And this is why I don't bother with anything but PvP

[sostronk 334]

Obviously you aren't hiding them well enough, or the server in which you hid them contained at least one hacker.

yeah that must be it...dumbass.

[Delta Smoke 01 765]

honestly all you idiots saying hide your stuff better have no clue just how rampent that Navigator hack is and how inept the anti cheat is at detecting it.

We recently did a test, we took 10 tents, put them up in the middle of no where literally right at the edge of the map right in one of the corners, we also moved 4 cars there, tents and cars were all empty we left the engines running, we sat for a few hours, you would not beleive the number of people who literally logged in, or spawned and then ran in a direct line right all the camp and all its vehicles, and not one of them got detected by battle eye or anti cheat gotcha thing.

its staggering the number of people you play with every day and simply have no idea just how many of them are actually cheating.

SO NO!..

Until that shit gets fixed, or detected you can say to him, hide your stuff better, what you could suggest is that he hide his stuff as far north as possible, the only benefit to this is that he can hope some other noob has hidden his stuff closer to the hacker, we all know their lazy bastards and will take what ever is closest, also NEVER take high value cars, flatbeds, urals, leave them alone the hackers will ALWAYs go for them.

I find sticking to the littl blue van, and bikes to be best.

honestly all you idiots saying hide your stuff better have no clue just how rampent that Navigator hack is and how inept the anti cheat is at detecting it.

We recently did a test, we took 10 tents, put them up in the middle of no where literally right at the edge of the map right in one of the corners, we also moved 4 cars there, tents and cars were all empty we left the engines running, we sat for a few hours, you would not beleive the number of people who literally logged in, or spawned and then ran in a direct line right all the camp and all its vehicles, and not one of them got detected by battle eye or anti cheat gotcha thing.

its staggering the number of people you play with every day and simply have no idea just how many of them are actually cheating.

SO NO!..

Until that shit gets fixed, or detected you can say to him, hide your stuff better, what you could suggest is that he hide his stuff as far north as possible, the only benefit to this is that he can hope some other noob has hidden his stuff closer to the hacker, we all know their lazy bastards and will take what ever is closest, also NEVER take high value cars, flatbeds, urals, leave them alone the hackers will ALWAYs go for them.

I find sticking to the littl blue van, and bikes to be best.

Why is every post you make either a rant or abuse ? Im on your case. Either learn some respect or be removed from the forums.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Ignoring that fact that the DayZ Official servers are at saturation point with skiddies dosent really address the issue does it?? Ofcourse your not going to see hackers running rampant on a private hive cause the owners can ban any that come on...we don't have that luxury with the Offical servers.

I'm not ignoring the fact that public servers have skiddie issues. Rocket himself has said that for the best experience play on a private hive. If you play on public hives your going to get hacked, it's as simple as that. If you repeatedly insist on playing on public hives and then repeatedly complain about hackers then you're pretty much ticking the boxes for the definition of stupid. Everyone's advice for the last 2 months has been to use private hives if you want to avoid hacking.

OP - For the love of God please try a private hive. If you want I can recommend you a good one with good admins. I promise your faith will be restored and the only reason you will lose gear will be because you got out-played. If you are on a private hive then you need to find one that is run properly.

Edited October 9, 2012 by Fraggle

[St0Ne4Ge 2]

Dude we get it, you're upset, stop taking it out on other people. Also nobody cares if you become a bandit, it's not a very effective threat lol.

Simple fact is if you've lost HUNDREDS of tents lasting less than 24 hours you are doing something wrong, I don't believe for a second that you have but I will humour your whining.

[okami (DayZ) 129]

I'm not ignoring the fact that public servers have skiddie issues. Rocket himself has said that for the best experience play on a private hive. If you play on public hives your going to get hacked, it's as simple as that. If you repeatedly insist on playing on public hives and then repeatedly complain about hackers then you're pretty much ticking the boxes for the definition of stupid. Everyone's advice for the last 2 months has been to use private hives if you want to avoid hacking.

From my experience in the last few days i think hackers on the private hives just use less obvious hacks but they are still there, in the same number as on the public servers. All they do is stop teleporting people into the air or to some thunderdome deathmatch areas but i found enough people using godmode, weapon hacks (AS50 TWS), teleporting aso. Everything which does not annoy enough people for most admins to react.

And i would like to comment to the OP also, i think its a valid point he is arguing about and its way to easy to say its just qq.

I dont have a clan to play dayz with (i know some of you might not understand this but when you start working, own a house etc its hard enough to find time to play alone, its almost impossible to find time when you and your friends can play together...) and for a solo player without the ability to save something permanently its almost impossible to repair and own a car. This is something which should be adressed and possible solutions should be discussed. I can not see any senseless qq here.

