Mosin Nagant: Which kind of 7.62?

[applejaxc 2500]

Hello. I feel like a fresh spawn all over again :)

 

So, the Mosin Nagant. Great rifle, glad to have one in-game. The problem is, I have 7.62mm ammunition (20 rounds); whenever I try to load this into the Mosin Nagant, I get "Cannot fit" errors. I tried to split my 20 rounds up and I get something along the lines of "You don't have enough ammo to split this up"

 

Google has found Dayzintel.com (or some URL like that), which has 7.62mm and 7.62x31 as two seperate ammunition types (which they are in real life, if the former is x51).

 

Is it true, that the AK and the Mosin Nagants in game use 2 different ammunition types?

[Julius Caesar 1760]

Hello. I feel like a fresh spawn all over again :)

 

So, the Mosin Nagant. Great rifle, glad to have one in-game. The problem is, I have 7.62mm ammunition (20 rounds); whenever I try to load this into the Mosin Nagant, I get "Cannot fit" errors. I tried to split my 20 rounds up and I get something along the lines of "You don't have enough ammo to split this up"

 

Google has found Dayzintel.com (or some URL like that), which has 7.62mm and 7.62x31 as two seperate ammunition types (which they are in real life, if the former is x51).

 

Is it true, that the AK and the Mosin Nagants in game use 2 different ammunition types?

 

There is no AK atm.

Right click the ammo and press load ammunition.

It'll take 5 and load the Mosin.

[-Gews- 7443]

There is a picture of 7.62x39mm in the files. There is no AKM to fire it but there is an SKS.

 

However, the SKS currently uses the same ammunition, magazines and muzzle velocity as the Mosin-Nagant. Clearly that will have to be changed! (note SKS isn't in game yet).

 

As well, both the Mosin and SKS ammunition is "B_762x51_Ball", which is probably a placeholder. That's just a wrong name so doesn't affect anything at all.

 

 

However, having an SKS using the same ammunition as a Mosin is no bueno!

[applejaxc 2500]

There is no AK atm.

Right click the ammo and press load ammunition.

It'll take 5 and load the Mosin.

Thanks! Now I can go murder help some players

 

I'm assuming I have to be holding my Mosin when I do this?

[Freek314 32]

There are three types of 7.62: x39, x51, and x54R.

 

AK and SKS use x39, a small, light-weight cartridge with little power and reach

 

x51 is, in modern use, a sniper round similar to .308 Winchester

 

Mosins use x54R, an old cartridge that is very cheap, usually containing corrosive primer agents, with power similar to the x51.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Freek314

[Chronos Blackburn 149]

Its a bug, atm it will not load the rounds, but in the future it will be able to take 7.62mm

[Silverhawk71 7]

No, you need to empty the cardboard box, then load the rounds into the gun.

[kingochaos 131]

No, you need to empty the cardboard box, then load the rounds into the gun

Yes, what this guy said... you need loose rounds in your inventory to load.

 

 And .308 and 7.62x51 are the same round... same as .223 and 5.56, its just using metric and imperial descriptions o the same round ;)  Not first time ive heard them described as different, they are not. (although obviously a hunter would not use fmj... dosnt do enough damage)

 

Edit second paragraph obviously at other dude about calibers.

Edited December 18, 2013 by KingOchaos

[applejaxc 2500]

Yes, what this guy said... you need loose rounds in your inventory to load.

 

 And .308 and 7.62x51 are the same round... same as .223 and 5.56, its just using metric and imperial descriptions o the same round ;)  Not first time ive heard them described as different, they are not. (although obviously a hunter would not use fmj... dosnt do enough damage)

 

Edit second paragraph obviously at other dude about calibers.

 

They aren't EXACTLY the same, though a rifle for one can chamber the other.

[Freek314 32]

There are plenty of rifles that cannot fire both .223/5.56 or .308/7.62 interchangeably safely...

 

If you use military ammo in a civilian weapon not designed to withstand the pressures, you will not be a happy bandit.

