tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) This thread was not meant to be arguing for the implementation of currency. It is a "what I would do IF currency existed". If currency were to exist, there would be a few things I would like to do with the currency. One of these is to claim land, which can then be turned into a town. Towns would have A.I. guards (the guards would have to be paid weekly) that shoot at those who were not clan members if said person started shooting up the place. I would like towns for two reasons. One, towns andtowns people would make the game have more of a community. Secondly, I would really like to start a casino in my town and gamble away all my money/items taken from other survivors/locations. It would also be cool if there was a type of town war system. Anyways, I am sure someone has already suggested something similar, but thought I would put this out there. Go ahead and expand on the idea if you want in this thread. If you do not like the idea of towns controlled by players I am sorry that you wasted your time reading this. Edited August 17, 2012 by tylahfoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcomss 189 Posted August 17, 2012 Really...are you really serious!Sorry dude but currency in game is a terrible idea...if... IF an apocalyptic event was to happen there would be no society and any that popped up would die a slow death....There are so many threads on this...do a search :)AJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mos1ey 6301 Posted August 17, 2012 Currency is worthless in an apocalypse. Supplies and weapons become currency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 Really...are you really serious!Sorry dude but currency in game is a terrible idea...if... IF an apocalyptic event was to happen there would be no society and any that popped up would die a slow death....There are so many threads on this...do a search :)AJ Your right. Primitive societies have never known how to use anything as a form of currency. Only in our modern day lives do we have a use for currency. Hell, there are no major apocalypse novels that have any form of currency used in them. There will not be people in this type of world that want to hoard and have a way to do it without spoilage (I doubt you even know who Locke is but its okay). /endsarcasm This is an IF there was currency. I don't really care for this type of input from ignorant fucks that really feel like people will just start trading items right at the beginning of the apocalypse. I am not going to take my time to give you a break down on how it would happen, but just remember this. An infection may take years to fully take over the globe. People will still try to live their lives as normally as possible while it spreads. The deterioration of what WE call currency now will be slow. People may turn back to rare metals as currency or some other item. Anyways, thanks for letting me rant. By the way, if their is no society that means everyone is a bandit. Not everyone is a bandit. If you have read Hobbes, he believes humans will always turn to something to protect them. They will give up everything for it. Society will always exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LegitOldSchool 261 Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) You cannot have currency without goverment. In a post-apocalyptic world where zombies are STILL rampant and no form of government is present, any kind of currency is useless. Bartering takes precedence, and scavenging becomes the #1 job on the planet. Edited August 17, 2012 by EchoZeero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) You cannot have currency without goverment. In a post-apocalyptic world there is no government so any kind of currency is useless. Bartering takes precedence, and scavenging becomes the #1 job on the planet.What is your definition of government? If I find and form a town of 100 survivors, we can form a government between us. Hell, our only law could be "don't kill each other". Currency would just be something that we all see equal value in. Now, in a video game this would take a lot of coordination. In a video game, you could have the Game Creator deem from his all mighty position as "God" that such and such is a currency. Governments/societies will always exist post-apocalypse as long as people continue to band together for survival. Furthermore, you cannot have government without currency. Currency can exist without a government as long as people acknowledge its value. Gold/silver or other rare metals have been noted currencies that have have been around for many different government changes. Edited August 17, 2012 by tylahfoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bukethead 96 Posted August 17, 2012 It would look like this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 By the way, I am completely okay with the idea of bullets being a form of currency. This thread was not an argument for what type of currency would be used. It is just stupid that people truly believe currency would just disappear after human history has shown us otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bukethead 96 Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) By the way, I am completely okay with the idea of bullets being a form of currency. This thread was not an argument for what type of currency would be used. It is just stupid that people truly believe currency would just disappear after human history has shown us otherwise.The need to trade does not disappear, but any currency backed by an economy rather than a precious metal (which is most now a days) are worthless if the economy collapses, which would be the case in a zombie apocalypse.This is why gold, silver and other precious metals hold their value however in this dire of a circumstance, no one in their right mind would trade you a bottle of water for a gold coin.You have to realize a failure of society and civilization means a giant step backwards into time, one circumstance of which is a return to the barter system. Edited August 17, 2012 by Bukethead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kerwyn 77 Posted August 17, 2012 There already is currency in the game, bullets, food, medical supplies. These are the currencies of the apocalypse, because printed money doesn't keep you warm, fed and alive in the end of the world. In modern society, we have placed a value upon things that have no practical use. When our comfortable lives get stripped from us, and we must survive with our own two hands, suddenly a slip of paper with some ink on it is worth nothing, a gold coin, unless you have a specific use for the gold, is just a chunk of metal too soft to be any good elsewhere. However a box of rations will feed a family for a month, longer if they don't like their kids too much. A gun allows you to hunt for your own food, and to defend yourself from those who would prey upon the weak, but not before you get ammunition for it.There is no need for such frivolous things like money in DayZ, because the world already has it's own currency, just take a look at the "Want to Trade" posts on this very forum if you don't believe me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 The need to trade does not disappear, but any currency backed by an economy rather than a precious metal (which is most now a days) are worthless if the economy collapses, which would be the case in a zombie apocalypse.This is why gold, silver and other precious metals hold their value however in this dire of a circumstance, no one in their right mind would trade you a bottle of water for a gold coin.You have to realize a failure of society and civilization means a giant step backwards into time.If I had say 300 water bottles, I would trade a water bottle for a gold coin. Why? This will would allow me to carry more goods on my travels in exchange for something that does not spoil. After all, that water is not going to stay good forever and I can only drink so much. I could then use the coins in further trades with other traders that want to get rid of their goods that