Silliest excuse for an Admin Ban.

[devilsurn 7]

OK! Just thought I would get this discussion going.

I'm not angry nor bothered about this to be honest. But I've been banned for “Exploiting Humanity Mechanics” on a Origins server.

So the story goes like this.

So I spawned near a town ran in and started doing the usual looting. The next minute I new I'm dead - killed by a guy with a m16. So instead of getting all angry I thought to my self "Challenge accepted".So I spawned in again started hunting for a gun, anything would do for as long it's not the starter pistol. Long behold I'm dead once again but this time by someone else. Now it appeared there was two guys working together so I called for a friend who then came to my aid.

So we start getting their locations and directions. Eventually I get a gun and take them both out. They spawned in and started to do the usual looting and we kill them over and over and over and over and over again. We died a couple of times during that awesome PvP episode.

THEN!!

Oh well!

[Dreams_Of_Cheese (DayZ) 71]

Are you seriously complaining that you got banned for spawnkilling?

[jdz (DayZ) 238]

If you're going to play like that, stick to COD.

[SixGunLover 54]

I must agree with jdz, but since your kind are legion on dayz and that you seem to be there to stay, just dont kill fresh spawn.

[HMS 115]

I don't think he got banned for spawnkilling. We'd need to hear more about this from the admin because, aside from spelling "mechanics" wrong, that's not what they said. If he did, then the other guy with the m16 needed to be banned as well. After all, he was a fresh spawn looting for flares for all we know.

(This thread, as I see it, is not intended to be a place to debate the merits or idiocies of killing fresh spawns. The game clearly allows such behavior.)

My question is... what did they mean by "exploiting humanity mecanics [sic]"?

It didn't say "banned for spawnkilling". Perhaps trying to get the bandit skin by murdering a lot at once?

[thehero 119]

In origins you get humanity for killing bandits the lower their humanity the more you gain per kill same thing if you kill a hero. A lot of player will just spawn kill each other to boost up to hero/bandit levels for the housing requirements. The admin probably assumed you and the guy you were killing were just two friends trying to boost.

[devilsurn 7]

For those that think I'm a spawn killer I am not normally. Although I've been killed many times with little to no gear. It doesn't bother me. I accept this happens as I've come to terms that this will always happen. Nor does the ban bother me. It's certainly not a complaint as I'm guessing the Admin that owns this server has his reasons for doing it. The fact of the matter I was fresh and new to the server and died 2 times in a row before managing to get some kills back in. I accepted the challenge of PvP so it was game on.

Regardless of some peoples morality issues I was fresh and kept coming back for more simply because there wasn't anything to loose. They indeed had done the same. But being accused of “exploiting” When it could be correctly considered more as “Farming” or “Boosting” although in reality it was a PvP fight against to other unknown players. Clearly the Admin believes the mechanics of killing one another is an exploit. I personally don't care for humanity as I will shoot hero or bandit or newly spawn depending on the circumstances. I'm more of a marauder in game than anything else.

The point of this was to show that the ban is silly nothing more nothing less.

So I'm interested in hearing other stories that people have throughout DayZ!

Edited May 17, 2013 by DevilsUrn

[SixGunLover 54]

It's supposed to be a survival game, being shoot in the first 20min is not normal.

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

He spelled Mechanics wrong

[HMS 115]

I missed the SECOND LINE of the OP where it said it was Origins.

I am not familiar with that mod, but based on "whoknowswho"'s description, it looks like an admin was watching the goings-on and determined that someone was trying to game the system.

I can probably write 5 more paragraphs on this but I will just say "It looks like a crappy ban to me".

I was banned once on a server (call it "server B") that I was moving all my stuff to because "server A" was shutting down.

I had 5 tents on "Server A".

"Server B"'s admin was checking his logs the next day and saw me putting down 5 tents in relatively rapid succession and decided that I was duping them. (This was version 1.6 or something when it was easy to perpetuate any consumables that you wanted.)

