water from the sea

[ghillie gang johansen 4]

I'd like to see you to be able take water from the sea BUT you have to cook it first that would i see added to DayZ

Edited October 10, 2012 by ghillie gang johansen

[sp86 508]

?

Boiling sea water would make it more dangerous not less.

[Welch (DayZ) 756]

There should be like you have to make a fire and cook your canteen, so you would burn all of the bacteria that you collected from the fresh water. Or else you'd have a chance to get an Infection, so you'd need antibiotics.

Salt water's undrinkable, no matter what.

[Rastamaus 323]

it is possible to

?

Boiling sea water would make it more dangerous not less.

wrong

http://www.ehow.co.u...-sea-water.html

good idea, have my beans

Edited October 9, 2012 by Rastamaus

[ProfessorKoble 17]

Ok listen. This is really stupid. You cant drink sea water. You would get sick. I dont know if your 8 or something but think before you post -.-

[sp86 508]

it is possible to

wrong

http://www.ehow.co.u...-sea-water.html

good idea, have my beans

Distillation != "Cooking" seawater

Desalination is an energy intensive process that takes time.

[Carl Weathers 3]

Step 1 Boil seawater with towel over it.

Step 2 Ring steam from towel

Step 3 drink towel water

Step 4 profit

Not sure how realistic it is to think you'd be able to do so in the zombie apocalypse but I like where you heads at.

[AH-Sean 13]

Collecting water from ponds for instant hydration.

Collect water on the coast and make a fire to boil it which might expose you, you also need matches to begin with.

Sounds like its pretty fair to add this, seeing as they both have pros and cons. ie, (nearest pond is 2km away or its the middle of the night on a populated server, so lighting a fire deosnt seem like the best idea)

[birdman 108]

it is possible to

wrong

http://www.ehow.co.u...-sea-water.html

good idea, have my beans

This process you linked requires a "special apparatus". You won't have it.

[Rastamaus 323]

This process you linked requires a "special apparatus". You won't have it.

specialist apparatus? a fire, a pot and some polythene?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itOHm0IixrQ

[enforcer1975 1111]

it is possible to

wrong

http://www.ehow.co.u...-sea-water.html

good idea, have my beans

Distilled water is dead water, you would die sooner than later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#Methods

Edited October 10, 2012 by Enforcer

[Frozen (DayZ) 144]

Distilled water is dead water, you would die sooner than later.

http://en.wikipedia....ination#Methods

WTF?

[Riem 164]

Desalination is a simple process that would take time, yes, but is very real and practical should you have some simple materials.

Honestly I'm surprised it hasn't been suggested before.

I'm even more surprised half of the comments here don't seem to get how simple it is.

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/drinkseawater.html

Plus, there are filtration systems that use osmosis to pass water through them, trapping salt particles on one side, and filtering it that way.

http://www.storeitfoods.com/seapack

These would have to be incredibly rare in game, but would be so very useful.

[sp86 508]

Desalination is a simple process that would take time, yes, but is very real and practical should you have some simple materials.

Honestly I'm surprised it hasn't been suggested before.

I'm even more surprised half of the comments here don't seem to get how simple it is.

Simple doesn't equate to being easy, and it certainly doesn't equate to being energy efficient. The time spent gathering firewood, setting up a still, hauling water and then cleaning the still is vastly inferior to visiting a readily available freshwater source common in the low-lying coastal areas.

[Riem 164]

Simple doesn't equate to being easy, and it certainly doesn't equate to being energy efficient. The time spent gathering firewood, setting up a still, hauling water and then cleaning the still is vastly inferior to visiting a readily available freshwater source common in the low-lying coastal areas.

Very true. But as it was mentioned, it would be an option for if the water on the map were, say, near a crowded area and you wished to trade expedience for being able to have fresh water.

Also, the osmosis filters take a large time as well, up to five hours for a few glasses of water. Not practical, or time efficient, but it would be an option.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Riem

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Simple doesn't equate to being easy, and it certainly doesn't equate to being energy efficient. The time spent gathering firewood, setting up a still, hauling water and then cleaning the still is vastly inferior to visiting a readily available freshwater source common in the low-lying coastal areas.

