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In the survival-horror genre (which is what DayZ is failing at but that's besides the point), bolt-action rifles are cool as hell. The m107 is guaranteed 1-hit kill no matter where it hits a player/zombie to its maximum distance. It will 1-shot cars and helicopters. The Lapua (if I believe correctly? haven't played any MOD mods in a while!) is also a 1-hit kill no matter what, or at least 1 hit kill everything other than, say, feet and hands. It won't total vehicles in 1 hit (but will still damage most), and its rate of fire is no where near that of the semi-automatic. It's main advantage, however, is that it doesn't make nearly as much noise! Players will have to be closer to hear the gunshot sound and zombies have to be closer to aggro.

Same logic can be applied to helicopters. This is why I dont get why people are so against tanks yet are perfectly fine with adding helicopters and other air vehicles.

you never served in the military, did you? APCs are basically just a heavy truck engine with a armoured case over its chassi, They are not immune to bullets. Actually, one or two shots in two of its tires will disable it. They're as easy to drive and operate as an old truck or trailer. The only nasty thing about driving it is its weight, once you get speed, you wont be able to stop easy. APCs and even battle tanks are MUCH, MUCH more realistic to have than stupid choppers that require daily maintenance and years of learning to operate it. Yet there's a lot of people that want it on the game. People overreact too much about armoured vehicles, they wont be even near as gamebreaking as choppers. They're slow, the gunner is terribly exposed, you can shoot the tires out (or explode the treads with a grenade/IED) and a molotov upon it will make the crew burn to death in minutes. Choppers, on the other hand, make hiding in the woods or having a base with vehicles hidden somewhere pointless, as there will always be that no-life clan of trolls that will scan the entire map daily and destroy everything that they cant carry. The map itself is too small for air vehicles, and make the group that get their hands on a chopper be readily available in any place of the map in less than 5 minutes.

