AKM vs AK 74 Kobra

[Tegla (DayZ) 112]

which one would you choose for pvp and why?

disregard the ammo and how common it is

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

which one would you choose for pvp and why?

disregard the ammo and how common it is

AKM obviously? Longer range, higher power and zeroing.

Only benefit to the Kobra is the sight and noise level, neither of which make much difference in PvP.

[Napoleon Solo 10]

It's a matter of average enemy encounter distance. In towns I would use the Kobra, while I would use an AKM otherwise. I dual wield MP5 and AKM.

The AKM is deadlier. However, I wouldn't spray and pray with it.

[Cappy (DayZ) 6]

i only need a knife

[salty (DayZ) 39]

AKM for more damage, longer effective range, and zeroing.

[dallas 5195]

AKM because of 7.62mm, but would chose a 5.56mm in an AR package.

[dogsbd 12]

The AK-74 has better accuracy over greater range. I know, I own one.

The AKM may be an “7.62” cartridge but it isn’t a full size/power 7.62 like the FAL or M14 etc. It is an intermediate cartridge and it’s velocity/stopping power drops off quickly at range.

The AK-74’s 5N7 Russian issue 5.45 round has a very high muzzle velocity and a devastating effect on flesh.

There was/is a good reason that the Russian military switched from the 7.62 x 39 to the 5.45 x 39 cartridge.

[Tegla (DayZ) 112]

so basically, if there is like a 50/100m pvp with those weapons, the one holding an akm should win?

[Hawk24 94]

so basically' date=' if there is like a 50/100m pvp with those weapons, the one holding an akm should win?

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If you disregard latency and desync, yes

AKM has more punch with the 7.62 soviet

The AKM may be an “7.62” cartridge but it isn’t a full size/power 7.62 like the FAL or M14 etc. It is an intermediate cartridge and it’s velocity/stopping power drops off quickly at range.

Gee, thanks for clearing that up

I never thought 7.62 Soviet would not be the same cartridge as 7.62 NATO.........>_>

AKM deals more damage than the AK74, because the ArmA engine has pretty low damage values for 5.56/5.54

If you want to do PvP, the AKM is the better choice

[Taylor (DayZ) 7]

Even though the AKM has impressive stopping power, the sights are its downfall. Sure it can be zeroed to several hundred meters, good luck consistently hitting a human sized target passed 200. The AK74 with a Kobra will also have difficulty, but at least the sights will be more user friendly.

I've only gone PvP with the AK74 Kobra and came out on top, but would be a little hesitant with the AKM just because those sights are not good for long range shooting.

[Yammazul 0]

which one would you choose for pvp and why?

disregard the ammo and how common it is

AKM obviously? Longer range' date=' higher power and zeroing.

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It obviously wasnt obvious to him....thats probably why he asked. /facepalm

[eddie820 2]

I've had to fire bursts into players with the Kobra and even after 3 hits they are alive long enough to scan for me, then you have to shoot them a few more times to put them down.

[Yammazul 0]

I've had to fire bursts into players with the Kobra and even after 3 hits they are alive long enough to scan for me' date=' then you have to shoot them a few more times to put them down.

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Just be thankful they didnt alt+f4 on you...

[Reign19k 1]

Don't consider the weapon.

Consider the round.

5.56 is quieter, less recoil, less range, less energy transfer.

This means that 5.56 compensates for it's lack of energy transfer by placing better shot groups.

It was also intended to wound a target rather than kill it. This is because in real life you take more people out of a fight by wounding his buddy than you do killing him. An instant kill means the people around him ignore him and keep fighting. Critically wound him and his buddies have to take care of him and lose moral by hearing his screams....

7.62 is louder, more recoil, higher effective range and more energy transfer.

This means that a 7.62 round hurts more at higher ranges but generally is less accurate.

It all comes down to what range I want to fight at honestly. Even if you think you are some internet marksman. If you stand at 500 meters armed with a 5.56 and I with a 7.62, I am going to kill you faster. The only variable to choosing a round to a weapon is if that weapon can be zeroed or not. For some odd reason not all weapons in Dayz can be zeroed... So, my personal preference is take a 7.62 weapon that can be zeroed. Keep a silenced 5.56 weapon or pistol for zombies..

[Canaan (DayZ) 0]

The AKM may be an “7.62” cartridge but it isn’t a full size/power 7.62 like the FAL or M14 etc. It is an intermediate cartridge and it’s velocity/stopping power drops off quickly at range.

