Would you quit if servers went expert?

[Rage VG 4033]

Hello there

I prefer it hard, and the game settings on expert. 1st person too.

But, there is a fanbase who don't like it that way and why should they be alienated?

I think it should be a server setting, but more servers should man up and be all butch and macho and have all assistance/3rd person off.

Did I mention I like it hard?

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[St. Jimmy 1631]

I would start playing again. I haven't touched DayZ for over a month because I can't find any good expert servers anymore. 3rd person and seeing distances just scrolling are immersion killers for me. I'd like chat to be enabled though.

I hope that DayZ would be Arma's expert only because that's how the game is meant to be played.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

it is true you have a feeling for where your bodyparts are in real life so seeing your whole body in third person is realistically and gives you a deeper immersion as to who you are and what you do

You could just hold alt and look down at your bodyparts. The only thing you can't see in first person is your head. So the only advantage I see in that argument would be knowing if you've become a bandit.

But, there is a fanbase who don't like it that way and why should they be alienated?

In my opinion, to protect the integrity of the game. I believe DayZ should standardize the servers. If you join one, you should be on the same playing field as everyone else.(not literally of course, but settings wise)

At the very least, there should be multiple hives based on difficulty settings. But that's been proven to not work since most people will jump on the easy servers and the rest of us follow the population, because dayz is boring with 5 people in a server. It's a bit of a vicious circle going on here.

Edited November 14, 2012 by bad_mojo

[ZomboWTF 527]

I would obviously love if expert settings were standard. Originally I played only on first person servers, but due to lack of a population I've now switched to 3rd person servers and I'll admit I use 3rd person about 90% of the time. I use 3rd person view because it's better, but I feel the game itself would improve without it. To me, it's similar to auto-aim in console games, if it's there, you HAVE to use it because everyone else does.

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when someone would actually show me a high populated first-person server in europe, i'd try it, but i grew familiar with third person pretty much

[ZomboWTF 527]

You could just hold alt and look down at your bodyparts. The only thing you can't see in first person is your head. So the only advantage I see in that argument would be knowing if you've become a bandit.

ever hid in a bush? you know in real life which parts of your body are covered, in dayz, its a quite bad guess with only first person, also, you cant exactly see where the gun meets the wall, or your feet when laying down

also there still is the thing with the fish vision needed to actually meet the human eyes capabilities

it both has its up and downs, you cant denie that

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

True, neither view is perfect, that's for sure. But, I feel the advantages of first person view in terms of player behavior tip the scales. I'd rather someone see my poorly hidden leg sticking out of a bush than see me over a wall.

Or here's a good one, I avoided death twice the other night while playing because people were camping on top of stairs and a ladder, I saw them before they could see me, because of third person view. That's not right, I should have been killed.

Edited November 14, 2012 by bad_mojo

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

I like having the option of first/third person, the rest of the indicators could be disabled imo. This isn't a FPS, it's an MMO that has FPS. You have to look at the scope of the game and not just the shooting aspect. People want to change the entire outlook of the game just because there are instances where people camp on rooftops and you can't see them, that is truly your only argument.

[jdz (DayZ) 238]

I like kill messages but nameplates and crosshairs can gtfo. Both take away so much skill in this game, DMRs become assault rifles and sniping becomes 'click on man for loot'.

3rd person I can live with but I prefer it disabled

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I like having the option of first/third person, the rest of the indicators could be disabled imo. This isn't a FPS, it's an MMO that has FPS. You have to look at the scope of the game and not just the shooting aspect. People want to change the entire outlook of the game just because there are instances where people camp on rooftops and you can't see them, that is truly your only argument.

Unauthentic behaviors that are caused by the third person view. Yes, that's my only argument.

[rooneye 135]

No I wouldnt quit. I'd actually prefer it tbh, though I will admit, I do use 3rd person just because you have an advantage over the 1st person view. Yes there are expert servers, but not enough and often not many people on them. I would prefer that all servers were 1st person, just a personal preference. I need the game to force me to use 1st person because i dont have the...will power? To use it if the 3rd person is there :blush: pathetic I know!

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

Unauthentic behaviors that are caused by the third person view. Yes, that's my only argument.

Again, you're taking a small portion of the game and making it the primary focus. Go on any MMO and play it for a few hours in only first person. I suggest this because the mod currently lacks the MMO aspects of which it will be recieving in the standalone. If you still find this fun, kudos for you. I would probably lose interest very quickly as first person is hardly a substitute for what we see.

[rooneye 135]

Again, you're taking a small portion of the game and making it the primary focus. Go on any MMO and play it for a few hours in only first person. I suggest this because the mod currently lacks the MMO aspects of which it will be recieving in the standalone. If you still find this fun, kudos for you. I would probably lose interest very quickly as first person is hardly a substitute for what we see.

But we cant see over walls or round corners IRL. Thats what i dont like. And what has an MMO got to do with anything, i dont get what you mean?

[Itsnotcrazyuntilchachacha 13]

Unauthentic behaviors that are caused by the third person view. Yes, that's my only argument.

Actually, not quite imo. You see, the field of view is in fact closer to reality while in 3rd person.

