Winchester vs Lee-Enfield

[Powell (DayZ) 734]

Winny winny

[fachii 31]

Good research. I like the Winchester when I don't want to attract much zombies and I use the Enfield for long ranged kills on players.

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

I've always been a winchester player its much better for those yolo hip fires whilst running through major cities

[taco241 393]

Excellent post.What's interesting is how they both perform as they should in RL. And this is what I appreciate about DayZ.

I own both an Enfield and a big-bore lever (Marlin, not Winchester but the stats are similar). I use the marlin as a "brush-buster". It's shorter, quicker handling, and wil cut through most saplings when hunting for deer. It'll also stop a vengeful bear which is a good possibility where I live.

I take the enfield into tree stands or when hunting open woods or fields. I did mount a scope on it.

Anyway, very happy to finally see a game that has weapons that instinctively behave like their RL counterparts.

And thanks Gews.

[-Gews- 7443]

Do you know something about the "fainting" system in dayz? I always had the impression that the winnie has a higher chance to let people pass out when you hit them once, but i never found any proof for this. I dont even know if the system is based on the projectile, the damage or whatever?

I wanted to answer this, but I didn't know :P I'm really not good with code, so forgive me if I'm wrong... but I think it works like this.

If it isn't a minor hit (legs, arms) and damage is greater than 2, you'll be knocked out (if it's not arms and legs, that leaves the torso). If it's a headshot you'll be knocked out with damage greater than 0.5.

So: going back to my log of the point-blank Lee-Enfield torso shot...

T=7.68 : [R 1-1-A:1,"",1.24218,R 1-1-A:2 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=7.68 : [R 1-1-A:1,"head_hit",0.50623,R 1-1-A:2 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=7.68 : [R 1-1-A:1,"body",2.19291,R 1-1-A:2 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=7.68 : [R 1-1-A:1,"hands",1.98289,R 1-1-A:2 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=7.68 : [R 1-1-A:1,"legs",0.0349212,R 1-1-A:2 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

You can see damage to the torso = 2.19291, which is >2, so that would be a knockout (damage is spread around a bit as you can see).

At least, that's my best guess at this moment, you might not want to take my word for it!

Anyways the Winchester does more damage than the Enfield at ranges under 50 meters, so in those ranges the chance of a knockout should be equal to or greater than the Enfield...

Here's two shots from a Winchester at 50m:

T=11.412 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.311387,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_1866_Slug"]

T=11.412 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",2.61743,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_1866_Slug"]

T=15.526 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.761245,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_1866_Slug"]

T=15.526 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",2.07606,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_1866_Slug"]

Here's two shots from an Enfield at 50m:

T=4.538 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.983775,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=4.538 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",1.69756,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=6.028 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.513027,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

T=6.028 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",2.05171,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_303_Ball"]

And here are two from an M16 at 50m:

T=12.079 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.240117,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_556x45_Ball"]

T=12.079 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",1.14876,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_556x45_Ball"]

T=7.124 : [R 1-1-B:1,"head_hit",0.164356,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_556x45_Ball"]

T=7.124 : [R 1-1-B:1,"body",1.25626,R 1-1-A:1 (Gews),"B_556x45_Ball"]

So according to my hunch (which could be completely wrong) the Enfield only knocked out 1 / 2 times (or is it 2 /2 times?), the Winchester did it both times and the M16 not at all.

I don't know about this... yesterday I shot a guy with a Winchester at under 50m and he wasn't knocked out, he put a couple 5.56 rounds into me (I killed him).

On the other hand, I could have hit his arms or even possibly his leg or thigh - I wasn't really paying attention to the exact location at the time. Maybe someone can test this out more...

Anyways it doesn't really translate to blood damage since it only counts damage to a specific part and ignores damage to others.

Edited May 12, 2013 by Gews

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[TG ! Jimmy 216]

Excellent post.What's interesting is how they both perform as they should in RL. And this is what I appreciate about DayZ.

I own both an Enfield and a big-bore lever (Marlin, not Winchester but the stats are similar). I use the marlin as a "brush-buster". It's shorter, quicker handling, and wil cut through most saplings when hunting for deer. It'll also stop a vengeful bear which is a good possibility where I live.

Thanks for unintentionally agreeing with my point B)

Cheers!

(I've also got a marlin, in .44mag although the .30-30 is far more common. Great gun, many a deer to it's name.) :beans:

[Crazy one 124]

They are the only 2 guns i carry in Day z, The Winchester for when i go loot hunting , its the perfect close quarters almost silent OHK on Zeds, the Lee Enfield for when i fancy using Zeds as target practice at 300m +,

[Saethkept 134]

Thanks for unintentionally agreeing with my point B)

Cheers!

(I've also got a marlin, in .44mag although the .30-30 is far more common. Great gun, many a deer to it's name.) :beans:

For Whitetail and Black Bear I prefer the Marlin .35 Remington, however the .30-30 is the quintessential brush gun around these parts.

In game the Winchester and the Lee Enfield serve different roles - in my opinion. For stationary ranged work with nothing else available, I would choose the Enfield. For scouting, or reaction to contact it'd be the Winchester.

[dgeesio 1034]

its this simple you find a winchester pop people close for everrything else you use a lee enfield and if you can aim its one of the best weapons in game . i prefer it too scoped guns no zoom up instant death with good shooting.

lee enfiled is best.

[Cap'n (DayZ) 1827]

I prefer the CZ 550 to both, but I'd take the Lee Enfield over the Winchester any day.

[m.cab 83]

I prefer the CZ 550 to both, but I'd take the Lee Enfield over the Winchester any day.

Yeah, also love the CZ but its so bad for the Zeds... ):