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That's because games are generally not sandbox games. Very few are' date=' in fact. So yes, it's common for rules and mechanics to go hand-in-hand. Sandbox games divorce the two. That's kind of what the name "sandbox" means. Nobody tells you what to do in the sandbox - you get toys and sand (mechanics) and they can be used in certain ways (shovels for digging, buckets for collecting sand) but you can use them in whatever way you wand and nobody's going to tell you that's wrong (buckets for building castles). Except, he's not. It's happening right now. There are literally posts right here on this very forum from people seeking groups or groups seeking new players. Servers everywhere are publishing TS info in an attempt to gain new recruits. Even the hardcore ARMA clans are taking in new blood as a result of DayZ. How can you just sit and deny it's happening? So silly. Okay, so our options are to change DayZ to cater to the "vast majority" of casual players who don't want to put effort into a game - in the process dumbing and watering it down to the point where it will no longer be Dayz... or accept the fact that maybe DayZ isn't designed to appeal to the vast majority of casual players and let them go find a different game to play while an incredibly intense, committed and fervent following remains with DayZ - the people willing to put in the effort and create an amazing new kind of zombie game. I personally prefer the latter option myself. The 'vast majority' have their games already. Why should we let them influence DayZ's development until it just becomes a glorified sequel to Resident Evil or something? This is bunk, first of all. I'm on Day 19 and my partner Day 32 and zombies are a factor in everything we do. We sill need ammo. We still need to help our other friends who aren't quite as established as us gear up and find the basic supplies. We still need to search for vehicles and vehicle parts, and fuel cans - and gas stations to refuel them. Helicopter crashes are a goddamn zombie dance party. We spend more ammunition and medical supplies every day on zombies and zombie-related injuries than we do on players. Zombies remain a factor indefinitely. Second, if people came into DayZ expecting zombies w/o a bunch of PvP then it can only be because they dove in without reading a single shred of information about the game or the experience and just made a bunch of baseless assumptions because "It has zombies it must be like all those other zombie games." Meanwhile every blurb or article or interview I read before I decided to play DayZ stated definitively and without a doubt that you would find death at the hands of players a far more common experience than death by zombies. And this was back in the bandit skin days when supposedly the game was some kind of cooperative heaven on earth.

I don't necessarily like this idea. In theory, it's a great idea. But realistically, all it would lead to is people having to hop from server to server depending on the time of day. I personally like to stick with one or two servers, simply because in those servers I tend to have tents or vehicles in my possession. Also, since I found my nifty little NVGs, I also have no hindrance dealing with the night. However, given this system is implemented, I'm going to be forced to either just stop playing or switch servers to a day server, because I'm not going to purposely penalize myself just because I've dedicated myself to a certain server. Overall, as I said, I can see this idea being worthwhile. But until servers stop losing 90% of their traffic past 10PM, it's only going to hinder those who enjoy gaming on specific servers.

I find people don't use them properly and just drop them and forget, not sure what it's intended purpose is anyways. Zombies are much to fast to set up the barb wire before they get to you. And if people would be setting them up to kill hordes of zombies just for fun then i'm sure that does not happen often. I don't exactly agree with removing them I just don't understand thier purpose. I'm guessing you can sorround vehicles and tents with them? Well if thats the case i think they should only spawn in military locations so all the new players don't use them and just put them in useless places.

Last I knew you had 2 days to get your stuff out of the tent before it all vanishes forever. So yes if you donta have another tent to put the stuff in, you can only save what you can carry. Vehicles are linked to the server not to you. They will stay where you left them until someone finds it and moves it or destroys it, as far as I know.

Yes there is a hack that shows all players/vehicles, but our camp was in 2 very well hidden places or so we thought, you'd be surprised at the amount of people who keep server hopping in places they'd expect to find a camp. So it is possible to do it legitimately someone will find anything you hide eventually :[

Hello! Something relatively strange happened last night whilst I was getting my beauty sleep. I shall explain! Myself and a few friends have a camp north of the map that holds several varied vehicles; multiple Land Rovers, UAZs, ATVs, Urals, and Motorbikes. We all decided to jump into the land rover and head down to Chernogorsk to pick up some car parts as we had found a white pick-up truck, whilst doing this we experienced bad lag but still managed to get everything. We headed back to where we found the broken vehicle, fixed it up and then hid both the land rover and the pick-up deep into the trees near the barn that it was located. (No-where near our actual camp and well off the beaten track). I logged on this morning to find both of the vehicles missing and instead was a blue Ural Civilian truck surrounded by barb wire and hedgehogs. I didn't think much of it and jumped in and drove off, after further inspection the truck was actually ours, all of our equipment was inside. Somehow someone managed to find our very well hidden camp, proceeded to take the blue Ural, left the other 10 vehicles/tents alone then drove directly to the Land Rover and white pick-up on the other side of the map. The loss of the vehicles isn't a problem as we have replacements, it's just the fact that it seems near impossible to find two very well hidden locations. If this was all done legitimately, I highly recommend the person who did this to play the lottery. Is there a known hack/script that would allow someone to see the locations of vehicles on their map? Happy gaming! -B :cool:

