Dayz = PvP

[SillySil 295]

Where did I say I could gear up faster? Did you take something I said out of context?

You didn't say you gear up faster. I kept saying that KoS is the most efficient way of getting loot and you kept talking about survivalist strategy

"Survivalist strategy: Finding the most reliable and efficient means by which to survive the longest. #1 on the list of priorities for me is to avoid conflict with deadly weapons, as they may cause death, ending said survival attempt."

And you said it's most efficient. Killing someone the moment you see them, gets rid of a potential threat because you don't know what they're going to do once they spot you, plus you might get something from him (like morphine) that will save you from going to a hotspot and risking your life there.

I did say that finding an AK and some hunting supplies was easier or at least equally as fast as finding a sniper rifle.

But once you kill someone who's already equipped you save yourself from going to deerstands/military camps, hospital and houses for tools. Looking for things yourself might be faster than looking for someone to kill but you can do both things at the same time.

If you go by spawn percentages at all, my logic makes sense in that regard.

No, spawn percentages are all gone. The supposedly rarest things are the most common. Everybody has as50/thermo and nvg.

I swear to you, I care NOT for how long it takes me to gear up, this was your concern alone.

Well then you have a lot of time to play and you have fun running for miles to search deerstands. I'd rather avoid all that running by killing and looting.

Your obsession with efficiency either means your German (I'll be visiting family there soon), or possibly the least fun person to play games with on the planet. /enter jokes

What? So you don't choose the most suitable gun, strategy, build for the job? How's that a bad thing? Or why would I be the least fun person to play games with because of that?

By the way haven't you been looking for the most efficient way of surviving yourself?

Seriously, I feel I've explained my viewpoint on this subject fairly clearly, and my first post was a point of pride in accomplishment without being "evil". Not some attempt at hipsterism. And as a former tournament level gamer (in other genres, not FPS), I have great respect for all gaming skill, but I save my praise for those who can be humble about it.

Pride of accomplishment from doing things in the less popular way. Hipster.

[Borys of Ebe 6]

PvP is a vital part of this game as most of the tension comes from fear of other players especially considering most of the shallow end of the gamer pool probably isn't playing this game yet. However, I have to say that all the coolest Day Z stories come from survivors. Dr Wasteland and the Freeside Trading company spring to mind. Camping a high traffic area is obvioulsy efficient but whatever quite frankly. Good for you bro if you kill me. As to the shoot on sight, I've let any number of people go on their way. There is enough stuff out there for everyone. This is really the closest thing to a survival simulator that we've seen so far and how you play the game says a lot about you...

[PoisonedAl 128]

28 days (later arf arf). 1 Murder. 195 zed kills.

I play DayZ like a stealth game. I see you, but you don't see me! I COULD kill you, but that would only attract attention to myself.

[kander 80]

Here's a sandbox mod with enough complex mechanics to roleplay at survival. Guns are part of this experience, but to use the engine just to entertain yourself treating it as a murder simulator is far too restrictive a playstyle for me to be able to fathom.

Don't get me wrong - I get that conflict is fun. If I were in this situation for real I would of course get the biggest rush from trying to defend myself and my stuff from bandits*. But if you go looking for trouble you tend to find it, which runs counter to the idea of survival somewhat.

* I would add and murderers but IRL would almost certainly not have any true murderers in the same way as DayZ. Genuine permadeath would tend to put them off. Also, I have yet to find an invincibility hack yet, though I understand that alchemists are working on it. I'd love to see some of these kids in a genuine survival situation. Actually I'm a big softie so I would probably feel sorry for them. This would be even before you include weapons and zombies for them to deal with... When your in-game lifespan would clearly exceed your real-life equivalent you know you're in trouble...

Edited August 21, 2012 by kander

[ironman Tetsuo 181]

I've been playing DayZ happily for 10 weeks, in that time I have shot and killed only one other player and only then because he spawned on top of our group and shot dead my two buddies. In contrast to this, I have taken many new spawns under my wing, helped them out, armed them up and then sent them off on their way. I never shoot first even after being killed many times. To me the attraction of the game is the constant pull of PvP and being strong enough to resist it.