have a spoilage factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wo3dy 111 Posted August 17, 2012 DayZ wouldnt be DayZ, if it was with Currency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bukethead 96 Posted August 17, 2012 If I had say 300 water bottles, I would trade a water bottle for a gold coin. Why? This will would allow me to carry more goods on my travels in exchange for something that does not spoil. After all, that water is not going to stay good forever and I can only drink so much. I could then use the coins in further trades with other traders that want to get rid of their goods that have a spoilage factor.Currency is faith based as I said. Even gold is only worth what someone will trade for it, and I'm sorry but in a circumstance like this, no one I know would in their right mind trade you something that could sustain/preserve life for a piece of metal that's absolutely useless. What can you do with a gold coin besides sell it?You're thinking something along the lines of it's worth being restored once civilization resumes, the thing is not everyone is looking that far ahead, they're more worried about the basic human needs that get them through the day to day troubles of life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZlobaRUS54 441 Posted August 17, 2012 Without organized government backing the currency it will be something useful on it's own, in this game my bet is on STANAG rounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mos1ey 6301 Posted August 17, 2012 If I had say 300 water bottles, I would trade a water bottle for a gold coin. Why? This will would allow me to carry more goods on my travels in exchange for something that does not spoil. After all, that water is not going to stay good forever and I can only drink so much. I could then use the coins in further trades with other traders that want to get rid of their goods that have a spoilage factor.You're missing the point...That gold coin is completely worthless in a post-apocalyptic society, I'd rather have the water bottle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bukethead 96 Posted August 17, 2012 Without organized government backing the currency it will be something useful on it's own, in this game my bet is on STANAG rounds.But how? What can a lone person possibly do with gold? If you were skilled in metal working, you could melt it down, and form it into bullets which seems ridiculous now but considering the circumstance, it's not that bad of an idea. However most people don't possess the skills or want to learn such things.We're speaking of barter items that have value in itself, such as ammo, water, food, etc. How does gold/silver/etc rank up with these in terms of immediate usefulness? That's what's important in a situation like this.Also I found this hilarious, I wonder if these guys are serious: http://apocalypticammunition.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcomss 189 Posted August 17, 2012 Your right. Primitive societies have never known how to use anything as a form of currency. Only in our modern day lives do we have a use for currency. Hell, there are no major apocalypse novels that have any form of currency used in them. There will not be people in this type of world that want to hoard and have a way to do it without spoilage (I doubt you even know who Locke is but its okay). /endsarcasm This is an IF there was currency. I don't really care for this type of input from ignorant fucks that really feel like people will just start trading items right at the beginning of the apocalypse. I am not going to take my time to give you a break down on how it would happen, but just remember this. An infection may take years to fully take over the globe. People will still try to live their lives as normally as possible while it spreads. The deterioration of what WE call currency now will be slow. People may turn back to rare metals as currency or some other item. Anyways, thanks for letting me rant. By the way, if their is no society that means everyone is a bandit. Not everyone is a bandit. If you have read Hobbes, he believes humans will always turn to something to protect them. They will give up everything for it. Society will always exist.Dont see how I came of ignorant there, sorry if I did... You are now adding more variable into an statement which you initially set up as an open question... you should add then to your post what time scales you think things would take place over...As"Buckethead" has so nicely shown us...currency wouldnt be a material thing...it would be whoever has the most guns and the supply of water "Book of Eli" for example And I never said will just start trading items right at the beginning of the apocalypse I dont think trade would come into things for a good couple years after an Apocalypse for things such as water food.Taking again from Book of Eli, if something was ever to be created that resemble a society, anyone not in that society would be seen as an outsider and an aggressor... Bandit is a loose term... If I shoot you to protect my group I am essentially a Bandit...but in the eyes of my group I am a hero...you could of threatened me and my group and we took measures to ensure its safety? I dont think Gold/silver used in the primitive civilisations is a valid point as an apocalypse wasn't what they were dealing with...All in all DayZ would fail if any currency was added....Again sorry if I sounded like a dick...no need to swear ;pAnd please enlighten me to "Locke" and "Hobbes" AJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tylahfoo 10 Posted August 17, 2012 Currency is faith based as I said. Even gold is only worth what someone will trade for it, and I'm sorry but in a circumstance like this, no one I know would in their right mind trade you something that could sustain/preserve life for a piece of metal that's absolutely useless. What can you do with a gold coin besides sell it?You're thinking something along the lines of it's worth being restored once civilization resumes, the thing is not everyone is looking that far ahead, they're more worried about the basic human needs that get them through the day to day troubles of life. Not at all, simply that their is only so much of something a person truly needs before it spoils. If you want to hoard, the easiest way is through precious metals/bullets/idc what. Food/water/etc are harder to protect and some of these items spoil. Eh, I am not going to get my point across when spoilage does not even exist in the game. Backpack space exists, but it would take longer to make an argument for this. Good night all. I throw in my hat. I think I have been brainwashed from my years of studying history/philosophy/sociology that currency has always found its way into every society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SumoS 168 Posted August 17, 2012 If they implement currency it will eventually turn into a micro-transaction. Mark my words! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcomss 189 Posted August 17, 2012 If I had say 300 water bottles, I would trade a water bottle for a gold coin. Why? This will would allow me to carry more goods on my travels in exchange for something that does not spoil. After all, that water is not going to stay good forever and I can only drink so much. I could then use the coins in further trades with other traders that want to get rid of their goods that have a spoilage factor.This comes down to what each person see's the gold coin is worth...to me in modern day sure...gimme that coin and I will sell it for a hefty profit... in an apocalypse to me it is worthless and would rather have the bottles of water as I am sure if I came across another survivor...throwing a gold coin at him wont get me very fair...where as offering to share my water will gain trust... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozjace 35 Posted August 17, 2012 Can i get a receipt with those beans? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maclawa 10 Posted August 17, 2012 Beans/Ammo are currency :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