This is a good point. While desalination is achievable through fairly simple means, it wouldn't be worth it only to collect one canteen of drinkable water, unless you were on a desert island and had fuckall else to do.

I can picture a filtration system being added as a VERY rare loot spawn, but to perform the task by other means would be an action reserved for those who maintain a coastal camp or have something totally preventing their access to any fresh water.

EDIT: Of course I agree it should always be an option.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Chabowski

[enforcer1975 1111]

WTF?

Health concerns

The drinking of distilled water has been both advocated and discouraged for health reasons. The lack of naturally occurring minerals in distilled water has raised some concerns.

Very true. But as it was mentioned, it would be an option for if the water on the map were, say, near a crowded area and you wished to trade expedience for being able to have fresh water.

Also, the osmosis filters would not take so much time, either, though I'm not sure how many times they could be used.

Given that you have the materials...it's not like you can find these filters lying around everywhere and to produce the small amounts of water you would need a lot of effort.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Enforcer

[Frozen (DayZ) 144]

i doubt that lack of salts in distilled water is an issue, since you can get the salts from food.

[linuxmaster9 13]

Simple doesn't equate to being easy, and it certainly doesn't equate to being energy efficient. The time spent gathering firewood, setting up a still, hauling water and then cleaning the still is vastly inferior to visiting a readily available freshwater source common in the low-lying coastal areas.

since when was this game "easy"? I find car, it needs engine parts, car tires, scrap metal, fuel tank, and fuel. I have to find those spread across the map, hope i have the space for all of them (unlikely) make the trips w/o getting killed and hope someone has not taken the vehicle. Also, just because the water is "dead" does not mean you will die from drinking it. You will not die of dehydration from consuming it, but you may suffer from a loss of iron and other minerals in your diet. This is essentially the same argument against bottled water. If all the impurities are removed then all of the (additional) benefits are removed also. Iron, calcium and fluoride are just a few of the extras you get from tap water.

Distilled water is one of the world’s best and purest waters! It is excellent for detoxification and fasting programs and for helping clean out all the cells, organs, and fluids of the body because it can help carry away so many harmful substances! Water from chemically-treated public water systems, and even from many wells and springs, is likely to be loaded with poisonous chemicals and toxic trace elements. The water in our homes, offices, schools, hospitals, etc., is likely to be overloaded with zinc (from old fashioned galvanized pipes) or with copper and cadmium (from copper pipes).

A sign of dehydration is constipation. Burning, irritating urine is another sign. When you drink a glass of water, it goes directly to your stomach. Part of the water is absorbed directly into your blood stream through the walls of the stomach. The remainder goes to the intestines to keep the food you eat in a liquid state while being absorbed; this is later absorbed directly into the blood.

The right kind of water is one of your best natural protections against all kinds of virus infections, such as influenza, pneumonia, whooping cough, measles, and other infectious diseases. When the body tissues are kept supplied with the correct amount of water, they can fight off the attacks of viruses. If the body cells are water starved, they become parched, dry, and shrivel, making it easy for viruses to attack.

One of the most important functions of water is to flush out toxins and salt from the body. People who drink the right amount of liquids (distilled water, fresh fruits and vegetables and their juices) have better circulation which is most important to super-health and long life.

There are 2 kinds of chemicals, inorganic and organic. The inorganic chemicals like chlorine, alum, and sodium fluoride cannot be healthfully utilized by the living tissues of the body. Our body chemistry is composed of 19 organic minerals, which must come from that which is living or has lived. Even though the soil contains 16 inorganic minerals, our bodies cannot absorb them efficiently enough to sustain life. Only a living plant can convert inorganic minerals into organic minerals. Only plants.

Chlorine, alum, calcium carbonate, magnesium, carbonate, potassium carbonate, and other inorganic minerals are put into our drinking water for cleanliness. The human body needs only hydrogen and oxygen as a natural solvent in the body chemistry.

Distillation, when combined with carbon filtration, will kill and remove virtually 100% of bacteria, viruses, cysts, as well as, heavy metals, radionuclides, organics, inorganics, and particulates. And yes, it will remove minerals, which fall under volatile organic contaminants (VOC's).

