BullPups...those sexy....sexy bullpups

[-Gews- 7443]

What's the deal with people wanting advanced American and British weapons in DayZ. It's an ex-russian state, there will be hardly any of these types of weapons,unless made in Russia or by an ally, even in military facilities.

Whenever I consider a weapon I think about what we actually see being used in those regions, and what would likely be found there... I don't like the idea of a random pot-pourri of tacticool weapons. That seems like something that belongs in CoD or Battlefield or Rainbow Six, and that works well there, but not in something going for an immersive and realistic world.

Eg, sure the Remington MSR and the Micro-Tavor are cool rifles, but I don't think they belong in DayZ.

[-Guardian- 206]

Whenever I consider a weapon I think about what we actually see being used in those regions, and what would likely be found there... I don't like the idea of a random pot-pourri of tacticool weapons. That seems like something that belongs in CoD or Battlefield or Rainbow Six, and that works well there, but not in something going for an immersive and realistic world.

Eg, sure the Remington MSR and the Micro-Tavor are cool rifles, but I don't think they belong in DayZ.

There are Russian made bullpups as pointed out earlier though. OTS-14 i think someone has stated already

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Whenever I consider a weapon I think about what we actually see being used in those regions, and what would likely be found there..

9 times out of 10 I'll go for realistic features over "coolness". When it affords us more choice and variety in terms of gear, loadouts and playstyles though, I'm more willing to exercise suspension of disbelief.

It's a fine line between adding a bit of colour and falling into ridiculousness, but IMO It's not too much of a stretch to put some unlikely items in-game to stop it becoming repetitive and predictable.

[Dylanco1 10]

Say Im going to nip this quickly but Bullpups Might be slightly more accurate when it comes to full auto fire and smaller (The barrel starts before the trigger so you need a smaller external) but most bullpups are American or British the L85 for example is in use by British Cadet Organisations and the amount of work to get it to work are ridiculous its also alot easier to break and did I mention that it's not a gun that likes being dealt with quickly also Just because they are sexy doesnt mean they need to be added you dont see me Demanding animations for bolt action weapons so they look cool or demanding an RPG because my rifle cant take out the engine on the vehicle I want to randomly attack. Also in my opinion we need the AS50 removing and more Civilian grade weapons with Military "Full Auto" Ak's for example being really rare outside of the Camped Army bases and so people get more Semi-Auto Variations or Bolt action/Pump Action weapons around

Edited April 23, 2013 by Dylanco1

[Rekli 995]

Say Im going to nip this quickly but Bullpups Might be slightly more accurate when it comes to full auto fire and smaller (The barrel starts before the trigger so you need a smaller external) but most bullpups are American or British the L85 for example is in use by British Cadet Organisations and the amount of work to get it to work are ridiculous its also alot easier to break and did I mention that it's not a gun that likes being dealt with quickly also Just because they are sexy doesnt mean they need to be added you dont see me Demanding animations for bolt action weapons so they look cool or demanding an RPG because my rifle cant take out the engine on the vehicle I want to randomly attack. Also in my opinion we need the AS50 removing and more Civilian grade weapons with Military "Full Auto" Ak's for example being really rare outside of the Camped Army bases and so people get more Semi-Auto Variations or Bolt action/Pump Action weapons around

Thx for reading my post (Le sarcasm)

1 when did i suggest the l85?...i just showed you a bunch of bull-pups

2.They should be doing bolt action animations and Rpgs are in the game anyway

4.why remove it? "because its too OP"? that's why it's rare and even so DMRs and M1017s are still there...are you suggesting we remove every sniper from the game?...except the CZ

3.Russian citizens can buy smoothbore shotguns, gas pistols or revolvers shooting rubber bullets

Hey guys, wanna here this genius' suggestion?....rubber bullets and non-lethal rounds and a rare chance of an AK.....

Edited April 24, 2013 by NeedzBeanz

[-Gews- 7443]

Chernarus isn't Russia. Full-auto AKs would be far, far more common than semi-auto AKs. Look at any recent war in those regions, rag tag groups of fighters with Kalashnikovs and other Soviet weapons.

[leviski 2152]

Sorry to say but those guns you posted are already in the game

[enforcer1975 1111]

Bullpups are not very "hi-tech", it's just you can have a longer barrel + shorter weapon length.

Bullpup rifles could get more interesting in SA if they actually make shorter weapons use less slots in inventories.

The L85 is just around 5cm shorter than the M4...

Yep, i guess too that FN P90 looks interesting and might pass fine in game setting, as "personal defense weapon" . Moreover, it is used in some Eastern European countries, at least in Ukraine, Poland and the Czech Republic. Though perhaps not in large numbers.

Yes..."the numbers" which you can't reproduce in DayZ since resources are endless...where there will be 10000000000000000 AS 50 eventually...

I really wouldn't mind a FEW bullpups. The styer AUG would be a wonderful gun (Our current Army uses it).

Wait...you switch Armies every now and then? :huh:

Edited April 25, 2013 by Enforcer

[radivmoe 47]

1. i aint seen it anywhere...or in lets plays

2.why dafuq not?!

i've had like 5 L85A2 HOLO rifles. you are just unlucky.

[-Gews- 7443]

The L85 is just around 5cm shorter than the M4...

Yup, and with the stock retracted, the M4 is a bit shorter than the L85, so there, you Brits :) An AK with an under-folding stock is shorter than both, anyways. The nice thing about the L85 is the 20 inch barrel which will give you roughly ~200 ft/s higher muzzle velocity compared to the M4, which means the rounds will shoot flatter and will be more likely to fragment at much longer ranges, which is very important.

[radivmoe 47]

the problem with bullpops are that lefthanded people get the bullet casings launched into their faces.

[declan223@gmail.com 271]

Well there are these things called crash sites, loaded with foreign weapons http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/106175-different-types-of-crash-sites

[gregor (DayZ) 95]

the problem with bullpops are that lefthanded people get the bullet casings launched into their faces.

The FN P90 and FN F2000 don't have this problem.

[gregor (DayZ) 95]

Yes..."the numbers" which you can't reproduce in DayZ since resources are endless...where there will be 10000000000000000 AS 50 eventually...

What mean endless resources? Really, i am curious, why anti-materiel rifles are so frequent in Chernarus. There isn't even large cities, with tall buildings, there isn't large deserted areas and

really high mountains. And why someone thinks, that in Eastern Europe is they in large numbers. That's very specific guns. With many disadvantages and limits.

But if we will see in SA a normal fog, variable wind, proper weight system etc, then we will see also more logic in human behavior.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I'm talking about the amount of loot that is gathered in a certain amount of time and because it is respawned either by the server in SA or on every restart the resources are "endless". If you have a chance of 0,1% of finding an AS50 on every server on each restart multiply it with the number of servers which are connected to eachother so basically nothing stays where it spawned server wise then you have the amount that will be circulating until they despawn for a reason. And the percentage is not really low because even if you give something a very low percentage it's not really that amount, we tested it with weather conditions already and even after decreasing the possibility of rain to a very very very low minimum ( f.e. 1 in 50 random weather cases ) it was still raining a lot during a game day. So the chances of a certain spawn are much larger than the percentage written.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Enforcer

[Chaingunfighter 917]

look how awesome these are compared to normal guns.....and you know.....weapon variety

so ADD THEM! RAGH!

(of course we dont want airsoft weapons, this is just the only pic of the Sa80 family)

If you're going to add bullpups, add the Groza-1 or the OC-14 rifles (based on the AK), they would make much more sense than random British L85s which really don't have any necessary appearance in DayZ at all.