Need proof? Stand up and take a couple steps back from the screen. Take a look at your actual field of view, and how much of it are you able to see through the screen in the 1st person.

Thing is, if games 1st person was actual 1st person, I would hands down be able to spot anybody on a 180º in any direction but right behind. A game's first person is what, 50-60º?

EDIT as additional input, just look at any gameplay, and the way players react to peripheral input. Basically, they can't react to it 'cause they don't see it.

Edited November 14, 2012 by Itsnotcrazyuntilchachacha

[aoshi 32]

i would love

[Grey Warden 90]

The only thing i want is crosshairs. Even though i use ironsights to aim i like it being there for my hatchet as without it i can't hit the broad side of a barn (with a CQ weapon?), just feels stupid. Its not like its 100% accurate anyways and breathing after running makes it an insanely wide reticule.

Nameplates have to be off. No question its stupid to know where that player is sitting even though his 1000m away under a tree and in ghille!

Never played on a server with bullet lines on so i don't know what that looks like.

3rd person is optional as i don't mind it with or without. For the tricks like looking over a wall etc i just think "well everyone can do it so its not an advantage i have over others as they could do the same. Saying that i find it much more challenging in 1st person and in firefights i change to 1st anyways as its easier to aim (or driving too).

kill messages i ignore for the most part and they don't confirm a kill for me as someone else could have died at the same time. Also its annoying to see:

Survivor3 was killed

Survivor3 was killed

Survivor3 was killed

Survivor3 was killed

as someone keeps hitting respawn to get to better locations (aparantly you can still hit the button if fast enough but i'm not fast enough or my computer is faster but my button doesn't work).

Edited November 14, 2012 by Grey Warden

[Rage VG 4033]

i would love

Can't wait for the sequel.

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

But we cant see over walls or round corners IRL. Thats what i dont like. And what has an MMO got to do with anything, i dont get what you mean?

The reason why I mention this is the PVP is not the primary focus of the game. There is more to the game than just shooting people so for all that extra content, it's not fun being stuck in first person.

The way I consider 3rd person and first person is this... 3rd person gives me that large FOV that is natural to our eyes, first person lets me focus my eyes on any given area within that FOV.

So essentially if you took the two views but removed the character from the center of the screen in third person you would see what I mean. In the "third person" view would duplicate your FOV more naturally, while the "first person" view would simultate your eyes being able to focus on a certain area within narrower FOV.

I don't need to turn my head to read something on this screen I merely move my eyes and focus on that part.

Though as mentioned being able to see your character enables you to get an idea of where your character physically is within their environment.

[brzator47@gmail.com 524]

It would be quite interesting to see a poll about this. I imagine enough people would be against it that removing the 3rd person view wouldn't be an option but then again, remember that removing the gun you used to start with was a very unpopular decision at the time as well. I wonder if it was another server option, how many servers would still have you start with a gun now.

I would personally love it if all servers went expert. 1st person view is much more immersive and the pros far outweigh the cons imo.

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

It would be quite interesting to see a poll about this. I imagine enough people would be against it that removing the 3rd person view wouldn't be an option but then again, remember that removing the gun you used to start with was a very unpopular decision at the time as well. I wonder if it was another server option, how many servers would still have you start with a gun now.

I would personally love it if all servers went expert. 1st person view is much more immersive and the pros far outweigh the cons imo.

I think more people who come on the forums come to complain about a given feature than anything, so you might be right with your poll.

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

Reality is, if people wanted to play in first person they would be. There's 4000+ servers and only a handful of servers are playing in first person only. I use a mix of them because that is how I immerse myself in the game. This whole.. "lets make it first person so everyone can play the game how I want to play it" is just silly and childish. I want my ball and i'm going home mentality.

[Hetstaine 10852]

I only use 3dp for taking screens or filming, experts servers have always been my pref since day one.I have always found outside body views in gaming really lack any sort of immersion for me, like playing race sims from the rear spoiler. If Rocket made it ONLY expert only though it would be insanity as he would possibly lose a large chunk of the player base. i suppose many would just adapt abd deal with it though.

[GulpinGulpin 40]

Keep it how it is, too many ppl might quit and that's bad for rocket

I wouldn't give a fuck either way

Edited November 14, 2012 by GulpinGulpin

[Heiduk 265]

I would play more.

At first I only played on servers without peripheral dots. Then they all disappeared.

Then I only played on 1st person servers. Then they emptied out.

Now I mostly wait for standalone.

[shadowjack 254]

I would adapt and overcome... or die

Its not a game breaker. I dont even pay attention to server level i just pick a low ping and log in. I was well into my 5th week before i even knew about 3rd person. Since 1stP is default i don't even think about 3rd unless something happens to remind me of it. Cross hairs are a crutch i prefer not to use but i will when they are there. 1stP is more immersive which = more better.

[Slyguy65 499]

i hate First person when traveling because my view is too limited. And in a game where the maps are 80% field/boring/nothing its a bit mind numbing to be narrowed in sight especially when it takes like 20 minutes to traverse said environment .

I think there should always be a choice, forced first person or forced third person only servers would be unfair for the people who want the opposite, there is a good amount who like both, i wish there would just be a normal and hardcore server setup (similar to warz) so we can all be happy.