US2253

[danile666 6]

I was randomly banned from this server for script#20. 15 other people were simultaneously kicked for the same issue. I had done nothing wrong, and need the ban lifted.

[beastoverlord 574]

Ask them, not the people here. They are the ones that have to lift it.

[danile666 6]

It is against the rules for them to ban people like this. So dayz can force them to lift the ban or face blacklisting. So I am bringing it up here. also:

17:14 <Strikes> I've been running these servers for probably 8 months now.

17:14 <Strikes> So tone it down. I know who I have to speak with and what to do to verify/un-verify a possible hack. 17:14 <danile666> You cant ban for flawed script detection

17:14 <danile666> its in the rules

17:14 <Strikes> So grow/learn some patience

17:14 <danile666> only dayz can ban us

17:14 <danile666> so you are banning against the rules

17:14 <Strikes> Umm I have to first VERIFY that they're FLAWED script detection

17:14 <danile666> you cant ban for scripting

17:14 <danile666> only dayz can

17:14 <danile666> so you an verify anything

17:15 <danile666> cant*, you can submit that I was scripting and ask for a ban

17:15 <Strikes> Because these scripts are pulled straight from Dwarden's (who is the dev of DayZ/BI) github 17:15 <danile666> but you cant ban upfront

17:15 <danile666> dayz did not issue the ban

17:15 <danile666> your server did

17:15 <Strikes> If that was the case; then you'd never be able to play a game of dayz because hackers would be all over it. 17:16 <Strikes> "DayZ" themselves stopped developing the game; if you pay attention to anything at all.

17:16 <danile666> I am just frustrated to get banned for no reason like this. We have been playing for a few days on this server, just came back, and found a car we have been trying to repair and get going...

17:16 <danile666> yes, I understand that, but they still state that server admins cant just ban people

17:16 <danile666> its in that thread

17:16 <danile666> on the dayz forums

17:16 <Strikes> Again; I'm not having this conversation with you. I know exactly what I have to do. So you can grow some patience while I look into the issue, LIKE I AM SUPPOSED TO DO. You keep pissing me off and I won't

17:16 <danile666> about what to do if you suspect a hacker

17:17 <Strikes> Understand this.

IRC logs. The dayz server hosting rules clearly state that tyhey must submit evidence to dayz of a hacker, that they cannot just ban people. This is wrong, and they need to lift these bans that were due to faulty script detection. I am not globally banned, and I am not banned by battle eye...

Edited January 21, 2013 by danile666

[Experament0236 1]

I was on the server when it happened and Like 3 or 4 people were banned at the same time for the same script

[terrorizer33 131]

Im not affiliated with this server nor do I know it, but I do know that us admins are struggling to keep our servers hack free. So most of us use all means possible to automate the banning of hackers. Sometimes unfortunately legit players get banned cause of these automated anti-hack scripts/software. The admin of this server asks for some time to figure out what went wrong. Trust me figuring this stuff out does cost alot of time. You're kind of demanding things but you're not really in the position to demand things. You'll just have to wait untill they figured out what (or if something) went wrong. Patience is key! (and being polite works alot better too :P)

[danile666 6]

Or I can continue to post about him violating his tos to host a server by banning without approval

[terrorizer33 131]

Or I can continue to post about him violating his tos to host a server by banning without approval

You mean continue like a spoilt kid who just had his candy taken from him? I think he already mentioned he'll look into this?! Apparently (looking at your signature) you've had/have your own server, so you should know how things are normally dealt with.. Plus it's not even a manual admin ban... it was an automated 1 which might even take more time to look into... Just saying...

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Or I can continue to post about him violating his tos to host a server by banning without approval

If you admin a server yourself you'll know that automatic script restrictions can take a while to sort out and it takes time to go through the logs and pick apart what happened. In that time it's best to be patient.

As I see it the admin is doing his best to act responsibly, he has asked you to be patient while he goes through the logs which is very time consuming. If you admin a server yourself you should know all of this anyway.

You have 2 choices. Wait for the admin to check his logs and come to a conclusion or move on and play on one of the thousands of other servers out there.

Edited January 22, 2013 by Fraggle

[danile666 6]

Well, I have admined servers for dayz before, and this admins refusing to lift bans caused me to get my own server again. Also Fraggle...if you look at your own rules posted on the forums you represent with your blue text you will clearly see that it says for an admin to deal with hackers they must obtain proof and submit it to the dayz team, and that they cannot outright ban without approval. So, next time you give your advice on something like this please keep it within the confines that are set for the server admins.

Also this admins attitude is what is wrong with the community, and why there is so much hate out there towards admins. He could care less about the public server, as he stated iin the other post. He just wants people in his private server where they have to register with his community.

[terrorizer33 131]

Also this admins attitude is what is wrong with the community, and why there is so much hate out there towards admins. He could care less about the public server, as he stated iin the other post. He just wants people in his private server where they have to register with his community.

lol the convo you posted doesnt show anything wrong with his attitude.. it shows there's something wrong with yours. He asked you polite to be patient which you ignored and demanded a sollution. Hackers mess this game up bigtime and sometimes innocent people get banned (apparently like yourself). Appealing is your only way forward, being a dick and demanding things isnt a good way forward. Like Fraggle said if you think the verification of the flawed takes too long, find another server..

[danile666 6]

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/119003-us2253/#entry1131777

This is what I was referring to...Specifically:

We, as administrators, do not play on our servers; nor do we care, or have the time, to wonder around on our servers banning people like assholes.

Also I would like to point out:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/55657-start-here-a-beginners-guide-to-dayz-servers-and-administration/#entry532201

Battling Hackers / Exploiters

What you should know

Server Administrators have to follow very stringent rules for what they can and cannot do when it comes to hackers.

BattlEye is not a secure anti-cheat system. It trusts the client (a players computer) more than it should.

Currently, here's how the process works for being able to ban a confirmed hacker:

1. Record the hacker as they are hacking via FRAPS, PlayClaw, or whatever video capture software you may use. This can come from players on your server.
   
2. Find out the Username of the Hacker in question
   
3. Parse the log files. Find any references to the Player in question
   
4. Take both the visual and text evidence to the DayZ staff
   

Obviously, if you've read the forum, a lot of Server Administrators take issue with these rules. This is because the process is lengthy and because everyone this day and age likes to see immediate response, its obviously a problem. Now, with that said, it's understandable that Admins and players alike want something done immediately when a hacker kills everyone on a server.

There are, however, ways of combating hackers without breaking the rules

• Shut the server down IMMEDIATELY - This will most likely end up in a Hive rollback and any users who died will most likely get their gear back. THIS IS NOT FOOLPROOF. IT DOES NOT WORK ALL THE TIME.
  
• Social Engineering - Befriend the hacker. Get them on your side.
  
• Do your research. Look on Hack sites. Sign up for forums and learn how they hack. Don't sit on the DayZ Forums and gripe about how hackers are a huge problem and there's nothing that we can do about them. We can DO WHAT WE CAN because WE MUST.
  
• more to come!
  

This is why I take exception. Ths is a stickied post about the rules that admins need to follow...If the rule was ban when you feel like it, I would have walked away and forgot about it. But the fact of the matter was that the rules state to send info in about hackers, not to ban them outright. Also, it is worth pointing out that I am no longer banned from those servers. The ban was lifted shortly after posting in this thread, and the other thread.

[terrorizer33 131]

He already explained what he meant with this:

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We, as administrators, do not play on our servers; nor do we care, or have the time, to wonder around on our servers banning people like assholes.

As in they've got better things to do then randomly ban people for no reason. What part of his explanation did you not understand?

And, again, it was an automated ban... Automated as in they've got a script running on the their server which bans people for doing something that can be classified as hacking/scripting.

Im kind of missing the point here... did you just say you were unbanned from that server? If so, why the hell do you keep posting about this... I'd say game on and chill out... No wonder that admin was getting fed up with you... lol...

[danile666 6]

We, as administrators, do not play on our servers; nor do we care

Edited January 25, 2013 by danile666

[terrorizer33 131]

Nvm this isnt going anywhere... obiously you can't read... :)

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

So just to clarify your ban was promptly lifted after the admin had had a chance to check his logs (as he said he would in his first message to you) and look into the the auto-ban? Nice one. Case closed

Locked.

Edited January 28, 2013 by Fraggle