Drinking wells need to be contaminated

[Imbalanxd 59]

The drinking wells in DayZ need to be contaminated like other water sources are. At the moment they are trivialising the thirst mechanic, and make it far too easy to head north not even 5 minutes into a player's life.

[ratiasu@hotmail.co.jp 122]

Not unless a player actually actively poisons it. Well water is quite clean IRL, normally. Might get some diarrhea if you're not used to it, but seeing as our guys and galls are Chernarussian, that should be a-ok. I actually had some serious dehydration issues because I refused to drink from a pond earlier today. Illness from ponds should be turned up though, but not before water boiling is fixed.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Ratiasu

[AP_Norris 1018]

If you eat food you shouldn't really need to drink at all.

Moisture in food is enough to keep you going.

We really don't need to be dying of thirst when Eating moist food.

It's fine.

[SvU_Saber 21]

we should be able to drink our own pee...

 

urm, yes in game is what I mean...

Edited December 29, 2013 by SvU_Saber

[SvU_Saber 21]

If you eat food you shouldn't really need to drink at all.

Moisture in food is enough to keep you going.

We really don't need to be dying of thirst when Eating moist food.

It's fine.

 

 

 

Baha! he said 'Moist'...

Edited December 29, 2013 by SvU_Saber

[DemonGroover 8836]

Why would a well be contaminated?  If the well goes down to the water table that water can be quite fresh.

 

I'd still boil it though.

[SvU_Saber 21]

Why would a well be contaminated?  If the well goes down to the water table that water can be quite fresh.

 

I'd still boil it though.

 

If I pee in said well, boiling it wont change the taste!

[semipr0 402]

If you eat food you shouldn't really need to drink at all.

Moisture in food is enough to keep you going.

We really don't need to be dying of thirst when Eating moist food.

It's fine.

 

Thats not medically accurate at all.

 

A cucumber is what we'd call a very wet food its not even a "moist food" its full of liquids. Problem being is those liquids are consumed by the bodies metabolic processes while converting the vegetable fiber intake into glucose.

 

Now lets take moist foods and or foods with little to no moisture content and its simply exponential from there.

 

Simple facts are is you need about 4 times more water than you need solid intake, simply to maintain the solid intake and proper metabolism of it. Now granted not many people IRL actually do this but we also generally in the first world at least, don't live in situations of such extremity that it ever becomes a health hazardous issue. We make up for our intake deficiets at various points in a day or week, we're never in a position of extremely difficult to balance metabolic demands in this day and age for most of us that have the time to get on the internet and talk about whats important to surivival in a game.

 

There are millions of people that will tell you right now that a bowl of moist rice isn't going to keep them going nor did it keep their child from dying of dehydration and malnutrition.

 

So..yeah...lets not make blanket statements in regards to whats "fine".

[semipr0 402]

Why would a well be contaminated?  If the well goes down to the water table that water can be quite fresh.

 

I'd still boil it though.

 

Cause a dead cow was dropped into it as a joke by some fratboys from Cornell. I mean why else?

[sess130 50]

You CAN get sick from wells in the game (experience). But IRL, well water is about as clean as bottled water due to the fact that it is ground water and is filtered through the soil. But yes, pond water needs to get you sick a lot more often.

[SvU_Saber 21]

Thats not medically accurate at all.

 

A cucumber is what we'd call a very wet food its not even a "moist food" its full of liquids. Problem being is those liquids are consumed by the bodies metabolic processes while converting the vegetable fiber intake into glucose.

 

Now lets take moist foods and or foods with little to no moisture content and its simply exponential from there.

 

Simple facts are is you need about 4 times more water than you need solid intake, simply to maintain the solid intake and proper metabolism of it. Now granted not many people IRL actually do this but we also generally in the first world at least, don't live in situations of such extremity that it ever becomes a health hazardous issue. We make up for our intake deficiets at various points in a day or week, we're never in a position of extremely difficult to balance metabolic demands in this day and age for most of us that have the time to get on the internet and talk about whats important to surivival in a game.

 

There are millions of people that will tell you right now that a bowl of moist rice isn't going to keep them going nor did it keep their child from dying of dehydration and malnutrition.

