Why do people think there would be more civilian weapons than military?

[King of kong 1117]

Ive would like more hunting type of weapons, Feels like them should be more common in a poor ex soviet state 

It's not very poor ;). It's got running water, electricity, a strong government, good political and humanitarian freedoms, and a strong Army. it's a mis-conception that Chernarus is a third wold shit hole

[Jaygoon 240]

The op is right, cos we all got Ak-47's under our beds, and Rocket launchers in our bin cupboards, and also theres that old sherman tank i got under wrap in my back yard :)

 

Cmon own up people, we all got military grade weaponry stored away in our houses :)

 

lol

Edited December 29, 2013 by Jaygoon

[louist 163]

In a city like SF... Sure. It's a huge city! In europe, AND in the US you can travel for miles, only to find a small (3k) town every 30 miles. Think Idaho or Montana. That kind of environement.... Plenty of gun nuts, many civilian weapons, some full auto police stuff, but no millitary bases.

Trust me, where DayZ takes place, there should only be one millitary loot spawn, and that is cherno. I don't mind the extra millitary spawns, but they are not "realistic".

I have to point out, though, that there are at least 8 active military bases in Montana, and they're larger and better stocked than anything in Chernarus.

Given the military buildings and tents seen in Chernarus, I would be surprised if there were quarters for more than a few hundred troops in Chernarus.

Edited December 29, 2013 by louist

[Private Evans 1303]

Actually it's advertised as 230sqm.  But, what we have are a pistol, a mosin, which makes sense and a M4A1 which makes absolutely no sense.  There's no in-between.  That's it for now. 

 

I definitely think the M4A1 needs to be removed and replaced with AK47s quite obviously.  There are many other Russian/Soviet weapons that would make sense to be added to DayZ SA.

 

 

Beside the fact that the Ak is confirmed for SA..did you know that different forces of Poland, Czech Republic and Georgia are using the M4 riffles ? However I also think that russian guns should be more common than western guns but eastern europe states forces  using Nato weapons is absolutely realistic...especially if they are allies 

[gibonez 3633]

Beside the fact that the Ak is confirmed for SA..did you know that different forces of Poland, Czech Republic and Georgia are using the M4 riffles ? However I also think that russian guns should be more common than western guns but eastern europe states forces  using Nato weapons is absolutely realistic...especially if they are allies 

 

Sure but in numbers that are almost negligible.

[ninjacalypse 551]

Beside the fact that the Ak is confirmed for SA..did you know that different forces of Poland, Czech Republic and Georgia are using the M4 riffles ? However I also think that russian guns should be more common than western guns but eastern europe states forces  using Nato weapons is absolutely realistic...especially if they are allies 

 

Sure but in numbers that are almost negligible.

 

Yeah, there's that like gibonez said but also look at the setting of Chernarus itself.  Chernarus in no way screams modern day.  It doesn't even scream 1990.

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

Love how this thread is about weapons but none really says anything about this being an alpha.

 

Now lets mention Fix Zombies and see what happens.

 

The topic isn't the current state of weapons, it's for the future and discussing the quantity of certain types of weapons and what those weapons are. You'd rather every thread be bombarded with "Alpha" replies? Good to know.

[captainvette2112 84]

 

 

In european countries it is a bit harder to buy military weapons. 

We have more sports weapon here than military equipment.

 

I dont understand why you think that everyone owns an assault rifle...

You also wont find many .22 weapons here.

 

Yes, the AK47 is one if not THE most produced assault rifle in the world, but they combine in armed forces or militant organisation.

 

Also, what most people mean with more "civilian" weapons is the reduced amount of high power military rifles suchs as those AS50, M240, M60, MG3 etc pp.

They are clearly overpowered for such a game and its also really unrealistic that civilian survivors can handle those weapons so easily. 

(AS50 kills from 1.000 meters while crouching...)

 

/edit

 

also, if people get evacuated due to the apocalypse, i would be useful to take your weapons with you. a family that ran away from the happening in safer areas probably would take their stuff with them

 

 

You are missing the point yet making it for me at the same time.

 

I dont think everyone in Eastern Europe owns an assault rifle... however I do know that the Russian military has vast amounts of them along with other gear.  

 

What I am saying is:  given the number of military bases in a 140 sq mile map it is conceivable that there would be a metric shit ton of military gear everywhere you go... also as you and others have pointed out in this thread Europe has much stricter civilian weapon regulations than America.

