Banned from a server.

[flypp 21]

I just forget a pair of models to mention. If I see them in the game, I know if it's legit or not.

And all we know the "hacked" weapons that people gear ingame. (AS50 TWS, PDW SD or any G36).

Taking that gun gives you an unfair advantage over other players. That's all.

Nice players who sees a body with that weapon, just burry him.

Admins who cares about legit players, just kick (or ban) the owner (in most cases, I can see an advice at joining).

I can't find how terrible is that. Rocket can say whatever he wants. There are the admins who cares about the community. I fully support their kicks/bans.

[Core618 11]

He was wrong about what weapons are in game, and it proves my point. He "researched" it and came back wrong. There are a lot of discrepancies like that on the forums. If there was an in/game list that everyone had access to an was the official word of rocket, then this would be a whole different argument.

People who post on forums and do out of game research is a small minority of people who play the game. Your average John Doe isn't even going to know that a weapon he picks up could be hacked in, how would he know, how would he even know where to look? The website? No. The forums? No. An unofficial wiki? Yes.

Now I 100% agree with letting someone know they have a hacked weapon and making them remove it, if they don't then fine ban them.

I do not agree that banning someone for using a hacked weapon that they looted and then making them appeal that ban is the correct course of action.

I will never ever agree with the "I pay for it so I don't care what the agreement says, this is my server and I run it how I want". Private servers fine, do whatever makes you happy, but if you're connected to the public hive the rules need followed because what happens on your server has the potential to spill over into other servers.

So you may say "it's simple the weapon was hacked in so they're cheating" but the simple fact is that they aren't cheating. They broke no rules, they didn't use any scripts or hacks or exploits. They killed a guy, looted him and are then punished for playing the game exactly how it was meant to be played.

I'm not saying let them keep the gun, or that having hacked weapons in the game is good on any level. I don't agree that banning people who don't do anything wrong is not the right way to handle the situation.

Again this is all in relation to public servers.

There's a MOTD when you log into my server that says I ban for illegal weapons.

That should be incentive for folks to find out what's legal and what's not.

My job is to make sure the game remains fun for those who use my server, but it is not my job to educate them.

My email address is in the MOTD as well, if they have questions, or wish to dispute a ban, they can contact me. I don't have a problem with that, and have lifted bans already after making sure they understood that if I see it again, the ban becomes permanent.

There is no rule that says I have to allow illegal weapons to be used on my server. I'm not breaking any of the rules I agreed to when I launched the server, I just added a few of my own.

You can argue from your point of view all you like, the reality is, we will continue to disagree as long as you continue to tell me how to run my server. If Rocket ever issues a proclamation stating that we are required to allow hacked in weapons on the server, regardless of how the current owner acquired them, then I'll change my policy. Shortly after that I'll be shutting down my server. His Mod, his choice, my server, my choice.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink to someone else.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I'm on my phone so I can't multi-quote so this is going to address a couple posts after mine.

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Again this is all in relation to public servers.

I also have a MOTD and a link to the DayZ weapons wiki, if people are unsure they will most probably have read the text and either followed the link or followed the instructions saying they should dump the gun on another server and reconnect so they don't show up on the scanner. If i catch someone with an illegal weapon he/she hid on the server on purpose the player will be banned without further notice.

Friday night to saturday morning i was busy banning tons of people with an AS 50 TWS who joined my server at dusk ( i am running it at -6 hours to have more players join when the others go dark and as a sideeffect to attract these individuals and catch them red-handed )...makes me wonder why these people join exactly at that time...they must know what they do otherwise they wouldn't come out when it gets dark ( 80% of all players i remove have the AS 50 TWS, followed by the M4 A1 Holo GL SD ). I mostly am alerted by too many people dropping in a short time if i am playing and not sacrificing my free time looking into the logs, i even caught some hackers and teleporters...this weekend was really fruitful )

[Swineflew 480]

So you guys ban players that login to the server with the weapons, and your way to combat banning innocent players is a motd?

I'm having a senior moment, but doesn't that require you to log into the server to see it?

Either way I'm done arguing this point. We obviously have different thoughts on the matter, and personally I don't care that you pay for a server. Breaking rockets rules regarding the public hive puts you in the same category as people scripting in weapons. Cheaters.

[Zephyrius 1]

This Anon88 guy is just blowing smoke...like honestly trying to say we can't ban people for using hacked weapons and a log isn't enough is just plain ignorant. Like I have stated before, I refuse to let someone get away with cheating due to lack of proof only to wait until a player on my server or myself gets shot in the face with a hacked in weapon. What is even the point in script prevention if we have to die in the game just to prove your a script kiddie. I for one will not wait to die just to ban a kid who can't read between the lines and knows that an AS50 with "TWS" at the end means DON'T USE IT. I agree you should have some sort of warning or MOTD about it if that's your rules just so people are aware of it. That's the key to any rule, making sure the player is aware. You are not forced to play on a server that has made you aware of a rule you don't like....so just don't?

[AADiC 182]

So you guys ban players that login to the server with the weapons, and your way to combat banning innocent players is a motd?

I'm having a senior moment, but doesn't that require you to log into the server to see it?

Either way I'm done arguing this point. We obviously have different thoughts on the matter, and personally I don't care that you pay for a server. Breaking rockets rules regarding the public hive puts you in the same category as people scripting in weapons. Cheaters.

I put people like you into the same category as hackers. You advocate the use of hacked weapons, thus you support hackers. Let me answer this before you even say "Well, then you must put Rocket in that same category", yes I do.

It is simple as pie, the item is not on the loot tables, and people playing cannot get it by legitimate means, so why should anyone be able to use it?