 

So..yeah...lets not make blanket statements in regards to whats "fine".

If I stick my shot gun in your mouth could you tell me the liquid content of the bullet as it exits the barrel?  :o

Edited December 29, 2013 by SvU_Saber

[AP_Norris 1018]

Thats not medically accurate at all.

 

A cucumber is what we'd call a very wet food its not even a "moist food" its full of liquids. Problem being is those liquids are consumed by the bodies metabolic processes while converting the vegetable fiber intake into glucose.

 

Now lets take moist foods and or foods with little to no moisture content and its simply exponential from there.

 

Simple facts are is you need about 4 times more water than you need solid intake, simply to maintain the solid intake and proper metabolism of it. Now granted not many people IRL actually do this but we also generally in the first world at least, don't live in situations of such extremity that it ever becomes a health hazardous issue. We make up for our intake deficiets at various points in a day or week, we're never in a position of extremely difficult to balance metabolic demands in this day and age for most of us that have the time to get on the internet and talk about whats important to surivival in a game.

 

There are millions of people that will tell you right now that a bowl of moist rice isn't going to keep them going nor did it keep their child from dying of dehydration and malnutrition.

 

So..yeah...lets not make blanket statements in regards to whats "fine".

Do we eat moist rice ingame?

Food has water in it.

Tuna has water in it.

Beans have water in them.

Untill we got this water filter thing, I never drank water.

Literal months of not drinking.

[victusmortuus 1074]

If somebody drinks from it, then somebody else, then somebody else...ect then surely you would get sick from it due to the bacteria in a persons mouth. 

[Imbalanxd 59]

Ok guys, I understand the realism aspect, but there is also game-play to consider. At the moment, whenever I spawn, I run straight up to a well point, drinking until I'm full, and then just start legging it because I know I have a good 2-3 hours of running before I need any sustenance whatsoever.

 

How about wells have an initial amount of water (lets say, the equivalent of 8 or 9 bottles of water) after which they run out and slowly replenish (at a rate of 1 bottle every 5 minutes). That way they at least become more like commodities rather than never ending infinite resources.

[SvU_Saber 21]

Cause a dead cow was dropped into it as a joke by some fratboys from Cornell. I mean why else?

 

What about doing 'number 2's' in it?...it's basicly a giant toilet. kinda like India! ....JK! JK!...India's great! love the smell of fresh spices and shit.

[SvU_Saber 21]

Ok guys, I understand the realism aspect, but there is also game-play to consider. At the moment, whenever I spawn, I run straight up to a well point, drinking until I'm full, and then just start legging it because I know I have a good 2-3 hours of running before I need any sustenance whatsoever.

 

How about wells have an initial amount of water (lets say, the equivalent of 8 or 9 bottles of water) after which they run out and slowly replenish (at a rate of 1 bottle every 5 minutes). That way they at least become more like commodities rather than never ending infinite resources.

that's actually a good idea!

 

I second the motion! 

[Imbalanxd 59]

Do we eat moist rice ingame?

Food has water in it.

Tuna has water in it.

Beans have water in them.

Untill we got this water filter thing, I never drank water.

Literal months of not drinking.

 

The recommended daily intake of water is 3.7 litres for an 18+ male. Now since DayZ isn't exactly set in optimum conditions, lets say we can half that amount to 2 litres. So that's 2 kg of water that you need per day. Lets be optimistic and say that the food you are eating is pretty damn moist and has a water content at consumption of 20%. That would mean you would need to eat 10kg of solid food per day in order to get your water intake requirements done (not counting the water required to digest that 10kg of food). That is far too much food to be eating on a daily basis.

 

When you think of water, you probably only think of the clear stuff that comes out of a tap. Anything liquid is water. Coke is probably upwards of 95% water.

[semipr0 402]

Do we eat moist rice ingame?

Food has water in it.

Tuna has water in it.

Beans have water in them.

Untill we got this water filter thing, I never drank water.

Literal months of not drinking.

 

And from a diagnostic standpoint you were also probably chronically dehydrated which is a common health condition for first worlders all over the place.