 

SO taking both of those things into account it seems to me that there would be more military weapons in the map than civilian 

Edited December 29, 2013 by captainvette2112

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

Chernarus=/=Russia

Chernarus military=/=Russian military

 

Judging by the buildings, tech, and infrastructure, I'd wager Chernarus is poor enough as it is and doesn't have a large fighting force.

[dougan25 34]

If you're talking about realism, what's the first thing you'd do in a zombie apocalypse?  I'd go buy a gun.  I would think the number of civilian-owned weaponry would skyrocket overnight.

[captainvette2112 84]

Chernarus=/=Russia

Chernarus military=/=Russian military

 

Judging by the buildings, tech, and infrastructure, I'd wager Chernarus is poor enough as it is and doesn't have a large fighting force.

 

That doesnt really matter.  Russia sends AK's everywhere.  In the poorest of African countries AK;s are so plentiful and cheap that you could get one for the recycle value of a soda can.

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

That doesnt really matter.  Russia sends AK's everywhere.  In the poorest of African countries AK;s are so plentiful and cheap that you could get one for the recycle value of a soda can.

 

I won't deny the prominence of the AK, but I feel you're exaggerating how much a place like Chernarus would have. It does matter. Russia would have an ample amount of AKs and AK parts. Chernarus is a post-soviet country that, to me, looks like it has financial issues. Their largest military base has maybe enough space to hold 100 guys. That's being generous.

I doubt AKs would be left behind, just like every cupboard in a house doesn't have food for us all to eat and clothes aren't as abundant as you'd expect either.

People evidently got out, took some crap with them, and we're living off the scraps.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Let me clarify. I'm not against AKs being in the game, in fact I want them and expect them to be. But for them to be more prominent than civilian weapons, legal or illegal? I highly doubt that.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Diggydug

[weparo 613]

I have to point out, though, that there are at least 8 active military bases in Montana, and they're larger and better stocked than anything in Chernarus.

Given the military buildings and tents seen in Chernarus, I would be surprised if there were quarters for more than a few hundred troops in Chernarus.

 

Now compare the size of montana to chernaurus. Then guesstimate the odds that one of these bases is in that area. I'm just against having too much millitary loot from a gameplay perspective and I wanted to counter the arguments of "Hurr Durr, there have to be millitary bases." Not in a tiny chunk of a 3rd world country that is almost unpopulated.

[weparo 613]

You are missing the point yet making it for me at the same time.

 

I dont think everyone in Eastern Europe owns an assault rifle... however I do know that the Russian military has vast amounts of them along with other gear.  

 

What I am saying is:  given the number of military bases in a 140 sq mile map it is conceivable that there would be a metric shit ton of military gear everywhere you go... also as you and others have pointed out in this thread Europe has much stricter civilian weapon regulations than America.

 

SO taking both of those things into account it seems to me that there would be more military weapons in the map than civilian 

 

Both statements are wrong.

 

#1 If you divide the populated surface of the world in 140 sq parcells, the odds of one parcell containing a millitary installation, or even an assault rifle are 1/500.

 

#2 There are more civilian guns in Europe than in the US.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Weparo

[captainvette2112 84]

Both statements are wrong.

 

#1 If you divide the populated surface of the world in 140 sq parcells, the odds of one parcell containing a millitary installation, or even an assault rifle are 1/500.

 

#2 There are more civilian guns in Europe than in the US.

 

And yet there are 5 military installations within the 140 sq miles of this game map... so again WTF are you talking about?

 

The current map is 140 square miles... within the current map there are 5 military installations.  I dont care about the world... I am talking about THIS CURRENT MAP.  What is so hard to understand about that? I didnt make the map... dont bitch at me about it.   I am dealing with the realities of this map not how it should have been or could have been or would have been in real life or how you wish it was.

 

There is no official back story to this game and all I am saying is that in an area 1/2 the size of San Francisco there are 5 military installations.  That is A LOT!!!    To say there wouldn't be a lot of military equipment around given the number of bases in that small of an area is just dumb.

 

#2.  You are smoking crack.   From Wiki. 

 

"The United States owns more guns per resident, at around 0.89, than any other nation in the world. The U.S. has over 50% more firearms per capita than the next two highest nations, Serbia and Yemen at about 0.55 and three times as many as major European countries such as France and Germany.

 

[jaginun 87]

I think there is a conflict between people arguing the average amount of weapons should be based on either the amount of military buildup for such a small area or the average based on similar Ex-USSR countries. For gameplay purposes, I hope it's the latter, but I do understand where people arguing for the former are coming from.