[Swineflew 480]

I put people like you into the same category as hackers. You advocate the use of hacked weapons, thus you support hackers. Let me answer this before you even say "Well, then you must put Rocket in that same category", yes I do.

It is simple as pie, the item is not on the loot tables, and people playing cannot get it by legitimate means, so why should anyone be able to use it?

You really seem to be craving pie all of a sudden lol.

Ideally there wouldn't be hacked weapons in the game, I don't advocate using hacked weapons or duping or scripting etc.

I don't like how the system is setup at all tbh. I understand that this is somewhat the "nature of the beast" and I shun people knowingly using hacked weapons, regardless of how it was acquired, but what I don't like is innocent players getting punished for other people's actions.

I do think there is more that Rocket could do to protect the innocent players, but that's not something that we can count on since he's working on standalone.

I hate that there are hacked in weapons and duping and people using hacked in weapons.

I hate that innocent players are being punished for playing the game normally and getting banned because they found a hackers body.

[Core618 11]

. Breaking rockets rules regarding the public hive puts you in the same category as people scripting in weapons. Cheaters.

I'll repeat, once more. It is not breaking Rocket's rules, merely your interpretation of them.

Check the server hosting rules again, what you will find is:

13. You are permitted to kick for illegitimate weapons/items not intended to be in the game, however please remember, many players do not and should not be expected to know every item that is legitimate and as such we would prefer you do not ban for this.

That doesn't say you cannot do it, it says they would prefer you didn't. Meaning you can, but it is not ideal.

I now only ban repeat offenders, in fact, I just unbanned someone, again, once he dropped off what he obviously knew was causing the problem, and came back.

And yes, MOTD is a valid place to communicate your server rules. I also frequently interact with people on my server via chat from RCon, I had a couple of guys the other night asking where to find lists of illegal items, and I gave them the info, they've been back on a regular basis since, they appreciate a server where they know the hacks are kept to a minimum.

[graphel 9]

While everyone here has a good point, I'll just say this. Every player I have found with hacked guns in the last three weeks to a month has been a server hopping sniper. And these guys dont just have an AS50 TWS and a few M107 rounds for it. They have the complete kit. IE: AS50 TWS, M9SD, L85 thermal, and every tool available, even the radio. They never have any food, and sometimes dont even have a backpack. They are most commonly found on the international hotel at night, and on the hill north east of Elektro... Now I can understand someone running around with an m4 holo sd, and not knowing it's a hacked weapon. But when you are running around with a full kit of high end weapons and in a soldier clothing? Gimme a break. I am really thankful that server admins kick and ban people using these weapons. Not only to level the playing field, but it helps stop the hackers from flooding the main hive servers with those hacked guns. Almost every tent I find now either has a G36, or an AS50 TWS, they are everywhere and the admins are helping with the problem. In my opinion, most players that use hacked weapons are almost as bad as the hackers them selves. Especially on my home server, US IL5, most of the snipers I kill in Elektro or Cherno have hacked guns, if not complete kits.

You argue the point that a player that uses a hacked gun may not know it's illegal. But when I see a group of people from the same clan log onto my home server, I look for them. And when I find them in the usual "l33t scout sniper" spots, they always ALL have hacked gear. Saying that they dont know what they are doing is just idiotic. It's like saying "That guy that found the scud missile launcher at Pik Koslova, and nuked Cherno didn't know it was hacked in, don't ban him!"

I have a feeling that most of the people saying admins are bad for kicking/banning for use of hacked guns, use said hacked guns themselves.

Edited October 3, 2012 by graphel

[Core618 11]

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I have a feeling that most of the people saying admins are bad for kicking/banning for use of hacked guns, use said hacked guns themselves.

That ^^^^

[Swineflew 480]

I'll repeat, once more. It is not breaking Rocket's rules, merely your interpretation of them.

Check the server hosting rules again, what you will find is:

13. You are permitted to kick for illegitimate weapons/items not intended to be in the game, however please remember, many players do not and should not be expected to know every item that is legitimate and as such we would prefer you do not ban for this.

That doesn't say you cannot do it, it says they would prefer you didn't. Meaning you can, but it is not ideal.

I now only ban repeat offenders, in fact, I just unbanned someone, again, once he dropped off what he obviously knew was causing the problem, and came back.

And yes, MOTD is a valid place to communicate your server rules. I also frequently interact with people on my server via chat from RCon, I had a couple of guys the other night asking where to find lists of illegal items, and I gave them the info, they've been back on a regular basis since, they appreciate a server where they know the hacks are kept to a minimum.

Nice change of position. I don't mind this at all.

Except last page your rules were " I do what I want because I pay the bills" which is what I was addressing.

[Core618 11]

No change of position, I still hold with, "I pay the server bill, I'll do as I please", as long as I am operating within the server rules. Which I would still be if I chose to continue banning for the offense.

Before I had no way to auto-kick them, I was only able to be reactive from the logs, so banning known offenders was the option I saw as best to keep some semblance of fair/balanced play for the rest.

Thankfully someone posted the thread about the publicvariableval.txt file, and it catches and kicks, so I don't have to worry about it and can focus on other things.

I have had a false positive from that, but it's been fixed as well.

[Swineflew 480]

Of course you can do as you please if it's in the rules....

Either way I'm glad that auto kicking is the route you've decided upon.

[TBK434 6]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you host private hives.

1, You can and will do as you please.

2, Rocket or the Devs have no power over it due to the fact that they'll need to stop all private hives in order to be fair to the hive they'd like to remove

3, Like 1, if someone comes crying to the forums asking they blacklist your server/hive, you can laugh in their ethernet faces and shit all over their post, because you do as you damn well please.