Edited October 9, 2012 by okami

[sostronk 334]

OP - For the love of God please try a private hive. If you want I can recommend you a good one with good admins. I promise your faith will be restored and the only reason you will lose gear will be because you got out-played. If you are on a private hive then you need to find one that is run properly.

I mostly play on private hives, including some of the whitelisted ones that I won't name, but Im sure you know the ones I am takling about. Even in the whitelisted ones, there are players clearly using navigator/ESP hacks and teleporting. These are the two main threats to tents. Ive had a few times where I have walked away from a full tent and returned 30 minutes later after one loot run and found the tent empty.

Dude we get it, you're upset, stop taking it out on other people. Also nobody cares if you become a bandit, it's not a very effective threat lol.

Simple fact is if you've lost HUNDREDS of tents lasting less than 24 hours you are doing something wrong, I don't believe for a second that you have but I will humour your whining.

And yet another person completely misses the point. This isn't about me. Its an experience everyone has. There is no point in working towards this stuff because its just going to be stolen/destroyed when you cannot protect it. There are reasons why there are so many bandits in this game. This is a major reason for it. People could occupy their time by completing these tasks like repairing vehicles, but theres no point. The current setup of tents and vehicles where you have to be online 24/7 to protect them just isn't going to cut it in standalone.

I apologize, but Im going to say the W word. WarZ is implementing a system called "stronghold" where you can store stuff whilst your offline. It can be set to private or public. If its private players can only get access to this area if invited. If its public, anyone can access it. I really am hoping that this underground system that Rocket is talking about in DayZ will be the same. With more content that isn't griefed overnight players won't be so aggressive and KOS so often. Because there will be more worthwhile things to do than kill other players.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

I'll pm you with a recommendation.

[dgeesio 1034]

we should have a recommended private hive list ;)

basically if you new learn the basics.

once you have a good understanding of the game you role with what you need and forget about tents.

id take a decent gun and a bike and be happy

[puppetworx 474]

OP is right, for the wrong reasons. Right about one thing anyway. Okay he's not really right at all. OP is mostly wrong.

Anyway what sostronk is saying, which I sympathize with, is that the only enjoyment he gets from the game is from killing people, every other avenue leads to dissatisfaction. That's probably because the the thrill of a gunfight gives you a surge of adrenaline and all kinds of good shit, whereas building up a base only to have it raided is like a slow burn which abruptly fizzles out completely. The real draw of the game for beginners is that intensity brought by avoiding zombies, but now everyone knows you can just sprint right through them all that is completely lost and you have to get your kicks elsewhere.

That said he's putting all the blame for his dissatisfaction on the lack of invulnerable storage, that's dumb. Skiddies and weak-ass zombies are far greater factors and the standalone address these. This thread is 57% QQ, 42% "u mad bro?" and 1% fallacious statistics that I'm making up as I go(u mad rocket?).

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

I don't really care. Its limiting the gameplay. I want to branch out into things other than raping scrubs in this game. Turns out theres no point. Its easier to keeping my shit up by griefing others than it is to play nicely. I really don't see how people aren't seeing this. And really please stop giving me tips on how to hide tents. For real, Ive fucking placed them all over the map and lost them everywhere on the map. I didn't start playing this game yesterday. If Rocket doesn't implement a system in standalone where you don't have to be online 24 hours a day 7 days a week, all this game will ever be is bandits killing survivors.

And yeah I went on a killing spree this afternoon. Had more fun doing that. Almost died once to a ghoster who logged after I killed his mate and then relogged while I was looting his mates body. One more hit and I was gone but I got that bitch and enjoyed it more than the 20 hours of loot farming to repair up vehicles on the weekend.

Join a private server then u moron - it's been said enough here and yet you persist by playing on the dumbass public servers. You are an idiot for doing that when you know there's a good option available but you don't want it. Sounds to me like ur just trying to justify being an asshole.

[_headripper_ 8]

I don't really care. Its limiting the gameplay. I want to branch out into things other than raping scrubs in this game. Turns out theres no point. Its easier to keeping my shit up by griefing others than it is to play nicely. I really don't see how people aren't seeing this. And really please stop giving me tips on how to hide tents. For real, Ive fucking placed them all over the map and lost them everywhere on the map. I didn't start playing this game yesterday. If Rocket doesn't implement a system in standalone where you don't have to be online 24 hours a day 7 days a week, all this game will ever be is bandits killing survivors.

And yeah I went on a killing spree this afternoon. Had more fun doing that. Almost died once to a ghoster who logged after I killed his mate and then relogged while I was looting his mates body. One more hit and I was gone but I got that bitch and enjoyed it more than the 20 hours of loot farming to repair up vehicles on the weekend.

