The Mosin can't hit properly at a steep elevation?

[crazyandlazy 376]

I had geared up to kill spawn campers. I trekked a long way back to the east coast and saw two spawn campers near Kmyshovo just firing away like there is no tomorrow. I manage to kill one and tried to kill another but the second bullet hits the ground even though I had it straight at the dude in the middle of the neck. I immediately went on higher ground with a steep slope to get the upper hand.

 

I did have the upper hand but none of my shots landed on the guy so it was basically useless. Mind you I have no trouble killing people up to 400 zeroing but for some reason my bullets won't work on the high slope. It keeps hitting the ground as if there is an invisible magnet stuck on the ground.

 

tl;dr = If the slope is too steep, your shots won't go properly

 

EDIT: Mind the backpack. My main goal was to kill spawn campers so I rushed back as soon as I had a pack of ammo for my mosin.

EDIT 2: I found that I am not the only one. http://feedback.dayzgame.com/view.php?id=5881 . Guess I got killed due to a bug. Alpha yo, At least I know now to avoid steep hills.

EDIT 3: After reading all mosin related bugs, I have found that crouch position has no bugs. Therefore, if you can take the time to make the shot, please crouch or your bullet will hit the ground.

EDIT 4I 've been testing the steepness of the hills and saw the glitch. Apparently, my screen showed that my character went under the hill for a split 2 seconds. So, in conclusion, your gun gets covered by that invinsible steep hill part. Not due to grass is confirmed since I can shoot easy at a leveled plane. 

 

Edited January 11, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[fig0451 85]

I'm going with that redchain on the screen. That means you're lagging like crazy.

[Gandolaf 81]

I think it is a confirmed bug for the mosin.

 

Also you game looks terrible.That's all.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Gandolaf

[crazyandlazy 376]

I'm going with that redchain on the screen. That means you're lagging like crazy.

 

No. I had a 5 min dual with the friend of the dead guy. I tried changing positions and it did not work. I got killed cause I ran out of ammo changing positions.

 

 

I think it is a confirmed bug for the mosin.

 

Also you game looks terrible.That's all.

 

Yup. I prefer highest FPS. Once you get used to the glamour, you just want to survive longer. At least for me.

Edited January 10, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[Feralfox 12]

You know how to change the drop on your mosin right? Press Pgup and Pgdn and the meters your rifle will shoot before the bullet drops raises or lowers by 100 meters. You can see how many meters in the top right hand corner when your mosin in out. The default is 200 I believe for the mosin.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Feralfox

[Tizzle 90]

I've had some experience using the mosin from high elevations. Not quite as steep as the one in your picture, but i'm yet to run into similar problems

Edited January 10, 2014 by Tizzle

[Gandolaf 81]

You know how to change the drop on your mosin right? Press Pgup and Pgdn and the meters your rifle will shoot before the bullet drops raises or lowers by 100 meters. You can see how many meters in the top right hand corner when your mosin in out. The default is 200 I believe for the mosin.

I fi understand how zeroing works correctly he had 400 meters,so the bullet would be on top of the crosshair,not below.But i am no expert.

[crazyandlazy 376]

You know how to change the drop on your mosin right? Press Pgup and Pgdn and the meters your rifle will shoot before the bullet drops raises or lowers by 100 meters. You can see how many meters in the top right hand corner when your mosin in out. The default is 200 I believe for the mosin.

 

I know how to zero. Please read the whole post.

 

 

I've had some experience using the mosin from high elevations. Not quite as steep as the one in your picture, but i'm yet to run into similar problems

 

Thanks for the input. I think we can deduce that this is due to the steepness of the hill. It was pretty steep. 

 

 

 

 

Anyhow guys, just wanted share my info with fellow mosin friends. 

Edited January 10, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[Dchil 829]

The angled distance down the hill may be much larger than the distance you see on the map, try upping your zero a 100m or more next time this happens.

[crazyandlazy 376]

The angled distance down the hill may be much larger than the distance you see on the map, try upping your zero a 100m or more next time this happens.

 

I tried both 50 and 100. It did not work. The fight lasted 5 minutes. If it had not been for the trees I would've died way sooner cause of the bug.

[alphapan 1]

awesome edits. worked for me

[crazyandlazy 376]

awesome edits. worked for me

 

Thanks. I like to keeping giving something back cause these forums helped me when I first got the game :]

[crazyandlazy 376]

http://feedback.dayzgame.com/view.php?id=6202

 

 

 

More info.

[Rissou 42]

Man.. these answers people give you rofl...

 

This problem do not only effect mosin, it effect all guns. It is the invisible wall on some hills that prevent your bullets to reach your target. Why is there invisible objects? no fucking idea.

[frosti 2165]

Man.. these answers people give you rofl...

 

This problem do not only effect mosin, it effect all guns. It is the invisible wall on some hills that prevent your bullets to reach your target. Why is there invisible objects? no fucking idea.

 

Maybe to stop zombies going underground.

[crazyandlazy 376]

Man.. these answers people give you rofl...

 

This problem do not only effect mosin, it effect all guns. It is the invisible wall on some hills that prevent your bullets to reach your target. Why is there invisible objects? no fucking idea.

 

Yeah I am reading all bugs under Weapon category. All weapons suffer from the same bug.

[Kalvarin 2]

Yeah I am reading all bugs under Weapon category. All weapons suffer from the same bug.

 

This isn't a bug, it's just the effect of gravity on the bullet when shooting at a downwards angle. If your weapon is zeroed to hit targets at 100m on the flat, then it will fall short of targets at 100m range when firing downhill. To compensate for this you will need to up the zeroing. That's all :)

 

I calculated it to check, but can't be bothered posting it all unless required.

[volano 8]

bullshit. sorry

 

some of the geometry is bugged - some grass objects have much bigger hit box than they should have

 

you will hit them no matter what your zeroing or weapon as if there was an invisible wall in front of you

 

and that happened to me standing up and shooting in a straight line

 

only in forests btw.

Edited January 11, 2014 by volano

[flyingspatula 6]

bullshit. sorry

 

some of the geometry is bugged - some grass objects have much bigger hit box than they should have

 

you will hit them no matter what your zeroing or weapon as if there was an invisible wall in front of you

 

and that happened to me standing up and shooting in a straight line

 

only in forests btw.

This is exactly the issue. I think there is also a problem with invisible parts of trees still having collision where nonexistent branches would be. For example, a floating but stationary leaf that seems unattached to any tree will stop a bullet.

[crazyandlazy 376]

bullshit. sorry

 

some of the geometry is bugged - some grass objects have much bigger hit box than they should have

 

you will hit them no matter what your zeroing or weapon as if there was an invisible wall in front of you

 

and that happened to me standing up and shooting in a straight line

 

only in forests btw.

 

Were you on a horizontal plane or a steep one? I just want to find out for sure. 

 

 

 

This isn't a bug, it's just the effect of gravity on the bullet when shooting at a downwards angle. If your weapon is zeroed to hit targets at 100m on the flat, then it will fall short of targets at 100m range when firing downhill. To compensate for this you will need to up the zeroing. That's all :)

 

I calculated it to check, but can't be bothered posting it all unless required.

 

lol I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about :]

[Kalvarin 2]

Were you on a horizontal plane or a steep one? I just want to find out for sure. 

 

 

 

 

lol I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about :]

 

Why's that? :) Is it perhaps that you just looked very silly not understanding projectiles when firing from on top of a hill? :P You certainly would of missed those shots in real life if you did not account for your elevation.

 

If you have an issue with what I just said, I will assume you are saying the ARMA physics engine is unable to calculate realistic ballistics *shrugs*. Is that what you are saying?

[crazyandlazy 376]

Why's that? :) Is it perhaps that you just looked very silly not understanding projectiles when firing from on top of a hill? :P You certainly would of missed those shots in real life if you did not account for your elevation.

 

If you have an issue with what I just said, I will assume you are saying the ARMA physics engine is unable to calculate realistic ballistics *shrugs*. Is that what you are saying?

 

lol you have absolutely no clue. Do you even own the Standalone?

 

 

btw guys I found out the reason. I've been testing the steepness of the hills and saw the glitch. Apparently, my screen showed that my character went under the hill for a split 2 seconds. So, in conclusion, your gun gets covered by that invinsible steep hill part. Not due to grass is confirmed since I can shoot easy at a leveled plane. 

[Arty (DayZ) 47]

Mosin is probably the most bugged item in game currently. Its aim is all massed. I tried all sorts of damaged and none damaged scopes and using a bipod to see if I can hit center - I tested this on a high elevated position shooting down at zombies/buildings - but every time the bullet shifts a bit left, off center. As if there there is wind and the bullet drifts a bit to the side. 

 

Maybe the gun is bugged, maybe there will be windage and elevation system in the game. Maybe it's in but not tuned. I don't know. Just feels that way. 

[Etherimp 1323]

Why's that? :) Is it perhaps that you just looked very silly not understanding projectiles when firing from on top of a hill? :P You certainly would of missed those shots in real life if you did not account for your elevation.

 

If you have an issue with what I just said, I will assume you are saying the ARMA physics engine is unable to calculate realistic ballistics *shrugs*. Is that what you are saying?

 

 

The OP is correct, and you are wrong.. and yet you're being confrontational and acting like a "know it all".

 

50 bucks says you've never even fired a gun IRL.

 

 

I have experienced a similar issue where I was laying prone on a hill over-looking a town, and my M4 fired shots directly into the hill 1 inch infront of the barrel of the gun. In other words, the gun was "looking" into an object that was not visibly there. Originally I thought this was possibly due to my zeroing, but I adjusted it up and down, and the same result occurred.

 

Get your facts straight before correcting someone, or you just look "VERY SILLY".

[Kalvarin 2]

lol you have absolutely no clue. Do you even own the Standalone?

 

 

btw guys I found out the reason. I've been testing the steepness of the hills and saw the glitch. Apparently, my screen showed that my character went under the hill for a split 2 seconds. So, in conclusion, your gun gets covered by that invinsible steep hill part. Not due to grass is confirmed since I can shoot easy at a leveled plane. 

 

What are you on about? :P Your original post was about your shots falling short of the target when shooting from an elevated position. Where did this "shooting into the scenery" come from?

 

Regardless, my initial post still stands, even without glitching scenery etc, a zeroing of 100m will not hit a target 100m downhill, the bullets will fall short. You need to increase your zeroing to account for that.