L85 Should it stay or go

[NoyZ (DayZ) 66]

Well,you can ambush the revolver player quite easily if you spot him from afar with the thermal and kill him with another thing, is what i used to do when i had the L85 at hand.

It's funny right? A few of the whiners are saying how it sucks as a weapon and they only use it as a spotter. What then would be the difference between the gun and the hand-held? The hand-held version would take up much less space making it EVEN MORE op. LMAO!! Not EVEN going to happen.

I just can't believe how some players will try to rationalize ANYTHING to get what they want.

@Azrail The mods and/or devs feel different. It was taken out BEFORE this pole. I think it was a nice courtesy they did for us but it only reflected what ALREADY happened. I'll side with them on this. mmmmk?

This thread was about leaving or taking the L85 out of the game. Another thread to stand on its own should have been made about the other subject. I didn't agree with it being discussed here. I take it you disagree and thats fine. :lol:

Edited December 3, 2012 by NoyZ

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

Well you know what's going to be next, now all the whiners will move onto getting 50cals removed, then the next weapon that their all getting killed by and the next and the next.

Like I said time to leave daymod to the n00bs, we've got our private hive that we run our way with all the weapons we want in the game so they can shove their updates as we are just adding back what they remove :thumbsup:

@fapnapkin poll is closed, biased poll is biased as the only people around here are whiners and admins as the people that do not have an issue with the L85 are not here, there enjoying the mod.

It's laughable that a few 100 votes can decide such a major change in a community of 1.3million players!

The majority voted to have a broken tool which actually made the game EASIER to play removed, and you're calling them the "noobs"?

Boy, I bet you're really going to be pissed when you find out Rocket is also going to remove the 20 Kill Streak Nuke perk.

[Zeppa 562]

No, not me, but you and all the other whiners.

As a part of team i'll be protected by my buddies, but pussies without thermal or good team still will be teared in pile of wet rags by ghilied snipers with .50 cal.

Enjoy.

Yes, im doing alot of whining. Seems like you have a problem with thermal being removed, have fun learning to live without it... some have done so from the beginning. Now you and your "team" will be in the pile of wet rags because you dont have your thermal.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Zeppa

[Azrail (DayZ) 211]

I didn't agree with it being discussed here. I take it you disagree and thats fine. :lol:

hell yea i disagree.

it's a suggestion towards the topic, so if YOU disagree with said discussion, why even take part in it?

but the discussion is already no longer one, just the same moot point being repeated again and again

campers complaining they can't camp in peace with their ghillie+as50 and kill everything in sight within 1km out.

[BAPBAP 11]

@NoyZ, i don't care too much about your demagogy style discussion, you just don't catch the point, or playing dumb. Maybe sometime you'll get it right.

Problem is not in L85, but in some fundamental basics of the game.

Usual rooftop PK sniper scans horizont withn L85, find a noob cap, switch to .50cal, shoot'em and scans for another cap. Don't ever bother for loot victim or capture damaged vehicle. What's motivation of this sniper?

IMHO theres a such factors as:

- easy accessible hitech gear through duping;

- easy accessible ammo through rearrange bug;

- absense of long term goals (motivation to teamwork);

- absense of ties to specifical server(except nonhive servers, hideout or something);

- ineffective communication options (notes, radio);

- easymode zombies.

While we have this all - we everytime will have sniper, who just get bored and have "OP guns" and infinite ammo. He had no other reason to shoot anyone, but tries to entertain yourself.

If duping and inventory bugs will be fixed - numbers of hitech gear and ammo will fade to planned in loot sheet probability level. No more "everyone has NVG, rangefinder,.50cal, L85" issue. You get only what you found or trade.

Long term work motivate to teamwork. Teams can handle pointless rooftop shooters easily. Cpt O.

More communication options (like radio) will give opportunity of spontaneous teamwork. It completely changes the game in more positive way.

To realise this thing in mod devs need to do a extencive work, but they want to go a "easymode way" - just cut the options off completely.

This is way to dead end for the game, but a good for box office.

[BAPBAP 11]

Yes, im doing alot of whining. Seems like you have a problem with thermal being removed, have fun learning to live without it... some have done so from the beginning. Now you and your "team" will be in the pile of wet rags because you dont have your thermal.

