Die newbies?

[deltadoc 0]

lets start this off with a story.

A new player to Day z washes up on shore, with what little knowledge he has he begins his journey looking for what little bits and pieces he can find to survive, as he is traveling from small town to small town he find himself shot in the back of the head by a fully kitted sniper.

now let me ask you why in the world would a fully armed man go out of his way to scout out and pick off defenseless players, are people really that desperate they must kill unarmed civilian to survive, and what does that mean for our future, has mankind sunk so low we must literally kill or be killed even against those with no means or capability of fighting back? I mean in my opinion any pussy can pull a trigger and kill something, but it takes a real man to trust others and put your life on the line to help out those who are need of help. (Hero's FTW)

I'm sorry for those of you that have actually read this little rant of mine, but I just am curious to find and hear the reasoning's behind the senseless killings of new players and unarmed vets of Day z, and am curious to find out if things turn out for the better on private servers and such.

[herrjon 478]

I've said this to a few people now, so it's going to be the short version

Reasons:

1. For fun

2. Unarmed =/= not a threat

3. Teaching you a lesson in survival

4. Beans

Always assume there is someone watching you regardless if where you are and what you have, your life expectancy will go up.

Edited October 12, 2012 by HerrJon

[Sandwichx 103]

It happens all the time. Just the other day I was on a private server where a guy with his ghillie and AS50 was camping along the coast looking for people who just spawned to kill. After getting killed several times, I moved to a different private server only to find two hackers doing the same thing. There's really nothing that can be done if people want to play that way, as it is "part of the game". I just wish people had some decency and honor.

[deltadoc 0]

I honestly mean no offense by this but all 4 of your reasons in my opinion HarrJon sound like cowards tactics. (lets kill the unarmed guys because the armed guys fight back Q_Q, and its more "fun"..) in this tactic it is no different than a lvl. 100 character on any mmorpg fighting a lvl. 1 there is no fun or honor in this, but again I have no ill will towards you remark and in no way do/did i mean to offend you.

And SandwhichX I Do agree with what you posted above, and i do realize their is nothing that can be done, but like you said it would be nice if people played with a little more honor and decency.

and what you said before about hackers, this brings up something else I would like to rant about why in the world would you hack the game, I found a crashed helicopter with a box containing 5 of each item beside it, this is pointless to not work for what you want/need the only reason i can see for one doing this is for like stated above killing survivors for "fun".

[texcat11 11]

You have much to learn in the art of DayZ.

[herrjon 478]

Well since you were so kind to reply to my directly, I'll go more in depth.

1. For fun: When it comes down to it, this is a game, and a sandbox game at that. People are allowed to do what they enjoy within the bounds of the game (hacking is bad) and there is a group of people that enjoy shooting moving targets, armed or not. This may not be your playstyle, but not everyone plays like you, which keeps it interesting. Also, in an apocalypse situation, there will be people who will just kill everything and watch the world burn rather than rebuild.

2. Unarmed =/= not a threat: You have to realized these heavy-geared players are very paranoid of losing their gear, and have to be wary of every threat. With current mechanics, it is fairly simple to conceal small arms or a hatchet on a seemingly fresh spawn. It's also not difficult for someone to see another player, find a weapon, and go kill them. I've even hear of unarmed players agroing zeds to another player and killing them with the hoard. These paranoid players know of these tactics and find your very existence a threat. They have no way of knowing your experience level, aside from your actions, as everyone washes up on the coast at some point. It goes the other way as well, they could very well be looking for serious PvP, meeting up with their squad, or over-watching one of their buddies. You were just unlucky enough to go somewhere or do something they didn't appreciate. You may call it coward's tactics, others would call it surviving. The lvl 100 vs. lvl 1 analogy doesn't really apply, as it is so easy for someone with a hatchet to sneak up on a geared player and steal everything. There's no real progression, which is realistic.

3. Teaching you a lesson: This is a minor one, as most with this intention wouldn't go as far as killing you, but you may get some friendly shots if you're doing something stupid. I know I've shot near a guy who was just chilling on top of Cherno factory mill, not moving, in plain sight. All he had was a revolver, he could've been a scout, but based off his reaction and what happened, I could tell he was a new player who just learned to not stop moving and stay in cover.

