Yes it is game design and its the design the devs wanted so live with it

Rocket said he wanted to have player interactions in the game.

Right now everyone's shoots on sight.

Everything working as intended...

[BwickFS39 9]

Yes it is game design and its the design the devs wanted so live with it

Rocket said he wanted to have player interactions in the game.

Right now everyone's shoots on sight.

Everything working as intended...

yes but forcing people to get along wont work either. I has also been proven that in an event like this people with adopt a shoot on sight policy remember Katrina?

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

If someon is so pro hardcore realistic military sim - go play VBS2 and GTFO.

ARMA2 is being sold like a GAME' date=' not a military simulator

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Yeah guys comeon, if we want a %100 fer realz simalator we need to get VBS2, i mean it's only about $2k, shouldn't be a problem for anyone right?

And he's totally right about Arma2, it's being marketed as a GAME guiz! We can't be using it like a simalader! It's gotta have regen heath and be very forgiving so the noobs like OP can playz it too!! Its a GAME!

[wolfstriked 143]

Give us a knife to spawn and make it less powerful than the hatchet.I played last night for 3 hours only to find 2 weapons and never found any ammo.I did find a hatchet and got good at killing with it pretty fast.Funny when a person started making fun of me and I hatched him to death and I hear over the voice channel...he just killed me...HE JUST KILLED ME>lol

[herd 69]

And he's totally right about Arma2' date=' it's being marketed as a GAME guiz! We can't be using it like a simalader! It's gotta have regen heath and be very forgiving so the noobs like OP can playz it too!! Its a GAME!

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This is whats wrong about dayz community. You eithe hardcore pro OR a cod kiddy. So sad. Closeminded sheeps.

[InbredScorpion (DayZ) 1]

Okay, from what I've read from your aforementioned posts, you're personally an arrogant/pretentious twat. So, systematically, let's form a rebuttal!

1. - "How the fuck zombies break you LEGS ? In one hit ? Very realistic."

Okay, this is one of the few points I'd agree with. If someone was attacking me/mostly clawing me, I wouldn't suffer broken legs, esp. after one hit. So, point to you for that. It's annoying, it might be tweaked later, however, complaining about how unrealistic it is, for a game, isn't going to help shit.

2. - "- I cant enter every building? Very realistic."

Okay, go code, texture, design and implement your own game and house model, you little fuck? It's a long and arduous task that can be done, when the developer has the time. If you don't like that the game has limitations, then don't play it, or at least, stop complaining about it. You could realistically rationale that some of the houses are locked/barricaded, and are therefore, not accessible.

3. - I can die and respawn? WHAT ? Very realistic.

It's a game. If perma-death was active per server, I'd have a game where I geographically get 20 lives.

4. - I cant have my main weapon on my back while using melee weapons ? Very realistic.

Okay, this might be true, but guns and hatchets are rather heavy. A counter balance could be that your aim or swing speed is impaired, either way. It's not great, but give Rocket a break. He implemented the melee weapons just about a week ago.

5. - I am bleeding from one hit from the zombie to death ? Very realistic.

If I clawed you, good chance you'd start bleeding. And if I happened to severe your radial, or cartoid artery, you'd bleed out in the space of one minute. So, it's not realistic, but if it was, a lot of people would be dead. Fast.

6. - There are no useable cars in the apocalypse ? Very realistic.

There are cars/boats/helicopters (really one one helicopter actually). However, there is no back story to the game. If the zombie apoc. was caused by nuclear warfare, then the resulting electro-magnetic pulse from the detention from said nuclear weapons, would wipe out almost every single vehicle, and other electronic source. Not realistic, but it's something.

7. - There are no weapons in the whole cherno ? Very realistic.

There are weapons. Look for them. The advice I give to anyone looking for weapons in Cherno or Elektro, is -search the fire station(s)-. General military loot almost always spawns there (assuming it hasn't been looted already, which, is a realistic situation, btw (not the military grade loot in fire stations, the looting))

There are guns in the church, hotels, occasionally the office bulildings, city hall, supermarket. You just have to be patient and loot carefully.

8. - Zombies dont have any loot apart from b beans or coke? Very realistic.

You're right. Zombies shouldn't have any loot. Think about it. Say you become a zombie. What do you have on you? A wallet, phone, watch, the clothes on your back, et cetera? So maybe the rate the watch occurs could increase (despite the already, grossly high rate of spawning). What good is a wallet in the zombie apoc. there is no need for currency, et cetera, nor is your phone (esp. if you conform with my reasoning for limited vehicles.)

9. - I can run for hours w/o being tired? Very realistic.

True. That could be tuned down a little, but still, in the space of 255km^2, it'd be a bit more than annoying to have to take a break every so often, but I'd be cool if that changed, it just mean that I'd have to vary gameplay.

10. - Zombies dont die frmo hunger? Very realistic.

From*. Also. THEY'RE FUCKING ZOMBIES?! What more do you expect? Okay, they can eat each other, they can eat you, you won't die (in real life) of malnutrition for about a week or so. Zombies only have basic functions. And. It's a game.

11. - People shooting everyone on sight? Very realistic.

People shoot each other NOW, due to petty reasons. Religion, resources, personal issues. And you're trying to tell me, a game, that is trying to represent a situation, in which the people are being in a high stress, post apocalyptic, war zone with limited supplies, and no chance of escape off the small island, situation, and people are going to skip around offering each other tea. Okay, there might be a little more mob mentality, that's it. Humans a selfish creatures, who's goal is to get the greatest rewards for the least amount of effort. Shooting people is easy, and taking their stuff is the reward. That's realistic. Live with it.