The only bad thing is that the admin was not too sure how to manage his server and after 3 weeks of telling me he unbanned me, not only was I still banned, but then the server disappeared. And 5 tents full of glorious L85s, NVG, and fuel tank parts.

[Crazy one 124]

It's supposed to be a survival game, being shoot in the first 20min is not normal.

True but A] that's what happened to him first,with that situation it becomes P v P which is part of day z wether right or wrong, he had every right to retaliate back

b] unfortunately 80+ of servers now encourage P v P KOS etc etc etc, it's become more and more prevelant in this game, will it stop nope not even in the Stand alone, might be harder but it's the nature of the players.

Exploiting Humanity Mechanics sounds like just killing to lower/higher your humanity to get either hero or bandit skin, i presume thats what the Admin was reffering to.

[devilsurn 7]

Some points about Origins I think people should know.

- To gain a hero skin you must kill bandits or zombies.

- To gain a bandit skin you must kill heroes/survivors (New spawns).

- To be able to build a house you must be a bandit or hero.

- The bigger the house the higher the level you need to be.

- You must first build a level 1 house before you can build a level 2 and so on for level 3 (I believe!).

- To be able to build a house you need a vehicle and storage space. Each house has different stages.

- The larger the house the more stages the more stages the more material you are going to need to fetch.

Conclusion:

The mechanics of Origins is designed for the purpose of PvP (Bandits Vs Heroes). I've spoke to so many bandits and they will tell you it isn't easy levelling as one as they need to avoid killing each other and zombies as by doing so would be detrimental to levelling. The only way they can level is by killing heroes & survivors.

It's my silliest ban. I believe the admin doesn't want bandits on his server which is kind of cheating. Although I was killed twice by bandits :P Sniff Sniff!! LOL!

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[Zypha 7]

As an admin on an Origins server I will just say that often there's clues to whether or not someone is farming humanity. However without having an admin map it's often difficult in proving that someone was. In all fairness it could just be a mis-communication, I'd suggest you get hold of the Admin/Owner and try to sort this out.

[Saethkept 134]

For those that think I'm a spawn killer I am not normally. Although I've been killed many times with little to no gear. It doesn't bother me. I accept this happens as I've come to terms that this will always happen. Nor does the ban bother me. It's certainly not a complaint as I'm guessing the Admin that owns this server has his reasons for doing it. The fact of the matter I was fresh and new to the server and died 2 times in a row before managing to get some kills back in. I accepted the challenge of PvP so it was game on.

Regardless of some peoples morality issues I was fresh and kept coming back for more simply because there wasn't anything to loose. They indeed had done the same. But being accused of “exploiting” When it could be correctly considered more as “Farming” or “Boosting” although in reality it was a PvP fight against to other unknown players. Clearly the Admin believes the mechanics of killing one another is an exploit. I personally don't care for humanity as I will shoot hero or bandit or newly spawn depending on the circumstances. I'm more of a marauder in game than anything else.

The point of this was to show that the ban is silly nothing more nothing less.

So I'm interested in hearing other stories that people have throughout DayZ!

One of the many common themes in DayZ is miscommunication - and it is a theme you come to recognize, experience and likely both not enjoy and possibly respect. Given the default tools available to us as players in the game, we are somewhat limited in how we can explain ourselves, make a case for mistaken actions and accidents and otherwise convey truth or logic to other players or server admins. In a real sense, I think that is an intended "consequence" serving to heighten the survival and isolation aspects of the game. However, it can also be plain frustrating at times.

Early in my DayZ career I was banned from a private Namalsk server for possessing a banned weapon which I had found at one of the static helicopter crashes. I was the only one on the server driving around in a yellow Ural when an admin started accusing me of the aforementioned violation of his rules. I stopped the vehicle, and as politely as possible made my case. He ... or she replied several times that I had "x" number of seconds to explain myself or be banned. Regardless of what I typed in chat, the countdown continued and I was banned. These things happen to all of us at some point, but the good news is there are many, many other servers on which to play.

[RJTurneR 112]

Ignore it. Rise above it.

