Re-Discovered First Person View

[jubeidok 495]

I used to try and play on first person only servers as much as I could, but they slowly faded away. I had been playing in 3rd person for so long now that I hadn't forgotten how much more intense it is when you play strictly in first person(even if the server allows 3rd). Looking over your shoulders to see if you are being chased, while trying not to run into anything. Even the views you will get looking through cracks and wedges and stuff. It's all just a little more immersive and a little more rewarding.

So, if you're looking for a new challenge, try it out. Force yourself to play in first person only, even when your opponents may be in 3rd. It's also pretty crazy with the new zeds, they can seem to come out of nowhere in the woods. =P

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

They are a challenge, but a lot more intense also, brings a lot more atmosphere to the game.

I would also recommend 1st person only servers, it's a nightmare when your player is in the thick of if.

[JoeM (DayZ) 41]

Having 3rd person sucks from a PvP aspect. It makes pushing up on player's positions almost impossible as they could just be using 3rd person to look around corners without exposing themselves, then when they see you they lean out and pew pew pew, no chance for you. They were expecting you.

I really hope SA will have first person only, more immersive and much better gameplay.

[WBK 176]

First person really makes it tense. It makes it *heaps* scarier, especially at nighttime.

I really hope SA will have first person only, more immersive and much better gameplay.

Mmm I'd like that so long as a few things get corrected. If they sort out the head bob problem; there's nothing wrong with having head bob, but there's too much side to side swaying. When I run, it's mainly vertical movement, only a teensy bit of horizontal. If they minimise that or somehow maintain the centre of screen whilst moving peripherals, that would be awesome.

The other thing is that FoV is severely restricted. I don't mind changing the default figure in the mod, but I don't like the aiming adjustments that come with having a different FoV (mil-dots and especially PSO-1 are rendered useless). Change the default figure to about 140 degrees IMO, and you've got a winner.

EDIT: Just so no one gets confused anymore, I am well aware that you can change both head shake and FoV settings. I don't like changing to the latter because of the reasons above. As to why I want the defaults changed for both, the default should be the most appropriate setting, not an arbitrary figure. Which is why I'm saying the default in the SA should be around 140 degrees.

Edited June 17, 2013 by WBK

[Korsbaek 1778]

Having 3rd person sucks from a PvP aspect. It makes pushing up on player's positions almost impossible as they could just be using 3rd person to look around corners without exposing themselves, then when they see you they lean out and pew pew pew, no chance for you. They were expecting you.

I really hope SA will have first person only, more immersive and much better gameplay.

Rocket confirmed that there will be both 1st and 3rd person view in the standalone.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

FOV can be manually altered in cfg/ini files. Have a google. It will be a drain on your PC though.

Rgds

LoK

[WBK 176]

FOV can be manually altered in cfg/ini files.

Yeah thanks, I already do that. But I was saying that doing so affects zeroing on scopes, so that mil-dots and especially PSO-1 doesn't work.

EDIT: That may have sounded sarcastic, but I assure you it wasn't :)

Edited June 17, 2013 by WBK

[p4triot 207]

IMHO 3rd person shouldn't be removed, just tweaked a bit. First of all, you shouldn't be able to shoot a gun in 3rd person. 3rd person must be bound to a lowered gun. And interactive elements around corners (i.e zeds, humans, cars, loot) shouldn't be visible in 3rd person. But you can still see the buildings or the terrain.

And last but not least, none of those restriction applies when driving. As it is now ingame, maneuver in 1st person is insane.

First person really makes it tense. It makes it *heaps* scarier, especially at nighttime.

Mmm I'd like that so long as a few things get corrected. If they sort out the head bob problem; there's nothing wrong with having head bob, but there's too much side to side swaying. When I run, it's mainly vertical movement, only a teensy bit of horizontal. If they minimise that or somehow maintain the centre of screen whilst moving peripherals, that would be awesome.

The other thing is that FoV is severely restricted. I don't mind changing the default figure in the mod, but I don't like the aiming adjustments that come with having a different FoV (mil-dots and especially PSO-1 are rendered useless). Change the default figure to about 140 degrees IMO, and you've got a winner.

- Headshake can be lowered already in the mod in the game options. On the lowest setting I barely notice it (though maybe it is because I always play 1st person on everygame I play and Im already used to it). However i'm agree it should be gone in the SA, IRL your view also shakes when you run but you don't notice as you're eyes perception are integrated with the movement. This doesn't happen ingame cuz my char and I are independent entities.

- FoV can be user changed in the SA (as far as I remember from a devblog youtube video)

[sarkasm0 109]

I only play in 1st person, it feels way more inmersive and challenging, I don't know why but 3rd has taken over this game, everyone plays in third person, Maybe if they get rid of the camera shake while running more people could stand it and more server would be 1st person only...

As for vehicles, I dont particularly mind, I drive with 1st person too, and I love it, I only use third person to check if I'm done hiding a vehicle or to search for heli crashes.

In Dayz Commander, out of 6000 servers only 70 have the 3rd person view disabled...that's roughly 1.1%....

[OrLoK 16185]

I was saying that doing so affects zeroing on scopes, so that mil-dots and especially PSO-1 doesn't work.

Hello there

I didnt know that, thanks for the info. Also, I should have read your post properly. Full of hayfever here.