Ive realized the same, ppl using third part software can pinpoint my tent(s) even if i placed em really constructive (aka just 5cm of the tents corner is visible and u need to stand on top of it)

Its much more rewarding and easy to set up a ambush and kill well geared ppl than to put serious time to loot the stuff in its spawnplace.

Killed so many in the last days that ive need to make paper notes of killcount/server :D

I would prefer the other way but reality say something different.

[sostronk 334]

Join a private server then u moron - it's been said enough here and yet you persist by playing on the dumbass public servers. You are an idiot for doing that when you know there's a good option available but you don't want it. Sounds to me like ur just trying to justify being an asshole.

Maybe you should read the thread, I mostly only play on Private servers these days as Ive already stated.

[sostronk 334]

OP is right, for the wrong reasons. Right about one thing anyway. Okay he's not really right at all. OP is mostly wrong.

Anyway what sostronk is saying, which I sympathize with, is that the only enjoyment he gets from the game is from killing people, every other avenue leads to dissatisfaction. That's probably because the the thrill of a gunfight gives you a surge of adrenaline and all kinds of good shit, whereas building up a base only to have it raided is like a slow burn which abruptly fizzles out completely. The real draw of the game for beginners is that intensity brought by avoiding zombies, but now everyone knows you can just sprint right through them all that is completely lost and you have to get your kicks elsewhere.

That said he's putting all the blame for his dissatisfaction on the lack of invulnerable storage, that's dumb. Skiddies and weak-ass zombies are far greater factors and the standalone address these. This thread is 57% QQ, 42% "u mad bro?" and 1% fallacious statistics that I'm making up as I go(u mad rocket?).

ESP/Navigator will definitely be in the standalone. Ill bet my left testicle on that. Teleport maybe not, but probably.

EDIT: The (actual) hackers found alot of income from this mod. They have honed in on it now.

Edited October 9, 2012 by sostronk

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Every game has hackers. The standalone will be no different in that respect, although things will be a lot better than they are now.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

I mostly play on private hives, including some of the whitelisted ones that I won't name, but Im sure you know the ones I am takling about. Even in the whitelisted ones, there are players clearly using navigator/ESP hacks and teleporting. These are the two main threats to tents. Ive had a few times where I have walked away from a full tent and returned 30 minutes later after one loot run and found the tent empty.

And yet another person completely misses the point. This isn't about me. Its an experience everyone has. There is no point in working towards this stuff because its just going to be stolen/destroyed when you cannot protect it. There are reasons why there are so many bandits in this game. This is a major reason for it. People could occupy their time by completing these tasks like repairing vehicles, but theres no point. The current setup of tents and vehicles where you have to be online 24/7 to protect them just isn't going to cut it in standalone.

I apologize, but Im going to say the W word. WarZ is implementing a system called "stronghold" where you can store stuff whilst your offline. It can be set to private or public. If its private players can only get access to this area if invited. If its public, anyone can access it. I really am hoping that this underground system that Rocket is talking about in DayZ will be the same. With more content that isn't griefed overnight players won't be so aggressive and KOS so often. Because there will be more worthwhile things to do than kill other players.

Can't say I've had this experience you're talking about. My tents and vehicles have been fine so far but as I leave them in one spot, I know at some point someone will find them eventually - law of averages.

Of course you could RELOCATE your base each day or two but that's too much work I guess. Ur also bitching about a game that allows hacking knowing that the SA will address this. Reading that u already play on private hives i'm wondering which ones since the ones i play on seem perfectly well admin'd

[puppetworx 474]

ESP/Navigator will definitely be in the standalone. Ill bet my left testicle on that. Teleport maybe not, but probably.

Yeah I worry about navigator too. I posed a question to rocket about it because if it's working by packet-sniffing then the only way I can imagine solving it is to re-write the networking part of the code from ARMA 2: OA (which they have stated no intention of doing, in fact the opposite) or by encrypting the network traffic which may not be so easy. I don't know, I'm not an expert on coding but as far as I know those are the only options. So far no reply, but I'd really like to know if this non-scripting exploit is going to be addressed or not in the standalone.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

He probably doesn't want to make anything public regarding what techniques they will use to deter hacking, that would be pretty stupid.

