Stabbing people with the hunting knife

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

Do you think you should be able to attack with the hunting knife? Things to consider:

1. Its range would be 1-2 meters, because a knife doesn't have much range.

2. Since it is only a knife, it would likely be equipped as a secondary weapon.

3. It would take several hits to kill a zombie/player, because it's stabbing/slicing, not a chopping-in-half motion like the hatchet.

4. 3rd melee weapon (hatchet, crowbar, knife)

5. You can headshot with it (FACE STAB)

BONUS: Should you be able to throw it? You would use the grenade/flare/chemlight/tin can animation, but throw a knife. Kills zombies with a headshot, K-Os players with a headshot. Body shot damages/kills a zombie (your pick), damages player. Don't expect it to be accurate; I'm pretty sure that not everybody knows how to throw a knife and kill someone with it on the first try.

Maybe this should be in standalone. ArmA 2's hit detection is kind of whack.

Personally, I would love to find a sniper and stab them in their face.

Feel free to pitch any other ideas.

Edited August 9, 2012 by omgwtfbbq

[random51 172]

No, lol.

Collision detection is horrible in arma2/RV3. Maybe it isn't in RV4 and they can consider this for the standalone.

[W1Z22 33]

in standalone yes

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

No, lol.

Collision detection is horrible in arma2/RV3. Maybe it isn't in RV4 and they can consider this for the standalone.

Thread has been edited appropriately.

[lye_ex@web.de 1]

Yes for standalone. In addition maybe a oneshot-assassination and animation while attacking from behind.

["Lost" Alice 205]

I personally want everything to be a weapon,

Zombie lumbering at me? TABLE LAMP TO THE FACE!!!!

Bandit hunting me down? Why can't I combine my whiskey bottle,

matches and bandages to make a molotov cocktail!?

So I am all for this idea.

Edited August 13, 2012 by "Lost" Alice

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

I personally want everything to be a weapon,

Zombie lumbering at me? TABLE LAMP TO THE FACE!!!!

Bandit hunting me down? Why can't I combine my whiskey bottle,

matches and bandages to make a molotov cocktail!?

So I am all for this idea,

I want to bludgeon someone with a spoon

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

Now that I think about it, it would also be one of the best secondaries, if you're stealthy enough. You could clear out cities with the knife if you approach zombies carefully.

Edited August 9, 2012 by omgwtfbbq

[The Batman 75]

I've wondered for ages why the hatchet was made a weapon, and the crowbar added without adding the same function to the knife so I'm for this idea. I agree with a battlefield-style assassination animation, but only from behind. It would make for some terrifying experiences when wandering through the forest at night and your buddy drops dead with a slice in his throat. Obviously this should be for stand-alone but I see no reason why we couldn't just have the knife as a weapon for now. We have that hatchet/crowbar after all.

[zombiejun 13]

i do not think so, though i have been thinking about how to use the knife as well:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/63335-hunting-knife-able-to-finish-unconcious-players/

[zombiejun 13]

I personally want everything to be a weapon,

Zombie lumbering at me? TABLE LAMP TO THE FACE!!!!

Bandit hunting me down? Why can't I combine my whiskey bottle,

matches and bandages to make a molotov cocktail!?

So I am all for this idea,

You can't do this because you have aparently no gasoline ;)

[Deetwo 69]

I personally want everything to be a weapon,

Zombie lumbering at me? TABLE LAMP TO THE FACE!!!!

Bandit hunting me down? Why can't I combine my whiskey bottle,

matches and bandages to make a molotov cocktail!?

So I am all for this idea,

Better yet, fill the bottle with water and you've got yourself a makeshift mace.

[indominator 95]

well, its very painfull, to it would pratically be a certain kill weapon at close range

maybe when equiped a holster we can implent a way to hold both the knive and a pistol at the same time

Edited August 9, 2012 by indominator

[xximrtwoixx 104]

Does anyone ask themselves why melee weapons or melee combat itself is not present in RV engine?

It's because it has been created to assist with training soldiers for combat, and you should never seek to engage in melee combat. Range is a huge tactical advantage, going into melee combat throws away your advantage and exposes you to injury. A silenced weapon coupled with range > knife to throat, there is less risk. The image of a SF soldier knifing a sentry is complete BS fabricated for movies.