L

[WBK 176]

All good :)

[mark starkiller 2]

I played arma for years only in first person, dayZ forced me in 3rd. Af5er a few months pause( i was waiting for SA) i started to play again and only on hardcore servers. Much, much better in my opinion. I strongly recomand to try it.

I totaly removed head bob in gameplay settings. I have box version of arma, maybe you cant on steam version?

[jubeidok 495]

It's good to see that there are others that enjoy the added challenge of a first person only view.

I recently found a hardcore server to play on too. It's not super populated, but does get into the double digits once in a while. It's US 3279 Las Vegas, have already had some pretty intense sessions. Enjoy.

[jubeidok 495]

I played arma for years only in first person, dayZ forced me in 3rd. Af5er a few months pause( i was waiting for SA) i started to play again and only on hardcore servers. Much, much better in my opinion. I strongly recomand to try it.

I totaly removed head bob in gameplay settings. I have box version of arma, maybe you cant on steam version?

Same, with ARMA, to the point where I had even forgot there was a 3rd person. =)

[Aporis 422]

I would like to play on First person, but one of my friend says he gets alot of fps lag on first person. So we have to play on 3rd person servers.

[methr1k2dop3 323]

i play in 3rd...

i think its more realistic.

[sobieski12 835]

I would like to play on First person, but one of my friend says he gets alot of fps lag on first person. So we have to play on 3rd person servers.

Fun fact, your friend is a liar.

* You actually gain FPS, due to rendering less textures in-front of you. While in third person, you would actually load more textures and with that you lose FPS.

[sobieski12 835]

i play in 3rd...

i think its more realistic.

If only the real life military can can use the third person camera at.

* Checking around corners

* Checking over solid walls while kneeling or prone.

* Having a great view on rooftops while not exposing your-self from any enemy combatants. Most popular camping spot would be the hospitals, gotta love that small amount of cover.

* Sit in the middle of a pine tree or bush and be able to have a 360 view without being spotted.

* Stand aligned with a tree, no need to expose your self without actually knowing the enemy is in-front of you.

But hence, we need to deal with reality.

* You could tilt to check around corners in real life.

* You either need to stand or kneel to actually see over walls.

* If your going to take the high ground, you need to expose yourself if you want to find targets.

* You need to expose your self in trees or bushes if you want to discover enemies,

* No matter the cover, you need to show yourself in combat, for that is the only way to know the situation around you.

Edited June 17, 2013 by Sobieski12

[sobieski12 835]

I only play in 1st person, it feels way more inmersive and challenging, I don't know why but 3rd has taken over this game, everyone plays in third person, Maybe if they get rid of the camera shake while running more people could stand it and more server would be 1st person only...

As for vehicles, I dont particularly mind, I drive with 1st person too, and I love it, I only use third person to check if I'm done hiding a vehicle or to search for heli crashes.

In Dayz Commander, out of 6000 servers only 70 have the 3rd person view disabled...that's roughly 1.1%....

People use the 3rd person camera to get an absolute advantage over another player. The overall mentality in this decision is quite simple, your rocking is some very rare gear and you will use every exploit possible in order to keep it. If it is to camp on top of hospitals or trying to stay invisible in bushes, there will always be a player that will try to use the 3rd person tool to spot threats, before they themselves are spotted.

The 3rd person camera also provides safety and security to various players, due to how easily it can be exploited in pvp combat. Not being able to rely on 3rd person severely limits the player in the ability to spot threats and it can actually place him in a state of fear or uncertainty. This is why I'd say the community is overall heavily dependent on 3rd person.

Edited June 17, 2013 by Sobieski12

[geoffdeath 43]

If I had my way I would remove 3rd person except for vehicles as its exploited by players in the ways already posted.

Its removal would make flying heli's a challenge or more so landing a heli.

[sobieski12 835]

If I had my way I would remove 3rd person except for vehicles as its exploited by players in the ways already posted.

Its removal would make flying heli's a challenge or more so landing a heli.

Vehicles are even worse, just saying.

* The 3rd person camera is higher than average, and don't forget to option that you can zoom out even more.

- Great tool in finding players over high concrete fences or to see over small to medium houses. Of course in this game to win, you need to have a great ability in spotting players, thus spotting zombies.

You can call a 3rd person vehicle a moving watch tower in all honesty, due to how the camera is place.

* There is no reason that a vehicle should have an easier time to spot threats than a man that is out in the fields, if people want the game to be realistic the vehicles should only have 1st person, but that would narrow the field in which people can spot threats! That ain't going to happen.

Edited June 17, 2013 by Sobieski12

[jubeidok 495]

Oops, posted this in the wrong place. =P

Edited June 17, 2013 by JubeiDOK

[methr1k2dop3 323]

First person cannot capture your surroundings like 3rd person.

Yes peeking around corners is a exploit but somethings gotta give.

[narwaljunior 18]

I used third person to stare at my sexy hero outfit.....dat handsome scarf.

[bibbish 49]

First person cannot capture your surroundings like 3rd person.

Yes peeking around corners is a exploit but somethings gotta give.

What do you mean by 'capture your surroundings'?

Anyway will be back on when I have my new PC. Looking forward to SA, hope for some FP servers. :)