I don't mind bandits, I don't mind those that lack the imagination to see DayZ as anything more than PvP, but I do mind being told that EVERYONE is a bandit and that NO-ONE plays for anything other than PvP. Sure speak for yourself but you don't represent me and you don't represent many of the million+ accounts playing so don't pretend you know all there is when all you have is your own anecdotal experiences.

[Kurziraden 2]

So you're creative killing 400 no challenge, no reward, glitched zombies? Your only accomplishment in this is spending hours to get so much ammo. Shooting zombies is as valuable as shooting the sky.

And people do what benefits them the most. Right now killing people is the only challenge in this game and also the best way of surviving and getting loot. Don't blame the people, blame the mechanics. If killing players wouldn't be rewarding then people wouldn't do it.

This quote reply was full of fail. Why? Cause its a game. Theres so many problems with what I just said, right? It is a game. BUT.. With so many "Oh its for realism" "Realistic" "omgso R3@!Z" out there, Heres the fail of THAT reply... In REALITY(of the game) Shooting zombies = liberating Humanity from a zombie apocolypse, YEAH sure, its a game, and this isn't reality, but its striving to be. I'm sure sooner or later there will be Dayz GAME modes where There will be an accomplishable goal, Some like 10000-5,000,000 zombies ONLY in a map spawn list and sooner or later, You'll kill the last one after weeks of Terror and surviving... Sounds like a better Zombie game to me at anyrate. Sure. Though. This game doesn't have an end, it goes forever, just like COD and other FPS games you RESPAWN and cant chat to everyone, yet people will just play with teamspeak or skype anyway. Might as well just add global chat back in.

[Ballistixz 12]

the only reason this game is so heavily pvp based is because there are to many safe zones. there is litterally 0 zombies out in open areas and forest/wooded areas. this allows ppl to camp spots like the famous hill at elektro.

zombies are also unable to climb ladders which provides even more safe havens to snipe from like on top of factories/ other tall buildings.

make zombies more aggressive, especially when high powered weapons are fired. this will get rid of camping and other bull shit pvp tactics. humans are not the only threat nor should they be the main threat. this is a zombie survival sim so the main threat should always be the zombies. zombies that have taken out entire military bases but cant stand up to a idiot that bunkers down on top of a hospital with a enfield and makarov and snipes every non zombie that enters apartments?

hopefully the standalone will fix and buff zombies and make the game actually scary again. right now shooting zombies is a complete waste of ammo since u can lose them by simply running inside a building and going out the back door.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Ballistixz 12]

28 days (later arf arf). 1 Murder. 195 zed kills.

I play DayZ like a stealth game. I see you, but you don't see me! I COULD kill you, but that would only attract attention to myself.

no it wouldnt if u know how to actually play the game. shooting from a rooftop or shooting from a hill/forest area will not draw attention from any kind of zombie. u are 100% safe except from other players, hence pvp. and if ur sniping from over 1000 km away then chances are the ppl u are shooting at will not hear u at all from that distance. they may hear the bullets hitting a wall if u miss, but they wont hear the actual shot let alone know where it is coming from.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Ballistixz

[charley-taylor@hotmail.co.uk 39]

It all depends on your playing style, if you want to survive you need to build a bigger team, more people more zombies dead and people to watch your back.

If your a noob looking for friendlys, go hide in cherno or elektro make sure u have a gun and talk over direct comm.

If you want to survive the zombie Apocalypse and your only chances of getting food or water is killing someone then do so. if someone appears a threat, shoot them!

[Violence 1]

Dayz is based on PVP? Dafaq? You're confusing this game with CoD. Go play that, will be better for you and for us.

[Sula 1205]

I don't understand why people complain...it's an open world, full loot game with guns...not sure what people expected, happy joy bunnies and unicorns maybe?

Even if they did add other shit like objectives, crafting, safe zones, whatever...the core will always be PVP, end of story.

Perhaps they expected what happened in New Zealand when the game was first tested? People didn't PvP, they got together in communities and helped each other to fight zombies. It was only when they let in the Russians and Europeans that PvPing started. So PvPing is not inevitable, and options for game play are wider than just those that you personally are able to imagine.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Sula

[Sneakers O'Toole 57]

Perhaps they expected what happened in New Zealand when the game was first tested? People didn't PvP, they got together in communities and helped each other to fight zombies. It was only when they let in the Russians and Europeans that PvPing started. So PvPing is not inevitable, and options for game play are wider than just those that you personally are able to imagine.