 

 

So yeah, next time you want to correct someone make sure you're right.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Freek314

[wolfsburg62 66]

There is a picture of 7.62x39mm in the files. There is no AKM to fire it but there is an SKS.

 

However, the SKS currently uses the same ammunition, magazines and muzzle velocity as the Mosin-Nagant. Clearly that will have to be changed! (note SKS isn't in game yet).

 

As well, both the Mosin and SKS ammunition is "B_762x51_Ball", which is probably a placeholder. That's just a wrong name so doesn't affect anything at all.

 

 

However, having an SKS using the same ammunition as a Mosin is no bueno!

 

 

They designated the Mosin 7.62x51?? Stupid. For this game coming from a military simulator it sure doesnt cater to people who know what rounds to use, and we're gona be left in the dark when trying to use the "correct" stuff. Is it really that hard to change? 

[wolfsburg62 66]

:rolleyes:

Edited December 19, 2013 by wolfsburg62

[Lycake 33]

They designated the Mosin 7.62x51?? Stupid. For this game coming from a military simulator it sure doesnt cater to people who know what rounds to use, and we're gona be left in the dark when trying to use the "correct" stuff. Is it really that hard to change? 

Like the animation of aiming with the M4 it's not very realistical. The position is just wrong and you wouldn't be able do control the recoil properly. It's just a game and it's fine for me the way it is, however I can understand that people with deeper knowledge of things like ammo type might get confused and thus I hope they will make some adjustments later on, but seriously I hope it's not very high in their priority list - there are more important things for the next few months

[kingochaos 131]

There are plenty of rifles that cannot fire both .223/5.56 or .308/7.62 interchangeably safely...

 

If you use military ammo in a civilian weapon not designed to withstand the pressures, you will not be a happy bandit.

 

 

So yeah, next time you want to correct someone make sure you're right.

Rubbish, military ammo is cheaper, and normally lower velocity than civi ammo(in .308 anyway... .223 is a rabbit gun).. where is this coming from? i mean a .222 and a 5.56 aint the same, and you can fire em outta the same rifle, but it isnt safe. A .308 however is EXACTLY the same cartridge.  Civi stuff, has vastly greater choices o loads and bullet weights than military. But it is EXACTLY the same cartridge. Hell i been shooting for 30 years, ten years military. Im not guessing, ive fired both, had both, looked hard at both. The only discernible difference i can see in the brass, is with military rounds, they crimp the primers in. (to prevent chances o it poppin out and causing a jam, but no good for reloading)

 

Edit.. the cartridges are identical, and black label factory load civi stuff is higher pressure.... military is generally steel core fmj, hunters use noslers (softnose/ lead core, jacketed) etc, which would be illegal by geneva convention, cause they fuck shit up big time in comparison to fmj.

 

 Edit2 ive found plenty o stuff on net now, that i can see where people think its different, and i stand corrected.  http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2007/09/03/308-winchester-vs-762x51-nato/

 

" OK --- Let's address the oft-posed question "Are the .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 NATO one and the same?" The simple answer is no. There are differences in chamber specs and maximum pressures. The SAMMI/CIP maximum pressure for the .308 Win cartridge is 62,000 psi, while the 7.62x51 max is 50,000 psi. Also, the headspace is slightly different. The .308 Win "Go Gauge" is 1.630" vs. 1.635" for the 7.62x51. The .308's "No-Go" dimension is 1.634" vs. 1.6405" for a 7.62x51 "No Go" gauge. That said, it is normally fine to shoot quality 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a gun chambered for the .308 Winchester (though not all NATO ammo is identical). Clint McKee of Fulton Armory notes: "[N]obody makes 7.62mm (NATO) ammo that isn't to the .308 'headspace' dimension spec. So 7.62mm ammo fits nicely into .308 chambers, as a rule." You CAN encounter problems going the other way, however. A commercial .308 Win round can exceed the max rated pressure for the 7.62x51. So, you should avoid putting full-power .308 Win rounds into military surplus rifles that have been designed for 50,000 psi max. Reloaders should also note that military ammo often is made with a thicker web. Consequently the case capacity of 7.62x51 brass is usually less than that of commercial .308 brass. You may need to reduce recommended .308 Winchester loads by as much as 2 full grains, if you reload with military 7.62x51 brass, such as Lake City or IMI."

