melee with no weapon

[pinapple900 8]

So you just spawned, and your near balota airfield, but you dont have any way to fight off the hordes of zombies; 

 

all im saying is, is the survivor too retarded to use his fists against the zombies? But it shouldn't to too much damage since he probably a UFC fighter pre-apocalypse; the bambis need a way to fight off the zombies until they can get their hands on a better weapon. But thats my opinion. 

[enforcer1975 1111]

Try to defend yourself against a raging gorilla....that's the kind of effect you will have on the zeds.

[pinapple900 8]

But it would knock them back and give you a chance to run. maybe 6 hits to disable 10 to kill?

[rossums 2190]

The developers have already talked about adding melee combat for the standalone game as well as a heavy focus on the 'lower-end' of gear such as melee weapons and more basic guns.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Go find someone high on PCP or Meth and get into a fist fight with them.  Let me know how that turns out.  Or hell go watch a boxing match.  Zombies (and humans for that matter) aren't fragile sacks of meat.  They are rabid human beings, meaning they are crazy and don't feel pain, you do on the other hand, you're gonna break your own bones before you manage to kill someone with your firsts.

[Mos1ey 6301]

I think unarmed melee will be added in the standalone, it's too fiddly for the mod though as there are no knock back animations for the zeds.

 

I'd like to see a 'shove' or something. Trying to fist fight them when they're infected and full of rage would be silly, but trying to defend yourself instead of just taking a beating and running away makes perfect sense.

[Cormyr 39]

I would like to see unarmed combat in SA (I believe they confirmed it is being added, not 100% sure), regardless if it can be used on zombies. You can still knock out a player if ya get the chance. Could use it to settle disputes over loot or something... fist fight! winner gets za lootz.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Try to defend yourself against a raging gorilla....that's the kind of effect you will have on the zeds.

Except zombies aren't as strong as a gorilla.

Essentially it would be like fighting a half rotten person with rabies.

I feel that whenever I want a melee system I want a free flowing system where you can do jabs and big swings, pin and hold, below the belt and sucka punch kinda shit aswell.

But that's never going to happen.

[enforcer1975 1111]

Except zombies aren't as strong as a gorilla.

Essentially it would be like fighting a half rotten person with rabies.

I feel that whenever I want a melee system I want a free flowing system where you can do jabs and big swings, pin and hold, below the belt and sucka punch kinda shit aswell.

But that's never going to happen.

 

Read below..they are not rotting...

 

They are rabid human beings

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

So you just spawned, and your near balota airfield, but you dont have any way to fight off the hordes of zombies; 

 

all im saying is, is the survivor too retarded to use his fists against the zombies? But it shouldn't to too much damage since he probably a UFC fighter pre-apocalypse; the bambis need a way to fight off the zombies until they can get their hands on a better weapon. But thats my opinion. 

 

 

No. The survivor lacks programming and animations to use his fists against zombies. Video game characters are not, in fact, tiny human beings, and therefore don't possess "intelligence."

 

Idiot.

:emptycan:

Edited September 29, 2013 by SalamanderAnder

[AP_Norris 1018]

Read below..they are not rotting...

Even so... To compare the strength of a person to a gorilla.

And being outside taking zero care of yourself for a month, you would likely have many different parasites.

[LancerG2 369]

Go find someone high on PCP or Meth and get into a fist fight with them.  Let me know how that turns out.  Or hell go watch a boxing match.  Zombies (and humans for that matter) aren't fragile sacks of meat.  They are rabid human beings, meaning they are crazy and don't feel pain, you do on the other hand, you're gonna break your own bones before you manage to kill someone with your firsts.

 

[AP_Norris 1018]

That guy looks fragile tbh

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Well, yeah If I apply all 350 or so pounds of weight onto a narrow spot on your head your head's gonna be crushed.  Unless I'm doing a handstand I can't put that much force/weight into my punches.  My point was a couple of punches to the face or torso won't kill someone, especially not someone who feels no pain.  Harry Houdini was quite famously killed with a punch (its said he suffered multiple blows actually), but that was not instant, it took him a couple of days to die after the incident.  He was punched in the stomach, which is basically an unarmored sack of meat and skin housing several vital and not so vital organs, where as the skull or chest are protected by that sack of meat and skin ontop of bone.  Houdini was sitting down, had a broken ankle, and didn't fight back and said stop.  He felt pain, zombies don't, Zombie Houdini probably would have gotten up, and beaten/scratched the guy to death, broken leg and all.

 

 

 

In this situation, Mickey is the zombies, sans holding back, I'd say Gorgeous George is the players but we're not that cockswollen.