1. You can't pick up the tent, but you (and anyone else) can loot it. 2. Yes, although I'm not 100% sure about the mechanics. Maybe the tent despawns and the loot stays on the ground for a while and eventually goes too. 3. Nope, vehicles stay. There's a new rule that if a vehicle is unused for a while (like a week) it will respawn, but I don't know if it's already implemented.

I suggest we have a new utility item, a hose that can be used to refill vehicles and helicopter full in a single operation. The mechanics for it would be to park the vehicle close enough to a gas tank, use the item and wait some time for the refueling, proportional to the vehicle.

This is true, and twice I've been subjected to this. I discovered their camp. And I've been to it twice within 24hrs. Of course, once I met up with a friend, we made sure their camp was completely ransacked and plundered. Even the barbed wires and steel hedgehogs were gotten rid of. We also shot out the wheels of the remaining vehicles in the camp. All of this was 'retribution' for yesterday. When a similar incident happened. This is appalling behaviour on the server owners part, and I don't think it should be tolerated.

Joking right? I was north of berezino when i got killed. I lost some nice equipment/weapons at the time. Disappointed as I was I went back to where we last saw our vehicles, resupplied and went on with our business, only to die another time, losing the rest of my stuff. If this is about the quad we took from your camp, that's all part of the game. If this is not the case I'd like to know how you got to the conclusion to ban me. The logs don't lie

No Arma II vehicles drive fine, I've drove a bus fine too in Day Z, it was the ATV that would only go forward or reverse in 360 spins

Everyone in here is just jumping to conclusions and only digesting the facts THEY want to hear. I'm debating if there is a point to this post because every player WANTS to crusade as victims of admin abuse, people are too willing to jump to that conclusion. Look how many hollow admin abuse threads there are. All I can do is say we didn't act out of frustration. I've told you in this thread (the part you read and chose to ignore) we've lost everything many times and it doesn't bother us nearly bad enough to start banning people. We learned from the beginning not to get attached in this game. Again, I can just say it, can't prove that we didn't act out of frustration. This game does not offer any way to truly tell if someone is cheating so what are we to do when we suspect it? We truly believed someone was running around rapidly locating vehicles using the cheat I posted, we banned the two players and went immediately to the forum to message them and did (again, before he even posted). I just wanted anything close to a reasonable explanation so that I could lift the ban, within minutes. Instead everything has been handled immaturely, assumptions have been jumped to. People are attacking our Ventrilo (while I type this even). Like I said everyone WANTS to cry ADMIN ABUSE, so they'll chose the things they want to hear in order to say it. I've read things in this thread that don't even pertain to our situation, such using a post to locate their camp (back in time?), bases being raided with flashlights (was never night or flashlights involved when we found the base), people saying we can TELL THE SERVER what time of day to be (again, we don't have control over that). And there was a glitch several patches ago that sometimes vehicles wouldn't show up, and restarting the server would resolve it. Someone asked for a server restart in all-chat, we notified everyone, restarted and it resolved the glitch for them. The vehicles were not "lost" or "destroyed" but people chose to make those facts up; They just hear what they want to hear. I actually remember laughing about our other base being raided while we had the new vehicles saying "Well we can't be sad if these get stolen since we stole them ourselves." So again, we didn't do anything because we wanted to defend the vehicles we found an hour ago. I'll give them all the credit and say it's as simple as a misunderstanding at best, bans are not permanent, within a few minutes and one private message they would have been unbanned and should be proud about how clever they were. I would have apologized for the SLIGHT INCONVENIENCE (not exactly cutting toes off here) and given them all the credit in the world knowing it now! Instead our servers have been attacked and people refuse to cooperate. They keep confusing the situation. As this thread has turned to bickering, inaccurate accusations, when it could have just been a simple explanation and resolution, there really is no point to posting and explaining ourselves any more. Sorry for the mess, couldn't predict people would handle a situation so poorly.

Pretty good, actually. As long as you can do everything with any class (repairing vehicles etc etc bla bla), why not?

I think it would really add some longevity and interest to those players that 'Have all the vehicles and weapons'. Seems the mode is get all the weapons then head to cherno to shoot everyone that just came off the beach. Seems to me that allowing for some combat to evolve, it would be more risky for those with the toys and create something interesting for those that are geared to go up against equally geared players.