There is so much its ridiculous: Changes:* [NEW] - Mechanic - Nutrition system for all food types.* [NEW] - Mechanic - Hunger and Thirst is now based on the new nutrition system.* [NEW] - Mechanic - Salvage Parts from Vehicles (Players with a toolbox can now remove undamaged parts from vehicles in world)* [NEW] - Infectious Water Holes - Random water holes on the map are infected drinking from them will give you an instant infection. Identified by dead body's around water holes. (can be disabled by admins)* [NEW] - Base System - Generator has been added (Does not spawn, Not yet active).* [NEW] - Storage - Dome Tent has now been added.* [NEW] - Private SQL - Cleanup updated to move dead bodies(character_dead) to a new table before removal from main table(character_data).* [NEW] - 15 new models (feather,crafting).* [NEW] - Feathers added to Hens as you gut.* [NEW] - Destroy Tents with fire (matches & fuel tank needed).* [NEW] - Blood types/blood system-- You may now fill blood bags (filled blood bags only take 4k blood and give back 4k)-- incompatible blood transfusions will result in extended unconsciousness of the recipient.-- Ability to take/give blood from/to yourself.-- Blood types + Rh types are based off real world statistics-- ability to take a bit of blood off a recently dead corpse (may yield infection)* [NEW] - Blood testing kit (to determine blood type) and disposable transfusion kit.* [NEW] - Wild zeds re-added.* [NEW] - Blood trail system. Will allow players to track ppl bleeding.* [NEW] - Added 6 NEW POI's Thanks Musty Crew(AKA Bane). (enabled/disabled by admin)* [NEW] - New system for matches running out, 30% chance each time you use to drop your number of matches to 5 (foreach use after it will remove 1 match).* [NEW] - Hunting Knives new wear n tear system works in 5 stages. (IE start with knife random 30% chance to change to Knife5, This now gives 5 more uses before going blunt) Once blunt you yeld 50% of the meat you gather.* [NEW] - Making fires will now auto light.* [NEW] - Journal updated to provide a debug system. (Journal displays - spawn selection - forces full-moon nights.)* [NEW] - on death weapons on players back now drop to the ground* [NEW] - Blood will now regen over time based on player overall conditions. (>75% = 1.2, >50% = 0.6, >25% = 0.3).--- * [NEW] - Weapon attachments have been added (generic spawn - chance to spawn any place)-- M4A1 > M4A1_AIM-- M4A1_Aim > M4A1_Aim_CAMO-- M4A1_Aim_camo > M4A1_AIM_SD_camo-- m16a4 > m16a4_acg-- bizon > bizon_silenced-- Makarov > MakarovSD-- M9 > M9SD* [NEW] - You can now drink from Water pumps using just your hands (150 thirst restored each use.) (action menu) (no infection chance)* [NEW] - You can now drink from ponds using empty tin's (300 thirst restored each use.) (Right Click Empty Tins)-- UNboiled Water drank from a canteen has a 30% chance of infection and restores full thirst.-- UNboiled Water Drank from a tincan has a 6% chance of infection and restores 300 thirst. (pond/Lake Only)-- UNboiled Water From you hand has a 3% chance of infection and restores 150 thirst. (pond/Lake Only)* [NEW] - Vehicle - Unbanned Pickup_PK_INS.* [NEW] - Vehicle - Unbanned Offroad_DSHKM_INS.* [NEW] - Added audio cue when you stumble across gathering plants. (15 meters) (cricket sounds will play) (Thanks facoptere).* [NEW] - Added the option to rip up clothes to make rags (these can be then made to bandages).* [NEW] - Added Humanitarian supply drops (no weapons). * [NEW] - You can now craft assault bags.* [NEW] - New Crafting recipes.* [NEW] - Function - random Location finder.* [NEW] - Tents & Stash sites can now be upgrade to increase storage.-- Small Stash site upgrades - +2 magazine slots per upgrade + 5 armor. Required parts is just etool and wood.-- Small stash sites upgrade to medium once upgraded to level 5.-- Medium stash sites can now be upgrade. Tools - Etool, Parts needed - Crate, Wood.--- 25 mags per level. --- Double weapon count per level.--- 25 armor.-- Dome tents now upgrade. Tools - Etool, Parts needed - Crate, Wood.--- 25 magz per level--- 5 weapons per level --- 1 backpack per level--- 10 armor each level* [NEW] - Achievement system - Thanks DeadActionMan(AKA Musty Crew)-- Current achievement list--- Time Waster--- High Flyer--- Grave Robber--- Shopaholic--- Top Shopper--- Sick Puppy--- White Collar Worker--- Fire Warden--- Slice Of Fried Gold--- Plane Spotter--- Trinkets of Deceit--- Litter Bug--- Cannibal--- Hunter Gatherer--- Firestarter--- Steady Aim--- Marksman--- Sniper--- Bunny Basher--- Clean Bill of Health--- Medic of the Apocalypse * [FIXED] - Infected Camps no longer repeatedly spawn infected.* [FIXED] - Infected Camps Loot updated to be more in line with crash sites.* [FIXED] - LOOT - Building locks have been moved to after the building has spawned loot. (hopefully this should allow the bias to sometimes fail but allow other pass's if no loot has spawned.* [FIXED] - You can no longer refuel a destroyed vehicle using a 5l fuel can.