4. Beans: I use this as a general term for supplies than just a can of beans. Say for instance, a well-geared player has little to no morphine or even bandages. It's fairly risky for someone with really good gear to go loot a hospital. They see someone with little gear in some smaller town or w/e. If they know they can manage to kill you and loot you, could have what they need. Pure survival.

I'll just clarify as well, I don't follow these practices, the exact opposite actually. I see another player, I carefully approach them and offer medical help and something to eat/drink. You just have to realize this is a sandbox game and people are encouraged to play how they want (excluding hacking). You may not play that way, but it's there and you have to adjust to it.

[Jamz 253]

The key is to remember that it is a game and just like any other game people will do whatever they can to maintain interest in it. Its not an apocalypse survival sim because players can log out whenever they want and carry on with their safe, boring lives and if you die in game you just respawn again without any real repercussions. If it were real then 90% of players would try to help others as there would be nothing else left to live for, only the criminals would KOS.

I think the real challenge of this game is surviving in the games circumstances, and overcoming mistrust when killing is generally encouraged. Others seek a visceral thrill with PVP (for protection or aggression) or just because they can. You have to accept the times that you are killed as a defenseless fresh spawn and remember that its not personal, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time :)

[terex 322]

Don't take it soo personal or let some bad experiences get this reaction.. People do things to people in DayZ to get reactions.

[dallas 5195]

Spawn campers are serving the community, they are teaching new players a valuable lesson about trust and about moving slow and predictably in open areas and along roads.

[deltadoc 0]

@HerrJon your more detailed list gives me exactly what i was looking for, more of an insight on why players do what they do. I thank you for your views and am amazed, although in some ways I do still feel this more as a cowards tactic, I now see it as more than such. I am impressed with yourself and would love to play with you someday and perhaps learn more from yourself about the world of day z.

@Jamz & terrex I understand this is a game and to not take it personal, its not as if I'm rage quitting I just wanted more of an insight of why players do what they do within the game, I'm not an impatient man and do not feel any ill feelings towards those that kill me.

@Dallas I do not exactly understand how spawn campers help the community, yes one must learn to move slow and more stealth like but killing players as soon as they spawn is no way to teach new players much in my opinion, if you do not mind sharing more on how this helps new players i would be most appreciative.

@texcat11 I agree I still have much to learn in the game of day z, but at least I'm not a complete newb in the game of day z, just looking to learn more, I feel everyone can benefit from learning something new everyday.

[Lefroy Jenkins 32]

lets start this off with a story.

A new player to Day z washes up on shore, with what little knowledge he has he begins his journey looking for what little bits and pieces he can find to survive, as he is traveling from small town to small town he find himself shot in the back of the head by a fully kitted sniper.

now let me ask you why in the world would a fully armed man go out of his way to scout out and pick off defenseless players, are people really that desperate they must kill unarmed civilian to survive, and what does that mean for our future, has mankind sunk so low we must literally kill or be killed even against those with no means or capability of fighting back? I mean in my opinion any pussy can pull a trigger and kill something, but it takes a real man to trust others and put your life on the line to help out those who are need of help. (Hero's FTW)

I'm sorry for those of you that have actually read this little rant of mine, but I just am curious to find and hear the reasoning's behind the senseless killings of new players and unarmed vets of Day z, and am curious to find out if things turn out for the better on private servers and such.

Well, I play on a private hive server that is implementing cannibalism, so there is now a valid reason to shoot fresh spawns. It would be the same reason we don't currently hunt bear with a knife. :) Seriously though, in a real-world apocalypse, food would become scarce, and many people would indeed turn to carving up their fellow man to provide themselves sustenance.

Of course, I don't think you can butcher a corpse in the public hive.... yet, so those guys are just being douches.. :)

To the guys I just collectively called douches - hey, I'm not saying you can't/shouldn't do it, it's up to you. But you can't really get upset about being called douches for it. That's the trade you make for it.

Personally, I play to my name. I run everywhere, I carry only a hatchet - guns get me killed. However, I always stock up on med supplies and food/drink. Anybody I meet is welcome to these items, even those who try to kill me. I'll run and hide, but make the offer of a transfusion before I die.