Too many admins think it's so easy to be run a server, they don't realise the true responsabilities behind it. The fact he didn't allow you to explain yourself and just skipped judgement and banned you, suggests to me you were better of being banned and finding another server.

I once played on a server for many many months in a clan, we became the 'core' of the community on the server. One day, a hacker (A pretty dam good one of that for once...) starts tearing things up in the server, but who gets banned? All of us, the reason? "Dirty hacking clan".

The owner of the server banned the admin the next day due to poor judgement and failure to recognise the hacker, and we were re-instated. If the admins seem like they have no clue.. Stay away.

[s4pphire 45]

Are you seriously complaining that you got banned for spawnkilling?

Getting banned for spawn-killing is ridiculous; not to mention it wasn't even spawn-killing considering they were previously geared and thus being denied looting their gear.

If anything, it's a nice gesture not to kill a fresh spawn, not an obligation.

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

Don't see what is wrong with spawn killing. On the server I run, spawn killing is rampant, but not bannable nor kickable. I can honestly say I participate every once in awhile ;) I however, do not see it as 'killing bambis' or cheap play... I see it as motivation. You always see all these people attempting to gear up in Cherno or Elektro, they spawn, run there, stay there for a few hours, and then complain about how they are either killed or how they cannot find any loot. So we motivate them to go up north. Our server, is very fast paced, and PvP is a main concept.

I just don't see why all these people can complain about spawn killing. Everyone acts liek they don't constantly do it themselves. You know you're all guilty >_<

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

Ignore it. Rise above it.

Too many admins think it's so easy to be run a server, they don't realise the true responsabilities behind it. The fact he didn't allow you to explain yourself and just skipped judgement and banned you, suggests to me you were better of being banned and finding another server.

I once played on a server for many many months in a clan, we became the 'core' of the community on the server. One day, a hacker (A pretty dam good one of that for once...) starts tearing things up in the server, but who gets banned? All of us, the reason? "Dirty hacking clan".

The owner of the server banned the admin the next day due to poor judgement and failure to recognise the hacker, and we were re-instated. If the admins seem like they have no clue.. Stay away.

Amen brotha!

Too amny people jump into an admin role without even thinking of the responsibilities that come with it.

Personally, if I suspect a person is hacking, I always spectate them ingame, check their gear, watch the logs, and then if that presents reasonable suspicion, I'll turn on my handy little God-mode tool, TP to them, and talk to them over direct. Every four out of five times, it is usually a misunderstanding, I tell them to have fun, apologize, and be on my way.

[thelonewarrior 886]

Spawn killing isn't defined as killing people looting coastal towns

Spawn killing is sitting at a spawn point sniping them as soon as they join the server or having a team sitting along he coast killing then as they spawn

By the time they have reached a town thy are no longer really considered new spawns

If you just sit along the coast sniping people as they log in your just a loser who is too scared to go after armed players or you are just an asshole griefer

[devilsurn 7]

Whooohoooo! another Awesome Silly ban!

Picture A - The ban

I challenge the admin to submit the evidence!

Picture B - Their TeamSpeak!

Admin is [TKG]Terraknight

I was kicked because I was trapped. They'd accused me of "ESP hacking" (What ever that is) before the ban. In reality I was trapped by four or more guys in a school for 3 hours while they camped outside waiting for me to come out. Knowing they had a DMR and other guns covering the stairs from across the road (Power of third person) the only option I had was to wait them out or take them out if they decided to come in. The first picture shows Terraknight acting like a child because they new if they'd walked up those stairs they'd be dead. One way in one way out!

Nothing special here I was covering my own ass after being forced in the school to stop the bleeding. Hearing people move around and listening to multiple types of gun shots made it perfectly clear I was being hunted by more than one person. Picture B shows who was online at the time of the ban.

Instead of walking away I was kicked out of the game.

Terraknight cannot and will not play fair. If he's not restarting the server without warning with full knowledge of people flying about. He's banning people who out smart him. [TKG] also state that they restart the server at random. Sometimes it could be more than 20 times a day. Other times it could never happen. The reality is this! They restart the server when they want to the loot from sector B or to finish a house.