[LancerG2 369]

 He felt pain, zombies don't, 

 

These are the "Infected" not zombies, clearly the Infected are sick humans, yes they will feel pain, and It Irritates me to think that they don't however your point does prove vital.

 

My Idea is that after fighting with your fists your character over time can throw harder punches, Not punches that can kill but punches like King-Hits (One hit punches that causes knock outs) that can do some severe damage, like incapacitate or comas. I'm not saying that we can kill zombies via beating the living fuck out of them but I'm saying that players can use it so that they can defend themselves if all else turns to fuck.

 

One question though, what if there was one zombie and 3 people, if they knocked it down and started to stop the fuck out of it, that would clearly result in death no?

 

Also what about when you punch someone, it knocks them back right? Well what if in this game system we could implement more of an improvise fight system, like smashing heads into brick walls? Hitting the back of heads onto counter tops? stabbing somebody with a shard of glass?

 

You tell me.

Edited October 2, 2013 by LancerG2

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

True, I usually say zombie instead of infected, even though I know the 'difference'.  As I keep saying, Zombie is an umbrella term for many things.  The thing that makes zombies (again using the umbrella term) dangerous is not just that they can infect and make more (which is moot in our case), its that they Don't stop.  Logic does not affect them.  Most people and animals would flee from the sound of gunfire, zombies go towards it.  If they do feel pain, they don't acknowledge it or let it slow them down.  We've all seen the (undead) zombie in movies that's got a broken leg or some such injury where we would be in shock/crying our eyes out if we had it still give chase to prey.

 

Trying to get back on point.  An unarmed melee system would be good, and your idea of 'leveling up', or curb stomping a zombie sounds pretty good, what the Op posted (a few punches and you have a dead zombie system) does not sound good.  Getting into a fistfight is generally a bad idea, add zombie/infected ontop of that and it gets worse.  Even a healthy human being who flosses and brushes his teeth 3 times a day is going to have a mouth full of bacteria.  Punch someone in the face and your likely to cut your knuckles on his teeth and get an infection.  Your hands themselves will get injured in a fight, especially if you throw a punch wrong.  If I can't handle a gun effectively or even open a can of food because I beat 3 zombies to death earlier in the day that's going to be a problem.  I'd honestly rather use a pillow as a weapon than get in a fistfight.

 

Pretty sure a 'shove' is already in the works or in the Standalone.  More improvised weapons (brick, rock, pipe, bottle) would be welcome as well.

[AP_Norris 1018]

If zombies felt no pain, then they technically wouldn't understand the logic of injury, and would therefore all be unable to walk after two days.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Put a baby in an adult body, now have that baby man feel no pain... And you will get cripple zombies that have dislocated all kinds of shit in search of food. If they could associate obstacles with pain however... Then most won't run into serious injury and would remain as they do currently.

[LancerG2 369]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbY_LiIzLIM

 

 

1. Don't watch if you want to spoil your GTA V experience.

2. Skip to 3:07

3. Discliamer: I tried looking everywhere for the part without that specific "scene". 

4. Johnny! Why?!

 

This video just makes me think instead of just actual full on fist fighting if we could just improvise fighting with objects like beer bottles to stun so then we can finish things off by doing more powerful attacks then the logic of killing a zombie crudely would be possible.

I'm thinking, you don't necessarily have to kill a zombie with your fists, I was thinking more of using stomping as a kill method instead, thus posting a picture with a guy with a boot on his face, I'm sure people are saying zombies aren't going to feel pain yes but stunning someone can be different to hurting someone, you knock someone unconscious then they ain't going to get up straight away. In fact it takes time, Time is all you need in a "Zombie" Apocalypse if you want to quickly escape. If I was in a real zombie apocalypse I wouldn't try to get into fights with the zombies, more or less I would try to escape, sort of like your DayZ Bambi that runs like a chicken with his/her head cut off.

 

Basically long story short and to cover all my points.

 

1. You can't kill a zombie by stomping him however you can knock them out if lucky, using something like a glass bottle or proper melee weapon like a baseball bat will certainly increase the chance of knockout, if not death.

 

2. If you knock down or K.O a zombie you can stomp his face.

 

3. No more points sai.

Edited October 3, 2013 by LancerG2

[AP_Norris 1018]

Bottles are deadly, if the throwing worked I wanna be sneaking around with only a bottle as a weapon, waiting in ambush for a well equipped opportunist looking to grab an inconspicuous can of beans.

Bottles should give players a sort of concussion, possible effect of a concussion could be blindness! So if you're hit good it will be up too the person to decide your fate!

If they were really nice they could beat your temporarily blind face with your own gun.

Maybe rounded/ cubic object assisted melee where you hit with that instead of your fist.