I hate them because they horde vehicles, usually off map, and usuaally with a coordinated server restart. But I think in a lot of cases, they or their admin pal are paying for the servers, so I just think of it as haves and have nots, since I've never been beset by any clan. Of course, I don't connect to a server if there are more than two clan tagged individuals present. I think that's why I have so few problems with hackers, admin shenanigans and restarts.

ok so server admin rebooted server, all vehicles/tents respawned with the previous gear in and locations

ok so basically me and a friend played yesterday and got an off raod truck and a tent. we went way out into the wilderness away from any town or road and not near to any other spawn locations of other items/vehicles. its only a 24 man server and we were so far out and hidden it would be highly unlikely anyone could find our stuff where we were. we logged on this morning only 8 hours later and we both spawn in our spot but both the car and the tent were gone. just before we logged off we did the save fuction on both the tent and the car to make sure. removing the possibility that someone actually found them could a server restart or something have made us lose our car and tent?

Firstly its quite possible for servers to switch between day and night cycles, how else do you think its possible for places like the UK to have daytime (in-game) servers running during the evening (irl). Secondly you just admitted to restarting the server to help others get back lost/destroyed vehicles, so case closed, that's an exploit and an abuse of admin power.

It is funny that I come here looking for information on server admin abuse and I find this thread. I have no knowledge of the above event but I have played on multiple servers that suddenly switched to night and other suspicious events that I thought was server side abuse with loot or vehicles being respawned or restarted. I guess this is a rampant problem when admins invest time, feeling, and have power over a server. This thread is a very intersting read for multiple reasons First you have admins, who felt they where banning a group of hackers and serving the community (supposedly) 2nd you have an ambitious group of players that used public information to find and loot the hard work of a group of players that happen to be admins (or they cheated and deserved the ban) I would like to know how the admin group was feeling when they issued the ban. Anger or frustration had to influence the decision to ban at least a little. That to me is the core problem, since neither group can prove anything beyond he said she said( actually I believe the players here didn't cheat they have a solid defense). so this is clearly an abuse of power that any legal system worth a damn would laugh at and dismiss any charges brought up against them. Do you think that the group of players would be banned if they did this to any other group but the admin group ? I highly doubt any action would be taken against them. This is more of a growing problem than any other alpha bug out there. Hackers will be caught and banned, eventually, server admins can hide behind the power they have and manipulate their server to give unfair advantages over all other players. TLDR version: admins acted out of frustration and banned players without proof, black list and disallow them from hosting any other servers. They will only abuse power again and kill the growth of this community over time. Who wants to play a sandbox type game when you are only allowed a bucket of sand while others have a mountain and will not allow you to steal some of their sand?

This guy (the hacker not Kai) can change his character into a dog or zombie and run around with their animations. He also spawns vehicles and fly/drives them around. Script detection fail or maybe he really is a member of the dev. team.

As mentioned vehicles and tents (anything bound to a server really) is currently buggy and unstable - this is very much work in progress territory.

Hell there. I'm a European bandit and as the title says, I look for likeminded people. I really just want to go around, getting loot, vehicles etc. and slaying what/who ever we find. I like coordinated teamplay, as I think it's a lot of fun. So if you're into raiding towns with a group, add me on skype: "cpteleon"

On the outset of getting this mod I was a real nice guy, always willing to team up, shared supplies with other players, etc. etc. Had some real great encounters with other players, helped them fix up vehicles and survive out in the great wilderness they call the north. That all changed when I helped a guy fend off at least 3 cities worth of zombies, expending all my ammo and crippling me, only to be popped in the head for my empty m4 and alice pack. So dumbfounded by this random act of generosity rewarded with complete ass-holishness, I stumbled into the nearest barn from my coastal spawn, found myself a CZ with 4 clips, got up on top of a hill overlooking elektro, and began a murder spree so heinous it should go down in history. Noobies looting the firestation? Bang, headshot. I'd even say over sidechat to their friends looking for the sniper "meet me at X, we'll take him down together!" only to greet them with a sniper bullet to the dome. Didn't even loot their bodies, left them to the flies/zombies.... After I racked up something around 16 murders, elektro was a ghost town. Not a shot was fired for half an hour. I logged off and went outside to reassess my life.

No, everyone running around with vehicles? No thank you. Mine as well just make a server thats more like a race track and a demolition derby than a survival game. It's survival meant to be on foot. Not cower in a car, or drive away when the shit starts to hit the fan. The concept is good just won't work well with this mod.

Joking right? I was north of berezino when i got killed. I lost some nice equipment/weapons at the time. Disappointed as I was I went back to where we last saw our vehicles, resupplied and went on with our business, only to die another time, losing the rest of my stuff. If this is about the quad we took from your camp, that's all part of the game. If this is not the case I'd like to know how you got to the conclusion to ban me.