 

 And mosin o course dosnt fire 7.62x51 irl... but 7.62x54R

Edited December 19, 2013 by KingOchaos

[psylence 6]

The .223 /  5.56  and .308 / 7.62 thing is an age old argument but that has nothing to do with what the OP was talking about. :D

 

I sure hope when they put the DMR in the game I'm not going to be able to change out my Mosin ammo for it, but I will be able to change out my Mosin ammo into my SVD.  And sure as hell not gonna be able to put in my 7.62x54R into an akm, LOL. But as for the guns that are in the alpha now, the extra specification isn't needed so there should really be no confusion. (unless I'm mistaken about how many different guns / types of ammo are in the game).

[sidu 62]

 

I've attached this 3,5 scop to mossin but I can't get any closer look throught this scope so it's kinda useless ;/ any idea if there is a way to look through it? Also Is there any mag for mossin or I have to load one by one all the time? ;/

[psylence 6]

That's probably just a glitch, because with the the iron sights you can't zoom in / out like in ArmA anymore. The fact that you could actually fit that scope on the Mosin is unrealistic as you would never find a scope mount that was compatible! But it is a game :P

 

And no, the magazine for the Mosin is an internal magazine, so you just load the rounds into the gun.  In real life you would use stripper clips instead of loading them one by one but you basically have that speed in the game anyway.

 

edit: my bad, that's actually really cool! it's the real Mosin PU scope! still rare :P

Edited December 19, 2013 by Psylence

[-Gews- 7443]

They designated the Mosin 7.62x51?? Stupid. For this game coming from a military simulator it sure doesnt cater to people who know what rounds to use, and we're gona be left in the dark when trying to use the "correct" stuff. Is it really that hard to change?

I didn't properly explain it.

The ammunition for the Mosin is indeed called B_762x51_Ball, and the magazines are called B_762x51_Ball_Single and B_762x51_Ball_Five.

 

However, this is at the configuration level. The player doesn't see it. They could have called it 5_Round_Banana_Dogs, it makes no difference, because no one playing sees it.

 

 

 

The thing that makes the difference are the actual stats taken from real life: muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient. If they get these two right, I couldn't care less what it's called.

 

However... right now both muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient are wrong :lol: muzzle velocity is from the M16, ballistic coefficient is from the 7.62x51.

 

 

 

 

The SAMMI/CIP maximum pressure for the .308 Win cartridge is 62,000 psi, while the 7.62x51 max is 50,000 psi.

 

This is false, Army data sheets said "50,000 psi" for the 7.62x51, but they actually meant "50,000 CUP", copper units of pressure. It was a mistake. 50,000 CUP is close to 60,000 PSI. The headspace is the problem.

 

 

 

I've attached this 3,5 scop to mossin but I can't get any closer look throught this scope so it's kinda useless ;/ any idea if there is a way to look through it? Also Is there any mag for mossin or I have to load one by one all the time? ;/

 

Apparently it doesn't work right now.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1t9536/im_surprised_no_ones_talking_about_this/

Edited December 19, 2013 by Gews

[sidu 62]

 

edit: my bad, that's actually really cool! it's the real Mosin PU scope! still rare :P

 

it's not rare xD I found milions of them

 

 

and what about bipod, is it working?

Edited December 19, 2013 by Sidu

[applejaxc 2500]

No, I figured it out.

 

Right-click 7.62, choose "Empty" to get 2 10 round magazines, then load THOSE into your Mosin (five at a time).

 

I thought that the option "Empty" meant it was broken/just a placeholder

[sidu 62]

I can\t load 5 at a time oO I can just 1

[psylence 6]

I can\t load 5 at a time oO I can just 1

 

Instead of selecting "chamber", just drag the rounds onto the rifle and I think you select something like "load in".  That should put 5 rounds in the magazine in the gun.  I hope that helps.