Deffinition of a nightmare

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Just being positive but do you guys have any fears for the standlalone? dog's? hackers? content not added

I'll start the ball rolling.

Deffinition of a nightmare: the standalone is released and hackers find out how to hack it.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

My nightmare: Standalone is released and we need to collect gold coins to pay for perks. Also we'll then need to grind our way through various skill trees to be able to achieve anything significant.

(all of this has been discussed and is NOT happening BTW)

Edited September 19, 2012 by Fraggle

[Red_Sky 140]

My Nightmare: CoD mentality transitioning into the standalone.

[lucid_wolf@hotmail.com 93]

Standalone should be hacker free or at least we all hope so : )

Rocket said the hacker issue is #2 on the list of importance behind bugs of course so that is a good thing. But as in life nothing is ever perfect so we'll just have to see.

Any new content will be welcomed at least by me, reading some of his and others ideas it sounds like its going to be really great!

[christopherwright_75@hotmail.co.uk 109]

1 - Pay to Win

2 - Goes all arcade shooter style

3 - Has less than 90% enterable buildings (this one really is a dealbreaker for me)

4 - Allows stupid attatchments (think bf3 blinding lasers/torches or heavy barrels added to fixed barrel weapons etc etc)

5 - Gets hacked within 12 hours of release (though this is a fact of life for any popular title)

6 - Has easy to do instantly found loot duping methods

7 - Doesnt include a repairable BMP

[aussiestig 681]

Standalone should be hacker free or at least we all hope so : )

Rocket said the hacker issue is #2 on the list of importance behind bugs of course so that is a good thing. But as in life nothing is ever perfect so we'll just have to see.

Any new content will be welcomed at least by me, reading some of his and others ideas it sounds like its going to be really great!

Getting your hopes up for no hackers will end up disappointing yourself. There will be hackers, but they won't be teleporting, insta-killing everyone, spawning in vehicles/weapons. It will be the normal hacks you see in FPS games. i.e aimbots, god mode.

Hopefully because these are really basic and lame hacks, that even hackers get bored of using, that barely anyone will use them.

[aussiestig 681]

1 - Pay to Win

2 - Goes all arcade shooter style

3 - Has less than 90% enterable buildings (this one really is a dealbreaker for me)

4 - Allows stupid attatchments (think bf3 blinding lasers/torches or heavy barrels added to fixed barrel weapons etc etc)

5 - Gets hacked within 12 hours of release (though this is a fact of life for any popular title)

6 - Has easy to do instantly found loot duping methods

7 - Doesnt include a repairable BMP

Blinding torches? I don't get this one. Has no one in their life ever looked into a torch? It fucking hurts, and you can't see. BF3 gets it right, but the distance that it blinds you from is just a little to long.

ArmA already has this aswell. Go stand infront of a car at night in game, you actually can't see anything.

[christopherwright_75@hotmail.co.uk 109]

Blinding torches? I don't get this one. Has no one in their life ever looked into a torch? It fucking hurts, and you can't see. BF3 gets it right, but the distance that it blinds you from is just a little to long.

ArmA already has this aswell. Go stand infront of a car at night in game, you actually can't see anything.

Shine a taclight at somebody outdoors on a bright sunny day or in an already well light area........you will see BF3 has it very very wrong

[Legacy (DayZ) 1091]

Just being positive but do you guys have any fears for the standlalone? dog's? hackers? content not added

I'll start the ball rolling.

Deffinition of a nightmare: the standalone is released and hackers find out how to hack it.

Nightmare begin: Rocket is caught inbetween a conflict of a terrorist and is KIA, as well as the entire sourcecode('s) for DayZ Mod and DayZ Standalone being deleted, with the entire power of 4chan and other related communities constantly DDoS'ing the website. Putting DayZ nearly out of existence besides past experiences and videos as well as Private Hives.

[Red_Sky 140]

Nightmare begin: Rocket is caught inbetween a conflict of a terrorist and is KIA, as well as the entire sourcecode('s) for DayZ Mod and DayZ Standalone being deleted, with the entire power of 4chan and other related communities constantly DDoS'ing the website. Putting DayZ nearly out of existence besides past experiences and videos as well as Private Hives.

Well, that escalated quickly.

[puppetworx 474]

I have actually dreamt about DayZ after playing late into the night, weird I know.

What if you woke up tomorrow and found that these last few months you've actually been in a coma, and that DayZ, Mountain Dew and autorun macros don't even exist in the real world?

Now that's a nightmare.

[venthos 605]

I have growing concerns about the hacking problem in standalone. I inappropriately assumed that the ARMA engine was going to have the scripting portion of it torn out, or at least essentially disabled/removed from the client, for DayZ standalone. It turns out, from one of Rocket's posts, that this is not the case. The script interpreter will persist, just they are going to lockdown the method hackers use to call upon their own custom scripts. The problem with this is that this can be (and is presently being) circumvented by not loading a script at all -- just calling the actual script functions (createVehicle, addWeapon, etc) direct in memory.