I salute the silliness!

I'm not mad.. I laugh at these types of people because they just wont play the game for the way it was designed to be played.

Edited May 26, 2013 by DevilsUrn

[terraknight 11]

If this is your final "Vengeance" upon us at TKG then so be it. I don't like to reply to these things cause it'll always end up with an argument so this is the only post I'll make.

First thing off, you're a smug ass. Noone of us wanted to admit it at your face, but every time you came into TS you acted like one and everyone knew about it except possibly yourself, that said we held in our irritation and let you be because you were enjoying the game.

After the weeks of playing with us, however, it's become pretty obvious that you use an ESP hack of sorts, evading any and all people hunting you and finding the best vehicles.

Sure, it can be thought "hey, Shroom is the best DayZ: Origins player around!" but when you always was the one to get the kills out of your team, always finding everyones bases (including the well hidden storage boxes, houses, tents etc.) and always finding the best vehicles around, its suspicious

We finally had enough when we for 3 hours straight were hunting you with 4 guys, all highly skilled and good hunters and you hid from them in EXACTLY the way so they would not be able to shoot you even when they spread out over a larger area. That being said, you could've just been an "extremely l33t guy with ub3r h4x0r skills" but no, from your attitude in teamspeak as well as playing style when in game we can rule out any possibility of that.

Not to mention the fact that when anyone approached you even abit or even when they shot at you, you did tend to combat-log which we did give you a stern warning for which also was given to "deaf-ears"

That about sums up why I personally banned you, but make no mistake, I was not even in the game, I was in teamspeak hearing it from the 4 people involved in hunting you and decided that you obviously is hacking.

I'd like to take this space to warn anyone of this person if he ever comes to your server as well.

Now, as I said, I usually don't post in these things, but I will not tolerate you giving slanderous speeches about TKGaming.

We've done Immidiate restarts (only Leavaris can do this) only if:

Everyone online is on TS and no others are on

There's a problem with the server

Else we do 15m warning script restarts every 8h or if someone has built their foundation and wanna continue building.

Mistakes have happened when people have not responded when asked if a restart is awright with them. but we've never started 20times in one day (most I know was one of the first days which people were building their houses, which probably was around 5-6)

The reason we state we "restart at random" is because there's way too many people that take our times, come on ONLY at that time, fly over to Sector B, loot it and then leave again,

Now, I have to say that I love the way you say you "challenged" the admins, when you only did this:

<08:39:21> "Shroom" connected to channel ".: :| TKG ARMA Community |::."

<08:39:41> "Shroom" pokes you: http://dayzmod.com/f...an-admin-ban/ Oh dear!

<08:39:41> "Shroom" disconnected (leaving)

(taken straight from TS)

Which was the only thing you did, you didn't talk it out, you didn't say anything, you just came in and poked me with this.

I gotta say tho, the way you picture me as a "Childish dick who loves to ruin peoples dayz" is kinda funny, cause that's more or less how the rest of us pictured you.

In any case, This is my first and last post in this discussion, you've been banned for obviously using ESP and that's final.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Terraknight

[DevilsUrn#1Fan 1]

All this Hostility to DevilsUrn is not on !! He is my mentor in DayZ & he's a very good one at that !!

I've learned everything that i know about DayZ from him, he's shown me how to camp correctly, how to boost, how to correctly give out valid seeming excuses when needed etc etc ...

Ive followed him day to day on DayZ & have monitored his paths on the game of how he steals & pillages everyone elses equipment as how he's told me before in his own words " Oh im a lazy sh#t bruv & can't bothered doing it myself init, so i just steel everyone elses bear gear & blame it on some other bandit chav !! safe blud "

His tactics in game are outstanding & he's the best person to pay for these elite moments & training, ive praise him on his teaching abilities & the fact that he offers out ESP hacks as a complimentry bonus to the training package is Amazing !!

