psychological effects of banditry

[davek1979 8]

So I'm scavenging for food, water etc. I'm just trying to survive. What are you doing scavenging in MY area? Why are you here? You're stealing from me! I must defend myself!

I'm honestly so decked out at this point, that I go on loot runs just to take good items and dump them in the middle of a field or in a bush in the woods to keep them out of the hands of others. I go so far as to steal the optics from every m4 I find and leave it lying in the middle of the woods. Remember, the bullet you leave behind will be the one that kills you.

I kinda hope I will meet you ingame one day.

[lipemr 160]

So I'm scavenging for food, water etc.  I'm just trying to survive.  What are you doing scavenging in MY area?  Why are you here?  You're stealing from me!  I must defend myself!

 

I'm honestly so decked out at this point, that I go on loot runs just to take good items and dump them in the middle of a field or in a bush in the woods to keep them out of the hands of others.  I go so far as to steal the optics from every m4 I find and leave it lying in the middle of the woods.  Remember, the bullet you leave behind will be the one that kills you.

defend from what? if food and water were more scarce you could say that, but that's no argument, most people just kill other people for the sake of it, to prove to themselves that they're better than someone else, the classic "my e-penis is bigger than yours" mentality that we see in CoD.

[derpdiggler 69]

I kinda hope I will meet you ingame one day.

 

Me too, but I hope I see you first.

 

defend from what? if food and water were more scarce you could say that, but that's no argument, most people just kill other people for the sake of it, to prove to themselves that they're better than someone else, the classic "my e-penis is bigger than yours" mentality that we see in CoD.

Defense from the intentions of others.  Case in point, I had died from falling from a ladder (YAY!), and I rallied with my friend at Balota out of convenience.  I was trying to swap pants in a tent, when suddenly I'm bleeding and before I could react I was dead.  I was on voice with my friend and he went to check it out.  Right before he shot the guy that was still picking my corpse clean, the guy said, "Hey bro!  Not cool."  Keep in mind this was the same guy that just axed me in the head.  I learned many lessons from that experience.

 

 

My friend and I were once at the tower in Balota camping people looting the airfield.  We saw 4 bambis running for us yelling, "Friendlies!".  We shot at them, of course, because trust.  One of them got away.  Less than 5 minutes later, the one that got away was trying to stab my friend in the back with a screwdriver.  The moral of the story is that everyone is a threat.  If they're not a threat now, then they will be eventually.

 

I was once on a tower in Gorka and saw two people moving past.  They obviously didn't notice me, and they were moving away from where my friend and I were headed so I let them go.  I regret it everyday.

[davek1979 8]

Me too, but I hope I see you first.

 

Defense from the intentions of others.  Case in point, I had died from falling from a ladder (YAY!), and I rallied with my friend at Balota out of convenience.  I was trying to swap pants in a tent, when suddenly I'm bleeding and before I could react I was dead.  I was on voice with my friend and he went to check it out.  Right before he shot the guy that was still picking my corpse clean, the guy said, "Hey bro!  Not cool."  Keep in mind this was the same guy that just axed me in the head.  I learned many lessons from that experience.

 

 

My friend and I were once at the tower in Balota camping people looting the airfield.  We saw 4 bambis running for us yelling, "Friendlies!".  We shot at them, of course, because trust.  One of them got away.  Less than 5 minutes later, the one that got away was trying to stab my friend in the back with a screwdriver.  The moral of the story is that everyone is a threat.  If they're not a threat now, then they will be eventually.

 

I was once on a tower in Gorka and saw two people moving past.  They obviously didn't notice me, and they were moving away from where my friend and I were headed so I let them go.  I regret it everyday.

That kind of attitude is why DayZ Standalone's community sucks donkey balls right now. So you shoot bambis and bitch about being stabbed in the back by one of them ? What should they do ? Give you a medal for killing their friends for lulz ? Trust is an issue ? Why not be cool and tell them to back off instead of shooting them and get the hell out of there so they get their share of loot as well ?

Guess you need to go back to CoD for the better of this game.

Edited January 2, 2014 by davek1979

[lipemr 160]

Me too, but I hope I see you first.

 

Defense from the intentions of others.  Case in point, I had died from falling from a ladder (YAY!), and I rallied with my friend at Balota out of convenience.  I was trying to swap pants in a tent, when suddenly I'm bleeding and before I could react I was dead.  I was on voice with my friend and he went to check it out.  Right before he shot the guy that was still picking my corpse clean, the guy said, "Hey bro!  Not cool."  Keep in mind this was the same guy that just axed me in the head.  I learned many lessons from that experience.

 

 

My friend and I were once at the tower in Balota camping people looting the airfield.  We saw 4 bambis running for us yelling, "Friendlies!".  We shot at them, of course, because trust.  One of them got away.  Less than 5 minutes later, the one that got away was trying to stab my friend in the back with a screwdriver.  The moral of the story is that everyone is a threat.  If they're not a threat now, then they will be eventually.

 

I was once on a tower in Gorka and saw two people moving past.  They obviously didn't notice me, and they were moving away from where my friend and I were headed so I let them go.  I regret it everyday.

 

and you know that this attitude is caused by the vicious cycle that you started right? Everybody kills on sight because everybody kills on sight, the only way to stop this cycle is to implement some downside to someone that kills people just cause "everybody kills people".

 

And whenever something like that is suggested, it is mocked to death by everybody.

[derpdiggler 69]

Guess you need to go back to CoD for the better of this game.

I hate CoD.  I prefer objective based games.  My DayZ is about controlling supplies.  I have plenty, and I deny everyone else.  It's entertaining.

 

Your reading ability seems to be lacking though.  I never once complained about the guy trying to stab my friend.  In fact, we had a good laugh after we shot him.  It's part of the game.  

 

Why don't you tell me how I should play?  I'll list my loadout, and you suggest what I do with it.  Everything is pristine.

 

M4- MP Handguard/Stock, ACOG, 60rd mag, Bipod, Silencer (It looks nice.)

3 ammo cans full of 556 and 4 other 60rd mags with ammo

TTSKO shirt/pants

UK Assault Vest DPM

Jungle Boots

Kevlar Helm

Mask/shades

Medkit

Stack of rags

A few pairs of handcuffs

Food and Water supplies to last an eternity

 

Why don't you tell me how I should be playing with that?  I mean, the running around ahead of groups, looting, and dumping the stuff in the middle of nowhere is entertaining, but it's not nearly as visceral as shooting them.

[OMGitsSexyChase 41]

True, and a play style that is necessary to the game as a whole experience.

if its necessary, I should get a medal, I've been doing more than my part

[lipemr 160]

I hate CoD.  I prefer objective based games.  My DayZ is about controlling supplies.  I have plenty, and I deny everyone else.  It's entertaining.

 

Your reading ability seems to be lacking though.  I never once complained about the guy trying to stab my friend.  In fact, we had a good laugh after we shot him.  It's part of the game.  

 

Why don't you tell me how I should play?  I'll list my loadout, and you suggest what I do with it.  Everything is pristine.

 

M4- MP Handguard/Stock, ACOG, 60rd mag, Bipod, Silencer (It looks nice.)

3 ammo cans full of 556 and 4 other 60rd mags with ammo

TTSKO shirt/pants

UK Assault Vest DPM

Jungle Boots

Kevlar Helm

Mask/shades

Medkit

Stack of rags

A few pairs of handcuffs

Food and Water supplies to last an eternity

 

Why don't you tell me how I should be playing with that?  I mean, the running around ahead of groups, looting, and dumping the stuff in the middle of nowhere is entertaining, but it's not nearly as visceral as shooting them.

 

 

so you're basically a dick that wants to ruin everyone else's game, right?

 

people like you should be permabanned.

 

And to make it worse, you're fucking up the alpha testing process, making impossible to people test most of the bugs, as they're too busy trying to find the supplies you dicks threw in whatever corner just for the sake of it.

Edited January 2, 2014 by lipemr

[derpdiggler 69]

so you're basically a dick that wants to ruin everyone else's game, right?

 

people like you should be permabanned.

Instead of namecalling, why don't you make a suggestion as to how I should be playing instead?  I get the feeling you've never been off the coast.

[lipemr 160]

Instead of namecalling, why don't you make a suggestion as to how I should be playing instead?  I get the feeling you've never been off the coast.

 

For now, you shouldnt be playing at all, you should be finding bugs to report and make the alpha better. When the game have more features, then you should be playing.

 

But seems that you're the kind of person that just gets joy by fucking up other person's day. Congrats mate, you're a dick, just like that.

[derpdiggler 69]

And to make it worse, you're fucking up the alpha testing process, making impossible to people test most of the bugs, as they're too busy trying to find the supplies you dicks threw in whatever corner just for the sake of it.

Post editing after being replied?  For real?

 

Anyway, it's not hard at all to find plenty of supplies.  If you're looking for supplies on the coast, then you're wasting time.  The coast is like a giant noobtrap that is there so experienced players can harvest batteries.

[derpdiggler 69]

For now, you shouldnt be playing at all, you should be finding bugs to report and make the alpha better. When the game have more features, then you should be playing.

 

But seems that you're the kind of person that just gets joy by fucking up other person's day. Congrats mate, you're a dick, just like that.

I do find bugs.  I've lost a full kit from falling from a ladder and falling through the floor leaving Devil's Castle.

 

As far as the "playing" things go, you do realize that we've payed for the alpha, right?  Like, this isn't a free alpha.  Keep up the namecalling though.  It adds validity to your argument and makes you seem more intelligent.

[wolfsburg62 66]

Unnecessary and backwards. Blurred vision hardly relates to killing people. If anything you'd be sharper and more keen from being on your toes so long, jumping at every sound and such. IF you want to add some stupid mechanic like that I would say add phantom sounds to make the player jumpy. Also not to mention some people are just phycos and wont be effected by guilt. This is an unnecessary mechanic. But phantom sounds? Much better.   

[Zogvarn 118]

For that war vet there, you're only right if you killed a bunch of inoccent civilians when you were deployed on wherever you were, and you wouldnt feel guilty for that.

No, I didn't commit any war crimes, but thanks for implying I did. Real class there.

 

People in this game are a threat no matter if they are armed or not. Doesn't matter if they say friendly or sing my little pony songs while crawling on there bellies towards me. Everyone is a threat. I've had an unarmed guy that I was bandaging attack me. He died. Another I was dropping food on the ground for ran at me with an axe drawn from 20m away. He died too. In both instances, I told them I wanted to help them and put my M4 away before approaching them. These are just two instances out of many that happened to me in the first couple days of the SA while I was trying to help new players. It reinforced something I had forgotten from the mod, "Trust no one unless they are on comms with me. Everyone can be a threat in one form or another."

 

I am bringing this up in a discussion about psychological punishment for players killing other players due to the fact that defending oneself and one's group comes paramount to the survival of others. Since they are a threat, by your own logic, I shouldn't feel any remorse because they are attacking me either directly or indirectly through taking limited resources. Hence there would be no psychological repercussions. 

 

I wasn't angry at those players I was trying to help for trying to kill me. Hell I usually laughed about it. I probably would have done a similar thing in their situation. I'm basically a walking loot pinata and have been since my second day playing. The resources I carry on my person is enough to outfit two people pretty decently. In an apocalyptic scenario, people will do everything they can to survive and it will be justified to them. Some people just have a more complex system of determining a threat when looking at a situation than what is shown on the surface.

[lipemr 160]

No, I didn't commit any war crimes, but thanks for implying I did. Real class there.

 

People in this game are a threat no matter if they are armed or not. Doesn't matter if they say friendly or sing my little pony songs while crawling on there bellies towards me. Everyone is a threat. I've had an unarmed guy that I was bandaging attack me. He died. Another I was dropping food on the ground for ran at me with an axe drawn from 20m away. He died too. In both instances, I told them I wanted to help them and put my M4 away before approaching them. These are just two instances out of many that happened to me in the first couple days of the SA while I was trying to help new players. It reinforced something I had forgotten from the mod, "Trust no one unless they are on comms with me. Everyone can be a threat in one form or another."

 

I am bringing this up in a discussion about psychological punishment for players killing other players due to the fact that defending oneself and one's group comes paramount to the survival of others. Since they are a threat, by your own logic, I shouldn't feel any remorse because they are attacking me either directly or indirectly through taking limited resources. Hence there would be no psychological repercussions. 

 

I wasn't angry at those players I was trying to help for trying to kill me. Hell I usually laughed about it. I probably would have done a similar thing in their situation. I'm basically a walking loot pinata and have been since my second day playing. The resources I carry on my person is enough to outfit two people pretty decently. In an apocalyptic scenario, people will do everything they can to survive and it will be justified to them. Some people just have a more complex system of determining a threat when looking at a situation than what is shown on the surface.

then that civillians where you were deployed should be killed too? they could just pick up a gun and shoot you, couldnt them?

[derpdiggler 69]

then that civillians where you were deployed should be killed too? they could just pick up a gun and shoot you, couldnt them?

They could be killed, but there would be consequences from the UCMJ. There's no UCMJ in Chernarus. The rules of engagement say KOS.

 

[Gerandar 212]

then that civillians where you were deployed should be killed too? they could just pick up a gun and shoot you, couldnt them?

 

Yeah they could and he could shoot them but then he would have to answer for a crime, in dayz there is no goverment or law force so if it were real I could shoot a baby and no one could stop me, am I a monster for killing a baby? yes of course I am but I'm sure I've made terms with my baby bloodlust and thus the idea of these effects are stupid.

[SpetsnazGRU (DayZ) 9]

The jimmies have officially been rustled. lmao.  

[derpdiggler 69]

The jimmies have officially been rustled. lmao.