If you'll read my posts again, you'll see, that i don't have any problems with thermal removal, and i'm worry only about crybabies making hardcore survival mod looks like deer hunter simulator or social network with 3D interface.

But hey, aren't you The Enlightened Guy, who lecture me and takes my words way too personally in General discussion section L85 topic? If you the one - i'm not surprised.

[evoxtom 142]

Remove, along with AS50. Replace with the G36 or Mk12 SPR.

Edited December 3, 2012 by evoxtom

[Burt_Reynolds 15]

Replace for the L85A2 with SUSAT battle sights

This is the best option. No thermal please.

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

No, not me, but you and all the other whiners.

good team still will be teared in pile of wet rags by ghilied snipers with .50 cal.

With a statement like that, you obviously haven't been part of a good team yet, so you really shouldn't be speaking on their behalf.

[Tourdion 11]

To realise this thing in mod devs need to do a extencive work, but they want to go a "easymode way" - just cut the options off completely.

This is way to dead end for the game, but a good for box office.

Things like the L85 lack proper countermeasures, like short life batteries, for example. I disagree with removal being the "easy way", though. I think its the only way in the current state of the mod.

Thermal can return to the mod once appropiate mechanics are implemented -batteries, variation of heath signature depending of various factors, like rain- I can understand people being passionate about their preferences, but we all should remember that the mod evolves (slowly, but it does) and there's nothing written on stone.

[Zeppa 562]

If you'll read my posts again, you'll see, that i don't have any problems with thermal removal, and i'm worry only about crybabies making hardcore survival mod looks like deer hunter simulator or social network with 3D interface.

But hey, aren't you The Enlightened Guy, who lecture me and takes my words way too personally in General discussion section L85 topic? If you the one - i'm not surprised.

Havent taken anything personally, except the lines that you have directly pointed to me (me and the other whiners)

As I am no whiner, nor Im a "sitting duck". I have never been killed by a camping ghillie sniper with .50 cal. Most of those that you refer "sitting ducks" are doing it wrong, standing on the hospital roofs, running across the fields, proning through cities and so on.

You still seems to have issue it being removed, even tho you claim otherwise... and game if far from being things that you "worry" about. Insecurity would be the word for people whining about it being removed.

And seems like you took the first thing too personally, as I said "If you are sitting duck, you are doing it wrong." which was not directed to you and the "you" was to people in general, Im sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

ps.

And I havent encountered singe L85 person never, so Im not whining because of that neighter. I have used one and found it OP... like guy above states.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Zeppa

[AmberHelios 2071]

if you look at the change log it has already gone been replaced by the holo version

https://github.com/R4Z0R49/DayZMod/blob/1.7.5/Documentation/Changelog.md

[platecloak 14]

Add nukes, but make them very, very rare and require batteries.

Edited December 3, 2012 by platecloak

[Texas Ranger 5]

why dont u give this option to server admins?

I have used it maybe 2 times but i havent got a problem... its just noobs who get killed anyway are moaning!

[itsfuckingjoe 0]

Remove. And I like the idea of having no night vision, or making night vision goggles extremely rare. But at that cost more weapons should have a flashlight attached to it, along with a helmet or hat (or something) to keep the flashlight glowing in the ahead path so that running with a flashlight is not so bad.

[kumiiyo 11]

I have 4 of them... we use them in combination with our snipers... one person with the thermal rifle, one with a rangefinder and another with an M107.... works wonders!

this is exactly why any thermal scoped gun should go. if it's in the guns list it can be hacked or duped in and then before you know it, everyone has one. you can't tell me all the l85's this guy got are legit dayz spawned ones. even if his squad didn't dupe them, they probly got them off of guys they killed that did dupe them or hacked them in.

[Brew78 27]

Remove. And I like the idea of having no night vision, or making night vision goggles extremely rare. But at that cost more weapons should have a flashlight attached to it, along with a helmet or hat (or something) to keep the flashlight glowing in the ahead path so that running with a flashlight is not so bad.

Here's the thing - NVG's already ARE extremely rare. Problem is, script kiddies just spawn themselves in a set, get killed, are looted, respawn, spawn in another set, and so it goes. They're artificially polluting the economy.

Think about it.. how many people you know who have had NVG's have actually found them, like at a barracks or heli crash? And how many have been looted off a corpse?