All of our minerals are derived from our food: fresh fruits, vegetables, meat, poultry, grains, nuts, and dairy products. The minerals in water are so scant that in Boston, MA for example, one would have to drink 676 8-ounce glasses of tap water to obtain the Recommended Daily Allowance ( RDA) of calcium. That person would have to drink 1,848 8-ounce glasses to get RDA of magnesium, 848 8-ounce glasses to get RDA of iron, and 168,960 8-ounce glasses to obtain the RDA of phosphorus. It seems insane to even think about drinking that much water. Most people can't even drink the recommended 8 glasses of water a day that is widely touted by health experts.

Place the 9 different kinds of water before a goat, for example, and he will select the distilled water. What the Experts say about Distilled Water

"If you decide on bottled water, make sure it's distilled, (however), in the long run you'll save money if you clean your water at home. It's more convenient than hauling gallon jugs from the store. The 'gold standard' for purifying your water is a system that distills your water and filters it. You have the comfort of knowing there is no chlorine, fluoride, bacteria, viruses, pesticides, or lead. You get nothing but H2O." Maximum Health.

Dr. Robert D. Willix, Jr., M.D.

"Let me classify the nine kinds of water. They are hard water, raw water, boiled water, soft water, rain water, snow water, filtered water, de-ionized water, and distilled water. All are kinds of water - but remember this: only one of these nine kinds of water is good for you. Distilled water is water which has been turned into vapor, so that all its impurities are left behind. Then, by condensing, it is turned back to pure water. It is the only water which is pure - the only water free from all impurities". The Choice Is Clear

Dr. Allen E. Banik

"Distillation provides us with the purest water obtainable . . . by all means make the smart choice in the type of water you drink. There should only be one choice - PURE! And pure means distilled." Fit For Life II: Living Health

Harvey & Marilyn Diamond

"Even tap water invariably contains a variety of poisons such as chlorine, chloramine, asbestos, pesticides, fluoride, copper, mercury, and lead. The best way to remove all these contaminants is by distilling." How To Save Your Teeth: Toxic-Free Preventative Dentistry

Dr. David Kennedy, D.D.S.

"The home distiller is the best method and also the best way to get distilled water. It is the only reliable home water purification for taking fluoride out of the water." Fluoride: The Aging Factor

Dr. John Yiamoyuiannis, Ph.D.

"Water hardness (inorganic minerals in solution) is the underlying cause of many, if not all, of the diseases resulting from poisons in the intestinal tract. These (hard minerals) pass from the intestinal walls and get into the lymphatic system, which delivers all of its products to the blood, which in turn, distributes to all parts of the body. This is the cause of much human disease." Dr. Charles Mayo of the Mayo Clinic

"Again, let me state empathetically that, in my opinion, the misery of arthritis is caused by hard water saturated with inorganic minerals and an unbalanced diet, forming acid crystals in the moveable joints, plus inactivity of the body in general." Paul C. Bragg, N.D., Ph.D.

"The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals. All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be eliminated. Distilled water is the only water that can be taken into the body without damage to the tissues."

Dr. Allen E. Banik, M.D., who spent much of his life researching the effects of water on the human body reported this in his publication

The Choice Is Clear

:

"The body's need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking water." The American Medical Association.

"The greatest damage done by inorganic minerals - plus waxy cholesterol and salt - is to the small arteries and other blood vessels of the brain (75% water). Hardening of the arteries and calcification of blood vessels starts on the day you start taking inorganic chemicals and minerals from the tap water into your bodies." The Shocking Truth About Water

Dr. Paul Bragg, N.D., Ph.D.

"Distillation involves the process of vaporizing water by boiling it. The steam rises, leaving behind most bacteria, viruses, chemicals, minerals, and pollutants from the water. The steam is then moved into a condensing chamber where it is cooled and condensed to become distilled water . . . We believe that only steam-distilled water should be consumed." Prescription for Nutritional Healing

James F. Balch, M.D. & Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C.

"The only type of water that seems to be fit for consumption is distilled water, which is water that is absolutely free of any minerals or chemicals. Distilled water is made pure by first being heated to the point of vaporization, so that all of the 'impurities' are left behind. Then, the water vapor is condensed. The process results in water that is in its purest form. Distillation is the single most effective method of water purification." A Diabetic Doctor Looks at Diabetes

Peter A. Lodewick, M.D.