* [FIXED] - Humanity gain from blood transfusion moved to end of transfusion process. (Due to issues with skin change breaking the transfusion)* [FIXED] - Zeds will no longer target vehicles. If the player is targeted before entering a vehicle Zeds will continue to engage the player* [FIXED] - Carry slot, addToToolbelt/drop fixes.* [FIXED] - Ability to fly a helicopter with no main rotor on restart* [FIXED] - Antihack (again).* [FIXED] - Issues with zeds not spawning in some places due to spawn timer being too long* [FIXED] - Fixed issue with salvaging items from vehicles that don't have parts (ie middle wheels) Thanks Sven(Seven)* [FIXED] - Added limit system to secondaries explosions.* [FIXED] - Zeds will no longer target any air vehicle.(unless player was already aggro-ed), (no longer get fps drop from zed agro).* [FIXED] - Zeds should no longer move around when below 3 meters to player. (when being attacked)* [FIXED] - Tents/camonets can now be placed in bushes.* [FIXED] - Objects can now be placed in camonets. (ie Tent can be put under a camonet)* [FIXED] - Issue with objects being placed and killed during the same session now fixed. (objects now get removed from db when killed).* [FIXED] - Auto close gear menu on filling water bottles. * [uPDATED] - Character selection screen is now forced until a character is selected(Does not effect reality Servers, on new character).* [uPDATED] - Spawn selection screen is now forced until a spawn location is selected (if enabled).* [uPDATED] - Thirst and hunger updated to no longer be a instant fill on eating/drinking.* [uPDATED] - Melee weapons updated Range and shot count.* [uPDATED] - Full moon nights is now select-able by the server admins.* [uPDATED] - Salvage system updated to provide a chance some items like glass,engine and fuel can break during salvage* [uPDATED] MedBox0 has been removed and replaced with MedBox2.-- magazine = "ItemBandage";-- count = 3;-- magazine = "transfusionKit";-- count = 4;-- magazine = "ItemMorphine";-- count = 3;-- magazine = "bloodBagOPOS";-- count = 1;-- magazine = "bloodBagABPOS";-- count = 1;-- magazine = "bloodBagBPOS";-- count = 1;-- magazine = "bloodBagAPOS";-- count = 1;-- magazine = "bloodTester";-- count = 2;* [uPDATED] Foodbox0-- Removed magazine = "FoodCanFrankBeans", magazine = "FoodCanPasta"-- Added magazine = "ItemSodaGrapeDrink", magazine = "ItemSodaCoke"* [uPDATED] - Re-added Flies on dead body's.* [uPDATED] - Weather - FOG has been changed from max 0.5 to 0.8.* [uPDATED] - Updated infection chance cure while sleeping from 1% to 10%* [uPDATED] - Quiver updated to be used like a mag for the crossbow.* [uPDATED] - Loot spawns now only spawn one item.* [uPDATED] - Sight & sound for zeds updated to provide a much better sneak system.* [uPDATED] - When in build mode and trying to enter a vehicle you are no longer ejected, the build just cancels. * [uPDATED] - Surface sounds of roads. (no longer draws from 200 meters.)* [uPDATED] - Infected camps - now spawn loot in tents in place of on the ground.* [uPDATED] - Infected camps - Now spawn zeds like any normal building.* [uPDATED] - Infected camps - Can now be taken down when found (tents/camonets can be collected for later use).* [uPDATED] - Medbox1 changes - Removed: Old bloodbags X 2 added: Emtpybloodbags X 5* [uPDATED] - New temperature changes (to bring temperature into the game).* [uPDATED] - Motorcycle changes: TT650 speed increase from 120 to 180.* [uPDATED] - Increased Zed Sight from 100 to 200 meters.* [uPDATED] - Updated sight and sound for zeds-- Added chance based sight system (on seen depending on the range between you and the target there is a chance you will not be targeted).-- Sound updated to support a higher instant target sound from 60 to 80 (this is the amount of sound the player is making)-- Sound updated to support any sound below 80 and aboue 6 must be in the zeds line of sight before your targeted,-- Zeds FOV changed from 45 to 30. (this is the angle they can spot you on)* [uPDATED] - Inventory - Vehicle Fuel tank reduced to 2 inventory slots from 4.* [uPDATED] - Inventory - Wooden pile reduced from 2 inventory slots to 1.* [uPDATED] - Inventory - Rotor increased from 6 to 8 inventory slots.* [uPDATED] - Inventory - Engine increased to 10 inventory slots from 6.* [uPDATED] - Inventory - 20L Fuel tank & empty reduced to 2 inventory slots from 3.* [uPDATED] - Attack system on all zombies no longer an instant animation its been changed back to a smooth change to attack (makes the zombies slower to attack)* [uPDATED] - Chance of catching a fish has been increased from 1% to 25%.* [uPDATED] - Medium Stash Sites can no longer be created from sandbags.* [uPDATED] - Loot Rebalance.* [uPDATED] - Rebalanced Zombies. (hp, Armor, speed, movement, animations) * [REMOVED] - Ammo in backpacks will no longer refill on player restart. (Removed due to side effects)* [REMOVED] - Blood gain from all canned food types now removed.* [REMOVED] - Loot bias has now been fully removed.* [REMOVED] - Server side grid system for loot.* [REMOVED] - Salute when trying to run with a object in view mode.