[Mazzar 231]

1. This is outskirts village, i doubt the russia ratio of gun owners apply. more forests, more guns.

2. Guns are plentiful in the village, the stats do not matter since each household there usually has many people living together, if you had stats per household in rural soviet areas, that would make it much clearer

 

Slavic communities have a chance to show up any kinds of weapons, really.

 

Source: im a slavic

[weparo 613]

And yet there are 5 military installations within the 140 sq miles of this game map... so again WTF are you talking about?

 

The current map is 140 square miles... within the current map there are 5 military installations.  I dont care about the world... I am talking about THIS CURRENT MAP.  What is so hard to understand about that? I didnt make the map... dont bitch at me about it.   I am dealing with the realities of this map not how it should have been or could have been or would have been in real life or how you wish it was.

 

There is no official back story to this game and all I am saying is that in an area 1/2 the size of San Francisco there are 5 military installations.  That is A LOT!!!    To say there wouldn't be a lot of military equipment around given the number of bases in that small of an area is just dumb.

 

#2.  You are smoking crack.   From Wiki. 

 

Not crack, but that's a different story. Let me explain to you how that works though. The US has more (civilian) weapons PER PERSON. But Europe and russia combined have 739 + 143 Million inhabitants. That's 882 Million people. If I add the other post soviet states I get close to 1 billion people. Whereas the us has "only" 317 million inhabitants. That's why you have more guns than in the US.

 

I was not aware that you were referring to the accutal map. Yet I have to say that the "original" map didn't have any millitary bases, unless you count the tents at cherno. I don't think that adding more millitary bases was a good idea, but that's just me talking. Oh, and also, I was not aware that there are 5 millitary bases. I thought there were only 2, the one by balota and the one west of pustoshka.

 

It should be considered to nerf the bases and the millitary loot, I hope this still happens before we enter the beta.

[Rocksteady (DayZ) 0]

Most of the worlds population has been killed in the current Dayz timeline so its safe to assume a long time has passed since the initial outbreak if the worlds armed forces have been overrun, governments fallen etc.

 

So it's completely implausible to find military grade weapons & gear in any area where it was originally stored in a situation like this and even if it was plausible, the ammo would be extremely rare and all but used up after defending against the initial outbreak that probably lasted several months to years.You would never find an assault rifle and abundant ammo so far into an apocalypse, not in a million years. Every single gun and piece of ammo would have been found and put to use by someone in the first month and nobody would have still been going to work to make more, people tend to go home and try survive when the apocalypse starts.

 

Rarer weapons and weapons in general should be found in much less obvious locations such as in peoples homes where they were held up defending but eventually died to zeds, hunger or infection. No weapons should just be laying around in barracks or office buildings. They should only be found on or near the corpses of dead soldiers and civilians at random locations all over the map. Same should apply to food and other essential items, it should all be found among the dead who first looted it all when the shit hit the fan.

[Mazzar 231]

Military bases are hotspots to get shot in the face. It balances out. If you stop server hoping, military bases will be hard to get into.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Military bases are hotspots to get shot in the face. It balances out. If you stop server hoping, military bases will be hard to get into.

 

Maybe Balota, but I seriously run up and down the map hitting up all the military bases and usually see nobody. I think everybody assumes they'll get killed, so they stay away. That, or they server hop before joining the populated servers I frequent.

[hogscraper 328]

Balota has always looked paved to me. :|

 

A dirt runway does not equal an airport. :thumbsup: I will take back the comment of all airports having police though since that is neither here nor their since the ones in game do have it.

 

My only point is that these 'military weapons' are not far fetched and certainly not restricted to the military.

There's concrete right out front of the hangars but the runway is that giant field out front. I did just check and the SA has turned the field into a paved runway.

[hogscraper 328]

Um... Okay again, the word was not being used literally but rather I was referring to any weapon of that class. It's easier to say "assault rifle" than to say "semi auto M4, Ak47, AUG, G36, " whatever. Semantics. Learn the definition. 

 

 

 

I was just trying to help you not sound illiterate. Assault rifles are never just semi-auto. Never. I understand the word semantics and chose to call you out for not knowing what you're talking about. I would offer the same correction to someone calling a G18 a revolver. If he then went on to say SEMANTICS! when I pointed out a G18 is not and can never be a revolver I would laugh at is poor attempt at a cover-up when he says oh I just use revolver to describe any sort of handgun.