This is whats wrong about dayz community. You eithe hardcore pro OR a cod kiddy. So sad. Closeminded sheeps.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the DayZ community. It's people like you who want the game to be easier, that are ruining the community. Face it. It's a game, trying to be realistic. Realistically, not every single person on the island is going to have a gun. A gun will save your life and take another. They should be limited, it takes the game from being Call of Duty: Makarov PM Edition, to the survival horror genre.

At first, I found the "no gun on spawn" thing bothersome, but, as long as you play smart, go to one of the major towns, get a gun, and some basic provisions and then run the fuck away from the major towns (only going back, when absolutely necessary), you'll start having fun.

There is no stigma of "hardcore players". I play the game for fun. I just recently teamed up with my friend, and we started working on our "base of operations" with our first camping tent. We've both collectively died, many times, but it's a series of working out what works, and how to approach something. And we're not even hardcore players.

TL;DR: I think you're being a pretentious twat (insert rebuttal). You need to play smarter, be patient, and try and team up.

[Osiris1 0]

No, I don't run into DayZ every day, 7 hours a day. I'm not aware of what town I'm in just by looking at the angular position of the North Star. I've not yet memorized architectural relationship with loot, and I'm such a n00bz0r that I haven't even calculated the approximate distance from my own position to cherno!

LOL I R BAD 4 IT!

Here's the deal: When you spawn without a starting weapon, and you scavenge for one, there's a tendency to be zombies around said areas. When zombies around said areas are very good at detecting less experienced players, it becomes a circular buttfrack to get a weapon, since those weapons are located right next to the zombies you need a weapon to kill.

Don't give me this crap about realism. No civilian already equipped with a large backpack and medical supplies is going into villages without at least a barely loaded pistol. If so, that's a stupid civilian.

There is no realism. It's a zombie game. Unless you pass off the zombies as living people on bath salts, you'll never have me believe realism should be put over practical gameplay.

If starting weapons remain removed, the only way to properly balance it would be to reduce zombies' detection abilities. Well, that and their ability to ninja-run and break my leg/cause me to bleed out from a slap.

Then there's the fact that the moment you are detected you are relentlessly chased for miles until you disconnect, where self-righteous kiddies will permaban you for not wanting to stand still while you are slowly murdered.

[Sarissofoi 40]

Just stop playing an move to another game.

[GretSeat 0]

remove legs braking from zombie attacks

I disagree. Keep the leg breaks, BUT limit them to when you are lower on health. If you are PERFECTLY healthy, I wouldn't want to get a 1 hit from a zombie, only to be swarmed, BUT then again, you should be able to pick them off. What about if they push you over? Huh? I think of leg breaks as zombies knocking you to the ground. Or you twisting your ankle. Then it's more exciting to shoot them off of you when they start running in. Zombies just run too damn fast. They need to run the same speed as survivors. It's lame they they are able to STOP, try to attack, and then DEAD SPRINT (no pun intended) back to full speed and get back to you, enough to stab your back...

- spawn more weapons

BAD idea, This game is supposed to be realistic. I love the fact that you actually have to SEARCH for weapons. Makes it feel like you're actually SURVIVING instead of just collecting weapons. I love the fact that I have to venture city to city to find just ONE gun. A: maybe someone looted the place already, or B: who the fuck just has guns lying around? I believe Military Barracks and Triage tents SHOULD have weapons though, I mean, it IS the military...

- make more loot places i.e. in front of every building

Agreed. I walk into a building and can almost just LOOK at the areas I know will have loot and if I don't see any I leave, if anything mix up the loot areas (by broken down cars, dead NPCs, etc)

- Players should not die from 1-2 bullets

Players SHOULD die from 1-2 bullets, it's a REALISTIC game. you WOULD die from 1-2 bullets. Just either A: keep your eyes open better, B: find team mates or C: suck it up and respawn.

- Zombies should stop following you after some time

Disagreed, zombies are mindless killing machines and want to EAT YOU. They will do ANYTHING to get their meal. Just break their line of sight, it's not that hard. I mean yes with them glitching through walls, and having hearing like a hawk, it's fucked, but once it's fixed, you should just be able to run around a building to lose them.

Just my two cents.

[Ag3nt Richt3r 19]

I have been following this thread for a day or two and it just occured to me that it's lacking in something....

Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

-Cave Johnson

It's REALLY not that hard to find a gun guys n gals. You need to adjust your play style. This is not your everyday FPS, and it's not ArmA II CooP Domination. If anyone reads this and actually WANTS to learn how to play this game properly, or just needs help. Send me a PM, add me on Steam - FedEx Ninja. I have a TS3 server and would be glad to meet up with you later this evening and show you a thing or two about a thing or two.

[wolfstriked 143]

But what do you do when every video of DAYZ you watch and the person runs into loot after loot of weapons and ammo etc yet when you play all you find is cans cans CANS?? I am in such a remote area with no one around but me and the infected.,

[sqpantz 0]

Strange' date=' I'm finding lots of weapons in barns, usually at least 1 gun, and in one crazy barn I found about 6 primary guns!

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I'm finding 4 or five hatchets in every barn I go into...

[GretSeat 0]

Strange' date=' I'm finding lots of weapons in barns, usually at least 1 gun, and in one crazy barn I found about 6 primary guns!

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I'm finding 4 or five hatchets in every barn I go into...

THIS is realism at it's finest. Barns should have hatchets in them. Farm Houses that you can ENTER should have the weapons, not the barn...

[sqpantz 0]

THIS is realism at it's finest. Barns should have hatchets in them. Farm Houses that you can ENTER should have the weapons' date=' not the barn...

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Or maybe it's just my shitty loot spawn luck. Where I used to find at least a rifle + ammo and/or a crossbow when looting a barn, now I'm regularly finding four or five axes, tin cans and flares. :(