I really wish that there had been a much larger distinction between vanilla DayZ and heavily modified private hives and sub-mods as all of this was developed over the last two years. Yes, if you are in the know, you can search for official servers in DayZ commander, but I find that a vast majority of newcomers to DayZ have no idea of the differences between a vanilla public server, a vanilla private hive, and a modified private hive. I think that more people would be interested in playing the mod (especially people coming from SA) if there were more clear definitions and separation within utilities like DayZ commander. Most new players jump on 1,000,000+ vehicles/choppers/etc servers and think that that is how DayZ started.

Going away from Italy's military failures, I think armoured vehicles would be okay as long as they were a bitch to maintain/repair. Improvised armoured vehicles like bulldozers with steel bolted on would be amazing! Even just vehicle crafting would be amazing!

Only problem is I can never find a fucking decent vanilla server all this 999 vehicles spawn with guns self bloodbag, ect ect. ORIGINAL PVP It fucking sucks.

What? Nah, Im only thinking how Dean is. He wants authenticity. So Im guessing with the other vehicles being a pain to operate and maintain he will do the same for bikes. And as for the mod: My bikes tires would crumble if I hit a knee high wooden picket fence at 10kmh, one time. I dont know what super bikes you were finding man.. ;)

Its a Great server There's Active Admins Loads of Really cool Features Nice Players and we also have a Teamspeak Here are some of the features Self Blood Heli lift Vehicle Towing Salvage Vehicle Custom Clan bases Custom Military Bases Custom Spawn Menu AI Patrol / Missions Extra Vehicles Extra Buildings Indestructible Bases PlotPole Zombie killer Anti Hack You should Come check us out !!! :D

[DK]DanishDayZ Epoch server! Server IP - 144.76.41.171:2362 Features: Good ping, and awesome FPS300 VehiclesSemi indestructible basesAI missions (bandits and survivors)Locate missionsTrader city GOD modeTrader city backpack and vehicle anti theft systemAuto refuel (free), rearm (1x10oz g) + repair (2g)Self bloodbagTowing (Not locked vehicles)Fun admin events (kill an admin, secure the loot)Deploy bike/re-pack (spawn with toolbox)commit suicide (for when the apocalypse is just too much to handle)Admins: We are currently 4 active admins.None of the admins are abusing their rights.No admin custom loadout, the admins actually want to play the game on the same level as the players.Server Rules: No hacking, cheating, scripting, duping, glitching or exploitingNo voice in side channelOnly danish or english language in side channelNo bullying, racism or excessive swearingCombat logging is not allowed, if caught you will be punishedNo basebuilding in high value loot buildings, large cities or off mapPlease feel free to come and say hi, and give a shout in-game if you have any questions.

Sup all? We recently just opened a BRAND SPANKING NEW Epoch Panthera server. The server owner is Alexander (The man who made the Glock Icon for the actual MOD itself when you end up in combat) and we are all from the original Dayz Redux (if you dont know do your research!) We have added nearly ALL the FOB's (Barracks, refuel, rearm, etc) around the map (I believe there are 6-8 in all) and there are barracks EVERYWHERE! Features Include: GOD MODE Traders 50 + Barracks! Self bloodbag Towing/Lifting EASILY 500+ vehicles (We plan to militarize the server at some point) Plenty of Heli crashes (most are animated) Roaming Squads of AI TONS OF CUSTOM LOOT! Military Loot is pretty much all over the barracks...as in you will find rocket launchers to counter the helis that roam the skies. We are going to be adding AI missions and/or AI around the map at some point soon. We are literally hours into the server and we are looking for some great clans/lone wolves/bandits/heroes. There will also be donator packages and we will possibly be giving people basic building supplies to start your own base! We have our own TEAMSPEAK server so you are welcome to make your own channel Redux.TeamSpeak3.com