Whatta bunch of kack.

If you want friendly group zombie killing, go play LfD2. This game is about play however the fuck you want. The best posssible opponent in any game is other people. There is no exception to this anywhere. That is why most of the people who play this pvp. Deal with it.

Lol, what kind of fucktard needs help killing zombies. I kill 80 per clip with my Mod 0.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Hyp3r

[Osaka (DayZ) 32]

I agree with most people here.

The game isn't just PvP, it's PvE where "E" stands for Everything.

Even the rain can kill you. It's just you against everything you encounter.

All I miss now is agressive wildlife. just when you enjoy your hard earned beans in the middle of the forest, I want hungry bears to watch out for.

Trust nothing, even the nature is plotting your demise.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

So you're creative killing 400 no challenge, no reward, glitched zombies? Your only accomplishment in this is spending hours to get so much ammo. Shooting zombies is as valuable as shooting the sky.

And people do what benefits them the most. Right now killing people is the only challenge in this game and also the best way of surviving and getting loot. Don't blame the people, blame the mechanics. If killing players wouldn't be rewarding then people wouldn't do it.

Killing players is an "accomplishment" - that's the most stupid thing I've read today on here. I also thought the challenge on this game was to scour the map looking for loot to help you survive. If that isn't what u like doing, and all u care about is shotting other players and you can't see any other value in the game than that then ur playing the wrong game.

[jukaga 271]

Long story short, last night i found myself on a very friendly private server with global chat enabled and most people were not looking for a fight. In 2 hours i was fully geared and ready to rumble until i realised, nobody wanted to rumble and i was pretty damn safe even down south. I then proceded to disconnect since the game absolutely blows in the PVE aspect and returned to my main HIVE character where i was actually scared to leave the woods because of all the psychos out there trying to kill me.

In conclusion this game would be horribly boring and i personally would not give it the time of day without the heavy PVP focus and constant danger of death from players.

You should have started hunting them and you would be the infamous bandit murderer in Elektro on side chat. You missed out being the big fish there man.

[Powell (DayZ) 734]

Day 42, 500+ zombie kills, 0 murders/bandit kills. I think I'm doing alright with my tetris

[Jamz 253]

Whatta bunch of kack.

If you want friendly group zombie killing, go play LfD2. This game is about play however the fuck you want. The best posssible opponent in any game is other people. There is no exception to this anywhere. That is why most of the people who play this pvp. Deal with it.

Lol, what kind of fucktard needs help killing zombies. I kill 80 per clip with my Mod 0.

That sentence is illogical, you contradict yourself. Also you misunderstand Sula's post, he says PVP is not inevitable which is true, its just that many players now choose that way to play.

Usually if human beings don't understand something they eventually turn to destruction.

[Sula 1205]

I see the under age player disagrees with me by stating the same arguement I put forward, except I used whole sentences. Yes, Dayz is more than one player's tiny mind can imagine. It's whatever we want it to be. And if you're 11 year olds who shouldn't be playing the over 18 years game, then it's going to something very different to you than it is to older players.

Thank you, Jamz (though I'm a woman by the way). :thumbsup:

Edited, as I was a bit mean and should know better.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Sula

[chodeofwar 145]

NOTHING GETS YOUR HEART RACING LIKE SOME QUALITY PvP.

Playing on empty servers and and getting lots of zombie kills is only for people are not very good at arma 2.

After hours of walking through the bush NOTHING makes you sit up and pay attention like glimpsing a ghillie suit slipping throught the trees to your left.

Killing zombies is fun and i love the survival aspects of the game but it doesnt get me hard like stalking a couple of ghillies at NWA.

[Sneakers O'Toole 57]

That sentence is illogical, you contradict yourself. Also you misunderstand Sula's post, he says PVP is not inevitable which is true, its just that many players now choose that way to play.

It is neither illogical, nor is there any contradiction, I simply assumed that this person prefers not to pvp. I add the word 'just' and your point is non-existant.

If you JUST want friendly group zombie killing, go play LfD2. This game is about play however the fuck you want.

Of course pvp is inevitable. That is PRECISELY what it is. Arma 2 is a pvp game, DayZ is a pvp game in the setting of a Zombie apocalypse, with survival elements. PVP IS INEVITABLE.