My personal experience (which I'm not claiming is the same as anyone else's) is that I've never actually seen a set spawn. Any I've ever had have been given to me, looted off a corpse, or were part of your starting inventory on a private hive.

[maxnmike 134]

this is exactly why any thermal scoped gun should go. if it's in the guns list it can be hacked or duped in and then before you know it, everyone has one. you can't tell me all the l85's this guy got are legit dayz spawned ones. even if his squad didn't dupe them, they probly got them off of guys they killed that did dupe them or hacked them in.

Oh I don't know. I remember finding 3 in one night at heli crash sites. 3 crash sites, one at each site.

[Hawk24 94]

It's not the L85 but the optic mounted on it

The Thermal sight is a complete no-brainer and completely denies any sense of stealth of camouflage against someone using it

Scope in, turn 360°, bam, everything organic lights up like a christmas tree - 100% no brainer

Combined with a .50 sniper it makes for a real simple cookie cutter setup that basically everyone uses once he is able to get his hands on both weapons

Look through your thermal optic like a maniac, light everything up that glows bright white on it

NVG's still require you to use your eyes to spot potential enemies, thermal does not

Just remove it and add an ACOG L85 instead

[BAPBAP 11]

With a statement like that, you obviously haven't been part of a good team yet, so you really shouldn't be speaking on their behalf.

With a statement like that, you obviously haven't read my post carefully enough to understand, what i'm talking about.

Special for you, friend:

pussies without thermal or good team still will be teared in pile of wet rags

[mactic 92]

So has the pool ended? If not I'm for removing.

[NoyZ (DayZ) 66]

@NoyZ, i don't care too much about your demagogy style discussion, you just don't catch the point, or playing dumb. Maybe sometime you'll get it right.

Problem is not in L85, but in some fundamental basics of the game.

Usual rooftop PK sniper scans horizont withn L85, find a noob cap, switch to .50cal, shoot'em and scans for another cap. Don't ever bother for loot victim or capture damaged vehicle. What's motivation of this sniper?

IMHO theres a such factors as:

- easy accessible hitech gear through duping;

- easy accessible ammo through rearrange bug;

- absense of long term goals (motivation to teamwork);

- absense of ties to specifical server(except nonhive servers, hideout or something);

- ineffective communication options (notes, radio);

- easymode zombies.

While we have this all - we everytime will have sniper, who just get bored and have "OP guns" and infinite ammo. He had no other reason to shoot anyone, but tries to entertain yourself.

If duping and inventory bugs will be fixed - numbers of hitech gear and ammo will fade to planned in loot sheet probability level. No more "everyone has NVG, rangefinder,.50cal, L85" issue. You get only what you found or trade.

Long term work motivate to teamwork. Teams can handle pointless rooftop shooters easily. Cpt O.

More communication options (like radio) will give opportunity of spontaneous teamwork. It completely changes the game in more positive way.

To realise this thing in mod devs need to do a extencive work, but they want to go a "easymode way" - just cut the options off completely.

This is way to dead end for the game, but a good for box office.

lol nope. I get what your talking about. I'm talking about what really matters. As far as the duping thing, YOU are missing the point by about 5000m. It doesn't matter at all if they are duped and copied. Duping doesn't change a damned thing. . . . . or how is a non-duped 1 any less OP than a duped 1? Rarity DOES NOT change the given properties of a weapon. If anything I think they should be free to be duped. I would rather everyone have them than a select few who need them. ;)

Your points are not as important as mine when you read the topic of this thread. I believe I have covered my points better and need not say anything more about it.

Everyone on the losing end of this argument needs to move on. You'll be happier for it. :)

Edited December 4, 2012 by NoyZ

[Buffalo_Soulja 3]

I've never been shot from AS50 or Barret when I was doing my tactics wisely. That's it - difference is here. So it's stupid to complain.

[NoyZ (DayZ) 66]

I've never been shot from AS50 or Barret when I was doing my tactics wisely. That's it - difference is here. So it's stupid to complain.

AS50/M107's are for sucky snipers that normally can't get it done in 1 shot. ;)

[jan_f_w 23]

Don't see any expired poll option added to this thread either so handing in later: remove the L85 with thermal scope