Agree with OP 100% games with complexity and/or depth are the ones that stand the test of time. Look at BF2 and the way its balanced and reliant on a team effort to over come the fact the vehicles Are GODS in open terrain. Now look at BfBC2 and BF3 how quickly those dwindeled folllowing the same formula as every other shoother while BF2 still enjoys a devoted player base of dedicated vets. EVE Online is a shining example of what can happen when an MMO takes complexity to the extreme. Mnay many first time trails are put off by beying smacked in the face with an endless array of possibilities and options most of which require anything from weeks to years to even think of obtaining. 10+ years later it continues to enjoy a devoted and growing playerbase.

You realize they're completely reworking the engine right now, and that the Mod is over 2 years old, right? Vehicles and persistent storage are coming. It won't happen overnight. http://www.dayztv.com/news/2014/05/dayz-development-state-answers/

Gameplay is still better. i never said Mod was perfect. infact it has some horednous exploits and security poblems. but survival is there in the need to carry food and drink. medical is there with blood bags, mor[hene and pain killers. and PvP is there with a varield selection if military firearms. Team play and clan Play is supported with effective vehicles with good cargo space and persistent storage in the form of tents. The SA seems intent on compleetely stepping away from that gameplay tho. they want to make simply existing so dam annoying and not only that, nerf/limit/water down all the fun stuff. it all was there and working. if its not broken dont fix it. All SA needed to do was performance optimize and secure against hackers/exploits and we'd have a golden expereince. instead they threw the mold out from the mod and tried to make something compleetley new. Mod Vets wanted a refined version of that experience, not a total departure.

Oh yes, vehicles that are immune to bullets, have a gun on top, and can drive people over even without ammo i couldn't possibly see how this could be exploited in a weird way... i really don't think tanks would add to the gameplay, and i don't know if tanks are operable by an every-day-guy also, there is allready wasteland doing this, and when (or if) the moddability comes to DayZ, this sure will be possible with arma 2 tanks right now i would be glad if we had normal cars or bikes, and the running toned down a bit personally i would like to keep the survival feeling of dayz, and don't need to worry about carrying an RPG with AT ammo all the damn time because there is a tank rolling around in chernarus i guess a vodnik with tires you can shoot and without a gun would be okay, but full-on tanks.... meh

I'd only like tank like vehicles under two conditions. That you are able to shoot out the occupants, even if through extremely narrow slits, and that you are capable of disabling them without needing an AT missile. Not destroying, but disable. Say, throwing some grenades at the treads or if it has wheels being able to shoot them out. Ammo should also be incredibly rare for any sort of main cannon. Just something where it's not impossible to contend with one without an AT launcher, because I think then it just becomes extremely boring.

Bump. FOrgot to say that the server also has custom vehicles added as well such as Jackals, BTR-40, BTR-40 Dskhm, and Ka-137's, along with all of the Bell Helicopters (Pook's heli's)

I surprised that people even want vehicles that bad in the game. I couldn't care less about them really.

Tired of spawning in the middle of no where? Yup me too. Skalisty Island spawn area, needs to be removed its' worthless it's a long run to each town everyone hates it. Wilderness spawn between svetlojorsk and berezino is all right because there are 3 ideal hotspots in the area RARE Elektro / Cherno spawn areas are great highly sought after areas. Thoughts: Why do we only spawn on the eastern coast? Spawn us more inland players only tend to seek out Berezino for PVP which is fun, but at the same time why do y ou have such a huge map if players only go to 1 of like 6 locations? Without vehicles we need more varied spawns aroudn the entire game not just on the coast where there is absolutely no loot and players cycle servers jsut to get gear to go pvp. (idc if this has been said its fucking annoying running around all the time early access or not give us a damn old bike from mod and i'l lbe happy