I have nothing but good things to say about DevilsUrn & his SHROOM Dayz tag & i hope he can rise above the hurtfull comments from TKG & carry on giving out his lessons to other unexperienced DayZ players so he can create another generation of Noobs for everyone to kill & laugh at like himself.

Without further ado i leave this post with five simple words ..." Shroom Grow The F**K Up !!'

Edited May 26, 2013 by DevilsUrn#1Fan

[devilsurn 7]

Edited: Troll alert above message :emptycan:

“but when you always was the one to get the kills out of your team,

always finding everyones bases (including the well hidden storage boxes,

houses, tents etc.) and always finding the best vehicles around, its suspicious”

I do not cheat. Finding well hidden object and people is not cheating. I use tactics, knowledge and follow and listen stalk and observe a trait that comes from months of playing solo. It's not hard to do, you only need apply your self to the skills of observation and apply a reasonable degree in logic.

“We finally had enough when we for 3 hours straight were hunting you with 4 guys, all highly skilled and good hunters and you hid from them in EXACTLY the way so they would not be able to shoot you even when they spread out over a larger area.”

Avoidance isn't something that can be considered elite. It's using your brains listening for those acute sounds that make the difference. Zombie agro. Different types of gun sounds. Foot steps, breathing. The direction they were coming from and watching you from third person while remaining hidden. Working a way around you or going through you was being considered or simply waiting for that moment when you drop your guard before applying my self for a kill. But in this case I was camping and you all new where I was.

I new you guys were around because you all spawned in zombies. End of the day you failed to kill me legitimately. You lost your temper not because you think I'm a cheat. But because you suck at the game. Or thought it would be funny to ban me because you wanted to gain some respect from the idiots in TS (Speculation). This is why you people fail at the game and scream for those so called slanderous remarks. I personally witness you restart the server because the Zombie Hunter clan was in the air going to sector B. You've got a childish vindictive nature and you seriously need to act your age before acting on impulse - its a game for heavens sake. I've already reported that activity to GTXgaming. Also I've asked them for server logs to help prove I've never been kicked by BE for cheating.

“Not to mention the fact that when anyone approached you even abit or even when they shot at you, you did tend to combat-log”

Fictitious nonsense and contradictive to the fact you guys were hunting me for - what was that? 3 hours! So please before making up lies try not to look like a fool in the process. Let's not fail to mention that combat logging in Origins is impossible due to the fact the character remains in game for more than 20 seconds and if you kept an eye on the player list you would know you can rush in an kill them even if the person was offline.

“I personally banned you, but make no mistake, I was not even in the game,”

You were on your other account we all know you've got 2 of them it's no secret that you play with your self.. So that line will not stand.

You've banned me on circumstantial evidence a trait of a bad admin. Welcome to the sillies of bans. I will not be returning and will be recommending to everyone steer clear of that server. You guys suck so badly everyone is hacking or cheating or doing something suspicious. You need to use the admin powers to get your own way. I understand because you've clearly demonstrated the very definition of “nab”.

I've done nothing wrong to you or anyone else. I removed my self from TKG teamspeak not because of TKG.. But because of the crap TKG is currently attracting. Avoiding the unnecessary hassle and distractions. Clearly it was the right move.

I laugh in your face because that server is going to die from your own actions.

I've jioned a new bunch of lads to game with - they are training up well. We've gone against other clans and they at least show some respect even in the event of a wipe. Something TKG, ZnG and affiliates could maybe learn from.

Edited May 26, 2013 by DevilsUrn

[DevilsUrn#1Fan 1]

Yeah you go DevilsUrn !! You tell them who's boss !!

Even though ive seen you killed by almost every member of TKG or users of the TKG origins server i can near enough vouch for everything you've said above. Oh but you did teach me how to correctly " Combat Log" so that bit is partialy a lie aswell but yeah other than that good for you for passing on your skills & training up another bunch of "lads" so you can show them the way of your trade on how to be a Elite Noob, i hope we will meet again on an other server & that i can show you how to correctly play the game & show up you & your "lads"

Bring battle to the Shroom infidels !!

[devilsurn 7]

Please report the troll guys. :thumbsup: