Disappointment (warning: pointless!)

[Hooveh 1]

If you don't like listening to complaining, whining, or any other form of pointless distaste, please do not read this thread. You have been warned. Flaming me because I made a thread stating how I had an unfortunate first 5 hours of DayZ is completely unnecessary. No one forced you to read this thread.

DayZ has given me nothing but a barrage of bad first-impressions. When I first joined, I had an... interesting few hours of playing (mostly involving me not finding a weapon for a couple hours, seeing someone with an assault rifle, and running like crazy). After having a surprisingly fun time, I decided to shut the game down and make a forum post stating what I did as a newbie.

But this is where the fun ended.

The forum post got horrible feedback, partially because I DC'd from zombies about halfway. People began to call me a "noob" (which is one of the stupidest insults out there), and after I replied with equal distaste, people claimed they were "just trying to help me". Why did I even bother?

The next day, I had a lot of trouble getting DayZ to start. I was using the Six Updater (not the new, easy-to-use one), and after a couple hours, finally got it to work. When I returned to the game, it was very frustrating, an really no fun at all. After being destroyed by a group of zombies that I thought I could take on with a Makarov, I ragequit the game for a few months.

After seeing some YouTube videos of DayZ, I decided to give it another shot. I really wanted to like this game... but it just wasn't for me. I hoped to change that, and learn to like DayZ. Just yesterday, I downloaded ArmA II: Combined Operations again in hopes of finding a good experience in DayZ. It wasn't so bad, since I knew a little more about what I was doing.

In the chat, I noticed an obvious hacker by the name of ">!". Not only was he killing people left and right with insanely good weaponry, but even when he was killed, he instantly continued his bloodshed rampage. I didn't pay a lot of attention to this. I mostly thought "I'm still pretty far south, so I doubt he'll come over here just to kill new characters".

Later, a couple people seemed to be makign a deal with him. Why would a hacker that can instantly obtain virtually anything in the game make a deal with anyone? Feeling confident, I warned them in the chat that ">!" is a threat, and shouldn't be trusted. A few seconds later, he says "hooveh say goodbye 2 ur life".

I didn't even get the chance to insult his grammar. He teleports to me, and takes a shot with his sniper rifle. Seeing him miss, it occurs to me that the term "conserving ammunition" is meaningless to someone that can just spawn more. Running at him with my hatchet (my Makarov was out of ammo, and I assumed it wouldn't do a lot of damage), he teleports further away and kills me.

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All in all, I'm not too happy with my DayZ experience. I know that most of the problems I've come across aren't really DayZ's fault, so I apologize I made it seem as if I blamed it for everything. I've already ragequit once, and I'll certainly ragequit many more times in the future. Yes, I'm going to continue playing, because I'm determined to like this game. And I'd certainly rather play this than WarZ.

I can only assume that it's common for the first 6 hours of DayZ to be tough.

[EDIT]: Looking back at it, this thread is kind of stupid. I'll update the OP, changing the parts that may appear to be immature. Also, I guess I can't blame BattlEye on the hackers... every game has them.

[EDIT]: Put the post in a spoiler. I can't think that this will stop too many people from reading it, but maybe it will make people more likely to read the warning at the top of the page.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Hooveh

[Skat3rat 1633]

Well let me explain in short how the Arma engine works.

The Arma engine is designed to allow the user to do pretty much what ever he/she wants. That is the extremely short description of what the Arma engine is like. If you want to know more about it and in depth you can search the forums for a thread about it.

Anyways, because of this, hackers and script kiddies don't have much of an issue of hacking. All they have to do is run a script and, boom! what ever he just ran happened because the Arma engine doesn't question what the user is doing. It just allows it.

Battleye's job is to stop the scripting and hacking by hackers as much as possible without doing anything to the Arma engine. They can only do this to a certain point and are doing quite well at it too.

[colekern 1364]

Calling a new player a noob for making a mistake is stupid. You won't see me do that.

Anyways, you need to play on a whitelisted private hive: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/92982-community-private-hive-server-listing/page__view__getnewpost

As for Battleye... Well its not battleyes fault its arma's hack friendly engine. Battleye is the best we're going to get because it's built for arma.

Arma's engine, in the script friendly sense, isn't bad... For Arma. Arma was designed for a small, mature community, and then DayZ happened, and they were completely vulnerable.

Edited December 31, 2012 by colekern

[Dr Wasteland MD 597]

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[herbster 34]

Trying not to flame here, but ragequitting shows a distinct lack of maturity. I honestly don't know how anyone can ragequit for a few months after being killed by a group of NPC's (zombies). Personally I'd say that DayZ or any game that involves losing equipment (or the potential to) through death isn't your cup of tea.

As far as hackers are concerned, I've had a few issues, mainly when I started a couple of months ago. Now I rarely see any, but that's not to say they aren't there.

If you are determined to stay, a bit of advice, if you know there's a hacker on your server, login to another server. Complaining when you get killed by said hacker is a bit stupid. Of course all hackers should be kneecapped IMO.

[Hooveh 1]

Thanks for the helpful replies, everyone. Keep in mind that I'm not so new anymore, but again, I appreciate the help.

Trying not to flame here, but ragequitting shows a distinct lack of maturity. I honestly don't know how anyone can ragequit for a few months after being killed by a group of NPC's (zombies).

Allow me to phrase it differently, then: I ragequitted, and didn't feel like playing DayZ again for a while. Anyway, I like to play a variety of games.

[herbster 34]

How about instead of ragequitting (holding nothing of any value?!?!) you invest some time working out how the zombie aggro mechanics work.