 

Its not specifically dangerous to your health unless exacerbated by other existing conditions, as stated you make up for the intake deficiet in other ways, the issue being is a can of preserved beans or spaghetti or even tuna does not have the required fluid content to sustain hard living conditions and heavy physical activity for a long term without seriously devasting physical affects.

 

There is a reason why the extreme climates of our world are not generally places where people are just allowed to go without the proper preparation and its because most people wouldn't survive in them for a day based only on their dietary habits alone.

Edited December 29, 2013 by semipr0

[SvU_Saber 21]

And from a diagnostic standpoint you were also probably chronically dehydrated which is a common health condition for first worlders all over the place.

 

Its not specifically dangerous to your health unless exacerbated by other existing conditions, as stated you make up for the intake deficiet in other ways, the issue being is a can of preserved beans or spaghetti or even tuna does not have the required fluid content to sustain hard living conditions and heavy physical activity for a long term without seriously devasting physical affects.

 

There is a reason why the extreme climates of our world are not generally places where people are just allowed to go without the proper preparation and its because most people wouldn't survive in them for a day based only on their dietary habits alone.

 

I went camping in my back yard once and got sick from listening to the dribble that comes out of your mouth! lol  :lol:  JK...youre awsome!

[semipr0 402]

When you think of water, you probably only think of the clear stuff that comes out of a tap. Anything liquid is water. Coke is probably upwards of 95% water.

 

This is correct but the high fructose corn syrup, in parts per million actually almost completely negates the fluid intake from it. Which is kinda crazy when you think about it. But its a lot of sugar to convert to metabolic glucose. The fluid requirements almost require the soda to have as much water as it has to sustain the HFCS being metabolized.

 

I'm not a water nazi or anything, just saying, assuming that anything that can be drank can sustain a healthy fluid intake is also incorrect. You might as well say that you can stay hydrated drinking Anejo Tequila...I mean its made from blue agave nectar after all....it should be like totally hydrating right? Except its not cause again, alcohol requires fluid to metabolize to metabolic glucose. Same with everything.

No matter how you come at it there is no life without water, theres just first world lack of having to be concerned about it.

[SvU_Saber 21]

This is correct but the high fructose corn syrup, in parts per million actually almost completely negates the fluid intake from it. Which is kinda crazy when you think about it. But its a lot of sugar to convert to metabolic glucose. The fluid requirements almost require the soda to have as much water as it has to sustain the HFCS being metabolized.

 

I'm not a water nazi or anything, just saying, assuming that anything that can be drank can sustain a healthy fluid intake is also incorrect. You might as well say that you can stay hydrated drinking Anejo Tequila...I mean its made from blue agave nectar after all....it should be like totally hydrating right? Except its not cause again, alcohol requires fluid to metabolize to metabolic glucose. Same with everything.

No matter how you come at it there is no life without water, theres just first world lack of having to be concerned about it.

You just made drinking tequila less enjoyable...

[AP_Norris 1018]

Ok guys, I understand the realism aspect, but there is also game-play to consider. At the moment, whenever I spawn, I run straight up to a well point, drinking until I'm full, and then just start legging it because I know I have a good 2-3 hours of running before I need any sustenance whatsoever.

 

How about wells have an initial amount of water (lets say, the equivalent of 8 or 9 bottles of water) after which they run out and slowly replenish (at a rate of 1 bottle every 5 minutes). That way they at least become more like commodities rather than never ending infinite resources.

What gameplay defect is that? You take a good drink and you don't need to drink for a bit.

It would be good If you could drink without 100% chance of an infection.

[SvU_Saber 21]

If you drink from a well but there is no one around to see it, how much water is left in the well?

[Imbalanxd 59]

What gameplay defect is that? You take a good drink and you don't need to drink for a bit.

It would be good If you could drink without 100% chance of an infection.

 

My last life lasted about 7 or so hours, during which I ran from Elektro, to NWAF, across to NEAF, to Berezino, across to the top of Cherno, and back to the NWAF. During that entire trek, I drank from a water bottle, canteen or cola can a total of zero times. I never once needed to. Never.

 

That is a gameplay defect.