Gee' date=' thanks for clearing that up

I never thought 7.62 Soviet would not be the same cartridge as 7.62 NATO.........>_>[/quote']

For the record, there is barely a difference between the 7.62x54 and the 7.62x51. Most NATO guns can use the the Soviet round. Besides, it was clear to me that he was mentioning that the AKM's 7.62x39 is nothing compared to the FAL/M14's 7.62x51 or the SVD's 7.62x54.

The AKs (And most of the other guns) are about preference. Asking others will get you information about them, but you won't know which is best for you unless you try them.

I prefer the AK74 mainly because I happen to find them more often than the AKM, so I'm used to the 5.45's superior range and lack of recoil. Along with the 74's fire rate.

[Napoleon Solo 10]

You could always try to make an editor test with two AI combatants. Repeat for 1000 times, save the results, and step the range.

[zippy32 1]

Good points of view put by everyone,

I've recently spent a while with both - still playing my character with a Kobra. At the moment my money comes down slightly in favour of the Kobra.

Here's my reasons :

Every single time I've been in a firefight with another player it's always been at close-ish quarters (less than 200 metres). This means for me the quick sighting ability of the Kobra sight is a benefit.

I only use the rifle in a PvP situation, but there are usually always Zeds about. Firing the AKM in a similar situation brings FAR more Zeds to my location than firing the 5.56 AK74. Yes you still get some Zombie attention, but not as much as letting off a big old 7.62 round.

However, you do have to fire more than once to bring down your target quickly, so as a "sniper" option (i.e. lying quietly on a hillside overlooking Stary Sobors military camp) it would be preferably to use the AKM in that scenario.

Plus if you want to one-shot people in general the 7.62 will do it. I've always had to hit players a couple of times with the Kobra before they go down.

Plus ammo for the AKM is a LITTLE more prevalent, though not by much :)

But for the way I play, I think I prefer the Kobra, but only just.

[ericdude88 20]

I've only used the Kobra but I've forgone many opportunities to take the AKM simply because of its stats. People here don't seem to be taking into account noise level's effect on PvP as well as on zeds. If you shoot at someone with a high noise level gun such as the AKM, you're gonna get more zombies on your ass and that is an advantage for your opponent...

As for the damage, it should take around 2~ shots to kill an enemy player with AKM at 300m while it takes 3 shots for Kobra AK-74. Not a huge difference if you ask me, the zed alerting worries me more If I'm in a PvP situation.

[masterjts 1]

This thread is full of inaccuracies but considering it applies to a game engine some of it might be right.

The 7.62x39 has a shorter effective range than the 5.45x39. At 200m it is moving at 1890 fps with a drop of over 14". At 300m it is moving at 1664 fps with a drop of over 34".

If you compare that to the 5.45x39 (which is a lot flatter) the speed at 200m is 2340 fps and drop is ~4". At 300m the speed is 2056 and the drop is ~10".

So the 5.45 is a lot more accurate. It is also designed to kill humans where at the 7.62 is designed to penetrate hard targets. A shot from a 7.62 is less likely to kill you as the bullet will most likely pass straight through you. The 5.45 is designed to tumble on impact which creates a much larger wound channel.

I have no idea how the game handles the rounds though.

[Tegla (DayZ) 112]

I am more of a bandit person myself. I dont hunt players down, or snipe them, but wont hesitate to shoot if i see them and they dont see me. So i was looking for a better weapon amongst the two because those are the most common automatic weapons that i find.

Btw, dont get me wrong, if someone is low on blood or something, and i happen to be close by and with a friend, i will help the man out and leave him be. I dont like shooting people who are wounded or low on blood and need help. Its below my honor to betray someone like that. But, if you are healthy and skipping in the grass picking flowers, beware :D

[laszers 6]

just to go over this, the ak 74 fires a 5.45 not 5.56 with high muzzle velocity meaning it goes straight through a body, while the akm or ak 47's bullets tumble inside the body causing more internal damage. but in the end get the m14 with high muzzle velocity and a devastating 7.62x51mm.

[BaitedHook 24]

you cant shatter legs like akm. being shot by an akm is nasty.....

i actually learned to fear the enfield and akm over time...... ive been shot at by so many m4 and m16 wielders and still make it out alive with only bleeding. the enfield and akm even if they dont kill you will have a greater chance to knock you unconcious, shatter bones and send you into shock than m4 m16 variations

of course one can always just dc to avoid it all lol:D

[hhslf 0]

I don't mind using the iron sights on the AKM, actually I really love being able to zero them in. The AKM is my most used weapon because of how common the ammo is and the incredible stopping power, 15 minutes ago I knocked a guy down in a single shot from 300m, it only took 4 to make sure he was dead.

[Publik 404]

I've got a kobra and I hate the thing :/

[Tegla (DayZ) 112]

I've got a kobra and I hate the thing :/

Why?