I know that a game has far more longevity for me when I learn the mechanics rather than being given everything on a plate.

BTW, there are starter servers that provide weapons for new spawns.

My advice, stay away from town or villages and concentrate on getting your starter gear from barns and deer stands. Probably the most important weapon to get 1st of all for a survivor is a hatchet. This can one shot a zombie and is silent.

I really don't know why you created this thread though as you now say you're not so new anymore - you should know all this!!!

Finally, how about learning to control your temper?

[Hooveh 1]

How about instead of ragequitting (holding nothing of any value?!?!) you invest some time working out how the zombie aggro mechanics work.

I know that a game has far more longevity for me when I learn the mechanics rather than being given everything on a plate.

BTW, there are starter servers that provide weapons for new spawns.

My advice, stay away from town or villages and concentrate on getting your starter gear from barns and deer stands. Probably the most important weapon to get 1st of all for a survivor is a hatchet. This can one shot a zombie and is silent.

I really don't know why you created this thread though as you now say you're not so new anymore - you should know all this!!!

Finally, how about learning to control your temper?

I suppose the flamers were going to arrive sooner or later.

- I said that the game was frustrating for me when I played it a second time. I didn't quit playing JUST because I was killed by zombies. Anyway, that was when I was completely new. So even though I know a thing or two about zombie mechanics now, I didn't at the time. Seriously, was the OP that hard to understand?

- I think I controlled my temper fairly well, seeing how I was able to make a post that didn't sceam "THIS GAME IS HORRIBLE BECAUSE I'M BAD AT IT!". While one might think I said exactly that, I'd like to point out that I said it in a fairly calm manner.

- The thread is literally titled "Disappointment (warning: pointless!)". I want to make it very clear that no one forced you to read the whole thing.

[dallas 5195]

One of the great things about WarZ is it completely lacks enough content to require any learning from the player. If you can operate a mouse, you're winner too.

DayZ/ArmA however.

If you can't use cover and concealment, you're gonna have a bad time.

If you can't navigate using the sun's position or the stars, you're gonna have a bad time.

If you can't read a map, bad, baaad time.

If you don't know anything about shooting, bad, baaad, bad time.

If you're not willing to learn, guess what? Yes, you're gonna less than a good time.

[Hooveh 1]

One of the great things about WarZ is it completely lacks enough content to require any learning from the player. If you can operate a mouse, you're winner too.

DayZ/ArmA however.

If you can't use cover and concealment, you're gonna have a bad time.

If you can't navigate using the sun's position or the stars, you're gonna have a bad time.

If you can't read a map, bad, baaad time.

If you don't know anything about shooting, bad, baaad, bad time.

If you're not willing to learn, guess what? Yes, you're gonna less than a good time.

As I said: I'd rather play this than WarZ. It looks far more broken than DayZ, and its devs absolutely disgust me.

If I wasn't willing to learn, I would have stuck with easy shooters like Call of Duty.

[Willard1118 31]

I suppose the flamers were going to arrive sooner or later.

Didn't seem like a flame to me, just a suggestion.

Anyway, part of the fun of dayz for a beginner is looting towns full of zombies.

Just find a low population server and get to looting. when you feel like zombies

aren't a problem anymore try a high population server.

that's how I did it, and I didn't have too much problems with hackers on the smaller servers.

[Hooveh 1]

Didn't seem like a flame to me, just a suggestion.

Anyway, part of the fun of dayz for a beginner is looting towns full of zombies.

Just find a low population server and get to looting. when you feel like zombies

aren't a problem anymore try a high population server.

that's how I did it, and I didn't have too much problems with hackers on the smaller servers.

Thanks for the tip. I guess I should be going to smaller servers, if I want to avoid PVP battles.

Also, it seemed like a flame to me. I don't know, maybe anything that isn't sugar-coated is a flame to me. But he could have been a bit more polite about his suggestion.

[hogeyman 1]

Thats exactly how I felt when I started. I was constantly being killed by hackers and people killing new spawns. So I decided to play on a private hive. THEY'RE 10x BETTER THAN REGULAR SERVERS! First of all: 60 people are usually on them, Custom loot tables, new vehicles, overpowered weapons are banned (such as the AS50, and DMR), and better hack protection. You'll get better though it just takes time :)

[Hooveh 1]

Thats exactly how I felt when I started. I was constantly being killed by hackers and people killing new spawns. So I decided to play on a private hive. THEY'RE 10x BETTER THAN REGULAR SERVERS! First of all: 60 people are usually on them, Custom loot tables, new vehicles, overpowered weapons are banned (such as the AS50, and DMR), and better hack protection. You'll get better though it just takes time :)

Hey, thanks! I guess I haven't given much thought as to what server I'd play on, so long as it's in my country.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure the hacker that killed me was using the DMR. He also seemed to be using a Makarov, which I can only assume was the default name for whatever overpowered (custom) sidearm he used.

[colekern 1364]

About your edits: we completely understand, man. We all make pointless threads from time to time.

Man, if we could delete our old threads...

[chaoseffect 18]

My beginner Dayz experience wasn't frustrating in the least because a friend of mine got me into it, and he'd been playing alone for about a month or so (and as such learned by trial and error for me ;p). But yeah, the amount of hackers do make things rediculous; a lot of servers I try to get on immediately kick me for a script restriction (no idea why) so I found a list of 5 or so that I bounce between and lately they've been infested with spawned buildings (the two door industrial warehouse mostly), battleships, and the standard killing arena on the NWAF. One thing that makes it tolerable is looking over quite often and seeing another global ban...

I would try a private hive if you're new, but for me I'm lazy and I <3 my hero skin so I don't want to start over >_<