[pieflavor 38]

most bandits are people who play alone and therefore have not enough manpower to do large scale operations of hoarding, I'm sure you'll see everything differently if you join a so called "hoarders" clan, my personal experience is that you will end up with camps so big that if someone discovers it they will feel put off on stealing stuff or blowing everything up, because not only are there not enough satchel charges, there's also too much stuff to carry by a single person, and too many vehicles to dedicate yourself into driving them away, knowing that they will come back to take it from you. Not to count the fact these will be in low pop unadvertised servers with active admins

Edited October 9, 2012 by Pie Flavor

[Josh225 129]

Not sure if you guys would ever have had a look at the navigator (Hope you havn't) but I've had people on my skype contacts watch a worrying amount of people go straight to spawned vehicles or other concealed players. More people use the navigator than I first thought, it's actually a bigger problem to me right now than the scripters.

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

*cough*

I've had a camp held for over a month on one server.. At least an average of 10 players each day.

What were you saying?

What you mean with "held"? No matter what you do.. map hacks are public, there's no possibility to "hide" anything.

[jimbojones 0]

Pretty sure the positions of all players/items are stored unencrypted in game memory on each client. Encrypted network packets wouldnt cut it, you'll still have people seeing where you and your stuff are at any given time. Since they use third party software to do this it would be almost impossible to stop unless they are changing the way the game engine stores the data. And for those who havnt seen, dont go looking, they are really a huge buzzkill. I know they killed my motivation to log in once I found out.

Edited October 9, 2012 by Uku

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

Pretty sure the positions of all players/items are stored unencrypted in game memory on each client. Encrypted network packets wouldnt cut it, you'll still have people seeing where you and your stuff are at any given time. Since they use third party software to do this it would be almost impossible to stop unless they are changing the way the game engine stores the data. And for those who havnt seen, dont go looking, they are really a huge buzzkill. I know they killed my motivation to log in once I found out.

My motivation is gone under my shoes by a while already... my crew is playing Arma2 MP missions atm.. it was impossible to do anything in dayz due to cheaters everywhere.

I was thinking to create a sort of "police" on the private hive servers.. basically ppl *cheating* but with no weapons, just lurking the other players, finding ppl teleporting around, or spawning stuff, or acting "oddly" (ie: a new spawn that goes directly to a bike, then goes to a tent.. kwnowing perfectly where they are placed, miles away).

That is basically what we're doing to collect the (undetected) cheaters right now, but using an algorythm to determine if someone is cheating or not... with the difference that a "real" person is a way smarter than a PC. The only (isn't that small) problem is that you need to trust that players, even if they doesn't carry a weapon, they may know every player/vehicles/anything position on the server, and with the amount of "kids" playing this game.. you can't really trust anyone. The other problem is that you'll be flagged as "cheater" (even if your intentions are "good") .. and so you gonna risk your KEY (and so your money). And last but not least: how to find someone that have enough time to look around without playing? It must be a serious nerd! :)

Edited October 9, 2012 by WalkerDown

[tommes 331]

OP has a good point here. At first I really cared about my stuff. After getting killed a couple of times you lose that affection, especially if the cause was a hacker. Conclusion: Gearing up is only interesting until you are strong enough to take on other players. That's relatively easy and not really time consuming.

Getting and keeping vehicles is out of the question for a loner, especially when he can only play a couple of hours a week, as normal with people having a life....and playing on different servers each time. So there's no reason to bother with that unless beeing lucky or able to steal/carjack from someone else.

Same with keeping a camp.

The so called endgame for such players can only be fucking around with other players like trolling or just killing them on sight hence trying to be friendly most of the times will not be rewarded.

The only solution I see for now is going on a private hive and trying to stick to a single server. There you might make friends or keep a camp or something. You might...

[mdmonnik@deakin.edu.au 139]

Everyone is missing the point. The fun and enjoyment is IN the actual process of collecting gear and repairing vehicles, it's the GOAL that you should look at, rather than it being work. If I looked at the game as if looting and repiaring was 'work' I would never play it. Enjoy it while you have it, cause you're going to lose it anyway.

[Osaka (DayZ) 32]

Well I find it cool to hide my things. It adds reality to the game. You can't guard your crap all the time, you need to sleep sometimes.

And real life bandits like to rob your ass once you sleep. Less risk, less problems.

Whenever I find a random tent "hidden" in the forest, and nobody is around, yeah sure I'll loot whatever I like to have.

Yesterday on a server I foudn two tents and a working ATV "hidden" in a forest. I got a nice pack of ammo for my M4 and an ATV to boot. I stole a coke while I was at it, but left a bloodbag and a morphine as a consolation. I needed a few slots free in my backpack anyway. might as well give them that loot.

I might have saved their lives as they dragged their broken legs back to their tent, and found medical supplies instead of ammo. At least they'd got back on their feet without risking to get medical supplies from a dangerous place.

I'm a goodie goodie, but I will rob your ass if I need to.

Thanks for the ATV though.