1. Show me proof of this. (Hunting hackers).. Other than conjecture from his videos. What Frankie says doesn't count as evidence/proof. 2. How does one hunting hackers prove he's not a hacker? 3. There's substantial evidence/proof that he HAS hacked, if he doesn't anymore. 4. DayZ Mod moderator tools were essentially hacks.. If Frankie used these with permission of the admin to set up a scene I would not mind, but there's clear evidence of him using godmode, hacking his humanity, spawning in vehicles, and other things which clearly affect others who are not in on his video making.

Offsetting the existing Soldier and Medic styles with Engineers for fixing vehicles, Hunters and maybe Pilots would be awesome. If they added a basic agriculture system for picking flowers/herbs I could see an Herbalist type class/specialty as well. And I love the realism of the game so far, but the tricky thing is making it usable and not clunky. A few tweaks here and there and we'll be close.

I want it to be much, much more difficult than the mod was.. I want to feel excited again when I survive a trip up North and back. And I still want to be able to get into as much pvp as possible while doing it. As long as its a huge learning curve, and they dont focus on trying to stop things like long range sniping, etc.. Then Im happy. They have already said that vehicles will be tough to maintain and get working, so that will be good. The mods had it close, but not enough.. it should be a huge pain to get a working car or vehicle of any kind. And an extremely rare gem to find one that maybe only needs gas, or a new battery. You should spend days finding parts, and working on your found truck. And as your bringing the last wheel you need back to it, you find someone else has taken it away.. all that hard work for nothing. Or.. you could go find it. :) Thats how DayZ should be. A pain in the ass, but each step enjoyable.

Myth. I still play the VANILLA mod heavily. same mechanics apply. if you allow squadding/clanning to be OP thats what people do. EVERY server as a few clans on it. the inability to log out with your vehicle also means that the onyl way to maintain any security is ENSURE no one else has air vehicles. of course, this means any other large group will be scowering the map for your air vehicles. you cant ver well sit there 24/7 gurading them, and once one is stolen they easily find your other stuff. It's actually a very nice self-balancing system in the meta aspect. by playing as a clan you hoarde everything, which in turns causes small squads to band together to counter your being the OP force on the server. you seed the means of your own destruction. also the argument that this makes it impossible to make camps is moot because you dont need them. you dont even need good gear something to murder a guy and enough food drink for a long hike and you fan out doing a grid search for enemy base in suspected area. Infact, most of the clan/squad players from the MOD do want squad fights up north again. its the influx of new bloood coming from other non-Arma titles that want easy kills.

But there's no guarantee that there will be multiple teams fighting over them and a whole clan could just have all of them, or all the resources for them. It would divert some attention away from the coast yes, but only for a while. And also no sane solo KoSer would bother going up North if they were obviously going to get bombed so it encourages solo players or small groups to just dig in and enjoy ruining the game for coast spawns. I don't see how they could have vehicles not respawning completely work properly, if people left then they'd just be leaving this armoured up car or a tank for anyone to find so that just makes it even easier because it's already set up. Then there's helicopters too, finding the tanks would be both a piece of cake and take no time at all. Most KoS cowards aren't interested in fighting people who might actually kill them.

Vehicles and thier states persist thru restart (inluding cargo/fuel/etc) no reason your make shift work shop cant stay as well. Also unless you completely remove any means to kill other players you will not defeat KoSing. ever. the dayZ experience is all about the idea that each player is dropped into this world can can choose to do as he or she pleases, no matter rather thats for good or evil. That said raising the value and time invetment of end game vehicles and content shifts the motivation away from coastal deathmatch up north in the hunt for clan bases and vehicles. You will not stop KoSing by making vehicles crap. you will not stop KoSing by making weapons weaker. you can however make extremely "valuable" things that will keep clans/squads occupied and fighting eachother instead of camping on the coast. this is what choppers, chopper crashes, and mil loot did in the mod.