"If I lived on a desert Island, or a coastal location, or next to any body of water ie; sewage, toxic, salted, chemicalized, or poisoned, as long as I had my distiller I would not fear lack of pure water. Aircraft carriers can travel the high seas indefinitely, and have all the pure water they can drink. How can this be, when they are surrounded by salt water? They are fitted with distillers."

Scott Workman

***Courtesy of

http://www.ecclesia....ruth/water.html ****

A simple method for distilling water:

Edited October 10, 2012 by LinuxMaster9

[sp86 508]

since when was this game "easy"?

Survival is often about knowing when to take the path of least resistance. Setting up a still to cook off water in an area commonly trafficked by people looking to kill you and providing the logistics therefor vs. finding a canteen and filling it in a pond is a no brainer, frog-shit flavored water notwithstanding.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

To be fair, performing any action, in any location, at any time, in DayZ, is a potential recipe for disaster.

The more choice the better,

Maximum options, Minimum restrictions

[birdman 108]

Trimming your toenails so you don't crack them to the quick and cause an infection.

Trimming your hair and beard so you don't catch lice.

Bathing so you don't get prickly heat rash or get sick.

Sleeping.

Cleaning your teeth to avoid tooth decay.

Doing preventative maintenance on your weapons to prevent rust.

Emptying magazines to decompress springs to prevent feeding difficulties.

Drying out your equipment after swimming or rain.

Ant, snake or spider bites.

Nursing sickness such as cold's, flu and others.

There are lots of things we can add, but why?

.

The more choice the better,

NO!

I don't want to fear death because my character rolled his ankle on a root or stone. I don't want to get sick because I haven't bathed or washed my hand before I eat. Do you really believe the more variables thrown in the better? What if you tweak your back when you bend over to loot a backpack? Do you have to stay crouched until you find some ibuprofen? Army wisdom (KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid).

I would be for a system where you simply click "collect water" (from a valid source) and "purify water" (if needed) as options. The second used if you collect water from a stagnant source and must boil it or an ocean and must desalinate it. It should take time, but looting for iodine tablets, a pot, fire, plastic, collection bins, a reverse osmosis filter etc to make drinkable water is just silly and will piss even you off after a while. It should take time but the only animation should be a pot on a fire considering you have a fire, a pot and water.

EDIT: Fix your goddamn thread tags to "water" not "wather". Why bother tagging if it's spelled wrong?

Edited October 10, 2012 by thebirdolux

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

I really can't see why this would be useful. It's not worth the time put into it. There are so many wells and water pumps spread around the map, it just wouldn't make sense to go through all the trouble that comes with it do be a viable alternative.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

(List of things)

Do you really believe the more variables thrown in the better?

Choice consists of the mental process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one or more of them

I'm talking about adding options, not forcing you to cut your toenails.

I fail to understand why the thought of more potential sources of clean water so heartily offends you.

In actual fact, I wouldn't be too surprised to see some of your 'piss take' suggestions in the standalone.

I'm sure your deliberate exaggeration was funny when you were writing it, but you have to understand, the whole sandbox doesn't want to play by "acceptable videogame rules".

EDIT: As a side note, any possible expansion on the survival and preparation side of DayZ is good in my book.

There is, of course, a point where it just gets stupid.

Everybody should be open to expanding the scope of DayZ, it's now new things should be trialled.

It could be the best thing that ever happened! (but probably not) Just don't knock it 'til we've tried it.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Chabowski

[birdman 108]

I'm talking about adding options, not forcing you to cut your toenails.

I fail to understand why the thought of more potential sources of clean water so heartily offends you.

In actual fact, I wouldn't be too surprised to see some of your 'piss take' suggestions in the standalone.

I'm sure your deliberate exaggeration was funny when you were writing it, but you have to understand, the whole sandbox doesn't want to play by your rules.

If you read to the bottom I said I don't have a problem with a simple purification process after collection. Although less realistic clicking "purify water", no matter the source of the water to the outcome of clean water, is better than sticking a pH strip in it or finding chlorine tablets (although chlorine tablets are the fastest, safest option). I agree all standing water should be purified of salt or bacteria or whatever else. But, I'm not going to spend my time finding supplies to purify water, to drink water, then to start again finding purification items before I dehydrate again.