When Rocket was posed this question, that entry point was deemed a role for the anti-cheat engine to watch over. Since the current method doesn't even require a BattlEye bypass because of how it's done, this means I hope BattlEye extends its realm of protection or Rocket can get standalone on Steam fairly quickly to leverage VAC's established expertise in this area. Still, even with something like VAC, leaving that much trust in the client is still worrisome and just begs to be hacked.

While these steps will make great strides, the TLDR of this is that the current hack tool available *right now* that employs this newish method of spawning things/killing players/etc would take all of a few hours at worst to adapt for DayZ Standalone if the script functions for ARMA remain in the client executable and trusted by the server. Anti-script loading technology doesn't help in this situation where a script is never involved.

I know tearing out the script engine from the client executable would be a lot of work, so I just hope what's being done will be enough.

So, I went from having no concerns to being concerned via that thread ;)

[Dankine 377]

Just being positive but do you guys have any fears for the standlalone? dog's? hackers? content not added

I'll start the ball rolling.

Deffinition of a nightmare: the standalone is released and hackers find out how to hack it.

you're naive then. everything can be cheated in somehow. just not to the level they are able to in the mod.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Dankine

[execpro22 128]

Just being positive but do you guys have any fears for the standlalone? dog's? hackers? content not added

I'll start the ball rolling.

Deffinition of a nightmare: the standalone is released and hackers find out how to hack it.

Just to wake up all you naive babes in the woods...Counterstrike: Global Offense which was just released and is protected by Valve anti cheat 2 which is far superior to battleye was hacked the first week it came out!

Any of you thinking that the Dayz standalone=no hackers is going to be in for a big surprise. I'm not saying it will be as rampant as this mod is, but for sure it will have hackers.

The ones you see getting banned alot will be the ones using public hacks, the ones that you dont even know about are using private hacks.

It all depends how popular this standalone becomes, which will determine the amount of hackers. Hopefully they have had thier fill with this mod and dont care to buy new hacks and a new game.....

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Just to wake up all you naive babes in the woods...Counterstrike: Global Offense which was just released and is protected by Valve anti cheat 2 which is far superior to battleye was hacked the first week it came out!

Any of you thinking that the Dayz standalone=no hackers is going to be in for a big surprise. I'm not saying it will be as rampant as this mod is, but for sure it will have hackers.

The ones you see getting banned alot will be the ones using public hacks, the ones that you dont even know about are using private hacks.

It all depends how popular this standalone becomes, which will determine the amount of hackers. Hopefully they have had thier fill with this mod and dont care to buy new hacks and a new game.....

Yes, hence the deffinition of a nightmare!! I understand each point you made, no naivety involved. My post was supposed to be about things that could go wrong or not to expectation, not embelishing comments from previous post's. Some of us do understand the way things work and I for one expect people to find loopholes and abuse it (Human nature) :P

[Cronic (DayZ) 35]

Nightmare begin: Rocket is caught inbetween a conflict of a terrorist and is KIA, as well as the entire sourcecode('s) for DayZ Mod and DayZ Standalone being deleted, with the entire power of 4chan and other related communities constantly DDoS'ing the website. Putting DayZ nearly out of existence besides past experiences and videos as well as Private Hives.

Jeeze Mr. Worstcase :) Anywho, devs have seen the light due to Rocket & his undead. I think you'll see alot of wanabes in the next few years. Fear not the loss of sourcecode & all hail backups. Edited September 20, 2012 by Cronic

[joeoblong@yahoo.com 614]

Mine is that Rocket implemented all the things I hated about modern gaming. We will have our hands held the whole game.

That would be my ultimate nightmare for DayZ.

Or upon login seeing a zombie pimp named Max with a gaggle of hot zombie hookers! It would be one of those, "Noooooooooooo!" Moments in my video gaming history.

[Maniacmike (DayZ) 24]

No game is hacker free so stop kidding yaselfs.

It will get rid of alot of hacks but they will always be hackers in any game u play online.

Biggest fear would be not playing it. Lol

[97ADU Doug 103]

I have actually dreamt about DayZ after playing late into the night, weird I know.

What if you woke up tomorrow and found that these last few months you've actually been in a coma, and that DayZ, Mountain Dew and autorun macros don't even exist in the real world?

Now that's a nightmare.

I disagree. Your coma just provided you with a game genre that could possibly make you millions.

[Maniacmike (DayZ) 24]

No game is hacker free so stop kidding yaselfs.

It will get rid of alot of hacks but they will always be hackers in any game u play online.

Biggest fear would be not playing it. Lol

[ri_pou@yahoo.com 26]

My nightmare: Standalone is released and we need to collect gold coins to pay for perks. Also we'll then need to grind our way through various skill trees to be able to achieve anything significant.

(all of this has been discussed and is NOT happening BTW)

Hahaha .. am I the only one that got this reference.

I can't wait for this stand alone to come out.