In DayZ people are desperate and unarmed thus improvised weapons or melee weapons should have a small place I think. They should be an afterthought though, as they would/should only be used until you find a gun. Just as a handgun is *really* only used to kill/defend until a rifle is aquired/functional.

The second point to consider with melee combat in DayZ is that the infected feel no pain, emotion, and do not care about their own survival. This would greatly increase their effectiveness even unarmed against an opponent in hand to hand combat. You would basically have to kill one with one attack in the .5 seconds that they are within range before they reach you, not only are most weapons incapable of this, but virtually no one is trained in a martial art that is designed to do this. If this were 1200AD maybe, but its not, so the training and weapons required to fight this way are non existent.

If melee combat is outside the functionality of RV or whatever engine is used then it should be scrapped, it should be one of the last things on the priority list.

Normal people survive being stabbed more than a dozen times, what do you think your going to do to an infected with a knife?

Why is melee combat in every FPS an instant kill, its because if it wasn't you would be toasted by the guy with the gun. Incorporating grappling (The only situation where a knife may be handy) would be a waste of resources/Dev time IMO so I say no to knife combat.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

I think the COSLX mod includes a knife which works the same way as the axe/crowbar.

It works very well in Arma.

I use it in SP DAYZ. Very useful.

I dont see why not to include it, i mean we have zombies in game and the last time i looked they're not very realistic.

However, the RV engine isnt really suited to melee as is evident by the hatchet and crowbar. So don't expect miracles.

Rgds

LoK

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

maybe when equiped a holster we can implent a way to hold both the knive and a pistol at the same time

This isn't Call of Duty.

Edited August 9, 2012 by omgwtfbbq

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

Hello there

I think the COSLX mod includes a knife which works the same way as the axe/crowbar.

It works very well in Arma.

I use it in SP DAYZ. Very useful.

I dont see why not to include it, i mean we have zombies in game and the last time i looked they're not very realistic.

However, the RV engine isnt really suited to melee as is evident by the hatchet and crowbar. So don't expect miracles.

Rgds

LoK

Single player DayZ?

[koze 113]

why is everyone going nuts over the hunting knife? the hatchet is good enough.

[xximrtwoixx 104]

This isn't Call of Duty.

Your the one who wants a knife to attack infected that would live through multiple stab wounds, yet you think you could "clear out" a whole town; and your making fun of someone that wants a COD feature.....

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

Your the one who wants a knife to attack infected that would live through multiple stab wounds, yet you think you could "clear out" a whole town; and your making fun of someone that wants a COD feature.....

*you're and why is it nonsensical to you to be able to use a KNIFE to attack? And if I wanted it to be like Call of Duty, like you falsely claim I do, then the knife would insta-kill everybody and everything. You are wrong. *you're again. Learn to grammar.

Edited August 10, 2012 by omgwtfbbq

[xximrtwoixx 104]

grammar attacks 4tw...

So *your* cool with the knife being implemented *were* it takes 20 plus attacks too take down a Z/Player?

no..

yea you want COD

Edited August 10, 2012 by xXI Mr Two IXx

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

grammar attacks 4tw...

So *your* cool with the knife being implemented *were* it takes 20 plus attacks too take down a Z/Player?

no..

yea you want COD

*you're *where *to

And why does it make sense to you to have a knife that you can't use to attack people with? Since when can you not attack someone with a knife?

[xximrtwoixx 104]

So you agree that you want COD??

Or are you cool with having a knife that does "authentic"/"realisitic" damage?

If you agree that it would be a complete shit weapon and nearly useless then why do you want it in the game? It would be a waste of DEV time and resources.

It's not that you couldn't attack someone with a knife, I'm saying it wouldn't matter if you could/did attack them so why would you go through the trouble of implementing it.

So you and others can bitch that the knife isn't strong enough?

No thanks, just leave it out now rather than end up with way more complaints or even worse an insta kill weapon that works 100% against anything you can touch. Who needs bullets everyone's an epic ninja right...

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

So you agree that you want COD??

God, you're fucking retarded.

[mort095f 3]

Yes!

Add this now rocket :)