Maybe you haven't noticed that there is absolutely no single player element whatsoever? Why is that? Because it is a multiplayer game. It is not the only rthing to do, but IT IS INEVITABLE, and also unbiquitous.

Usually if human beings don't understand something they eventually turn to destruction.

So I take it you destroy things on a daily basis, knowing as you do, nothing whatsoever about 11-dimensional mathematics as defined in M-theory? And nothing about almost everything. That sentence I am quoting from you is complete nonsense.

I see the under age player disagrees with me

Under age for what?

Yes, Dayz is more than one player's tiny mind can imagine.

lol, I can imagine an eternally inflating multiverse, with 10^500 collapses of the inflaton field (ie universes). You clearly have very limited scope for independent thought and the contemplation of things larger in scope than a computer game. Idiot.

And if you're 11 year olds who shouldn't be playing the over 18 years game, then it's going to something very different to you than it is to older players.

Lol, I am 36 years old. What is your point again?

[DemonGroover 8836]

I have very rarely had a true PvP experience.

I have been sniped at and killed numerous times but the moment a gunfight begins the Big Brave Bandit Alt-F4's. Just about every single fucking time.

So if you want PvP, sure, bring it on, just do me the courtesy of staying in the fight, pussies.

[Jamz 253]

Hyp3r, for someone who obviously considers themselves to be intelligent I'm suprised You play the game at such a base level. Of course PvP exists in the game, but you can choose wether or not to and still play the game (ie medics/scavengers etc). If you consider non PvP to be avoiding all human contact in game then you can do this too and there is still a game there, its just a different experience. PvP is part of DayZ but its not essential for everyone to actively take part in it to get an exciting gaming experience, hence not inevitable. And its only unbiquitous in the sense that it could POTENTIALLY happen anywhere anytime. I agree it exists and is part of the game, but it is not the sole focus of it.

I'm suprised you're 36 from your posts.

[root 48]

I do PVP just in self defense. For example:

I was on Lingor with my friend next to radio tower close to Victorim city. We heard gunshoots and saw somebody crawling in the middle of the city. He was crawling for some time from building to building and we had clear shoot with AS50 but instead of shooting we asked in global chat what hes up to. He said that he got broken legs and looking for morphine (he was new spawn). We told him that we have some spare morphine and we will give it to him.

Suddenly my friend sees someone behind us, after making sure that's not me he killed him. Most probably the killed guy was trying to sneak on us (as we chatted in public chat) with intention to kill us.

Then we placed morphine on that dead player and told the location of the body to the guy crawling in the city looking for morphine. We made sure that he got there, and he as well picked up nice loot from that dead player we shoot.

TLDR; I don't do PVP unless necessary.

root

[nightfire223 0]

It is neither illogical, nor is there any contradiction, I simply assumed that this person prefers not to pvp. I add the word 'just' and your point is non-existant.

If you JUST want friendly group zombie killing, go play LfD2. This game is about play however the fuck you want.

Of course pvp is inevitable. That is PRECISELY what it is. Arma 2 is a pvp game, DayZ is a pvp game in the setting of a Zombie apocalypse, with survival elements. PVP IS INEVITABLE.

Maybe you haven't noticed that there is absolutely no single player element whatsoever? Why is that? Because it is a multiplayer game. It is not the only rthing to do, but IT IS INEVITABLE, and also unbiquitous.

So I take it you destroy things on a daily basis, knowing as you do, nothing whatsoever about 11-dimensional mathematics as defined in M-theory? And nothing about almost everything. That sentence I am quoting from you is complete nonsense.

Under age for what?

lol, I can imagine an eternally inflating multiverse, with 10^500 collapses of the inflaton field (ie universes). You clearly have very limited scope for independent thought and the contemplation of things larger in scope than a computer game. Idiot.

Lol, I am 36 years old. What is your point again?

you used "i.e" wrong and sumone with said credentials wouldn't point them out lol

[challe 7]

Dayz is based on PVP? Dafaq? You're confusing this game with CoD. Go play that, will be better for you and for us.

you might like it if he did, but don´t think he will like it. In CoD there are 100% PVP all are running around just to find and kill you. In dayZ you can run around killing people that are not looking for PvP. Much esier. Not his game...